Would God give us an indication when Satan is chained?

[Linda8]

It is a very good point. As the arch deciever, Satan will go to any lengths to appear to us as something we should draw close to. As we evolve, Satan must learn more about us must get better and better at disguising himself as a 'lamb' !

It makes you wonder just what apparantly innocent and nice things that have happened in the past, things that maybe the repercussions hav'nt caught up with yet, were actually the work of Satan ?

best wishes

memes

Satan has never been able to teach the gospel .

This concept of Satan running around ssaying He is Jesus is a false idea.
He can act as a deceptive angel of light BUT HE CANNOT BE HOLY and teach the Gospel of God and Christ.

See Genesis 3:1-3, Satan could not teach the Gospel of God.

Satan will use the existing churches to deceive, for no one can imitate Christ directly BUT PEOPLE CAN CLAIM to be preachers and deceive.

Christ's mode of operation involves too much truth and holiness for any so called cherub to imitate.

Satan thrives in corrupt environs.

Christ strikes fear in the hearts of the evil, liars, prejudiced etc.

Satan is very much at home with the oppresors, the fornicators, the greedy etc.

Christ never gives such people comfort for He stahds for verymuch the opposite to human carnal desires.

So Satan cannnot imitate Christ, he can only deceive the carnal or deceive

false Christians through false churches.

It is an abomination to Christ, to insinuate that Satan can imitate him.

Satan cannot teach Christ's gospel... and without that He cannot imitate Christ. It is not just about cherublike appearance and fire from the skies.

It requires far more than that to imitate Christ.

 

[RVincent]

I agree with you Linda, concerning when Satan's tribulation begins.

And of course nobody can copy Christ perfectly.

But consider these cheap imitations Satan makes:

Rock (Deu. 32:31)

God: Deu. 32:4, 15, 18, 30.

Satan: Ezek. 28 (Tyrus = rock, Heb. Tsor).​

Morning Star

Christ: Rev. 22:16

Satan: Isa. 14​

Light

Christ: John 8:12; 9:5.

Satan: 2 Cor. 11:14​

Rider on a White Horse

Christ: Rev. 19:11

Satan: Rev. 6:1-2​

Lamb

Christ: John 1:29, 36. Rev. 5.

Satan: Rev. 13:11.​

Branch

Christ: Zech. 6:12; 9:9. Isa. 40:9; 42:1.

Satan: Isa. 14:19​

 

[Linda8]

I agree with you Linda, concerning when Satan's tribulation begins.

And of course nobody can copy Christ perfectly.

But consider these cheap imitations Satan makes:

Rock (Deu. 32:31)

God: Deu. 32:4, 15, 18, 30.


Satan: Ezek. 28 (Tyrus = rock, Heb. Tsor).
​

Morning Star

Christ: Rev. 22:16


Satan: Isa. 14
​

Light

Christ: John 8:12; 9:5.


Satan: 2 Cor. 11:14
​

Rider on a White Horse

Christ: Rev. 19:11


Satan: Rev. 6:1-2
​

Lamb

Christ: John 1:29, 36. Rev. 5.


Satan: Rev. 13:11.
​

Branch

Christ: Zech. 6:12; 9:9. Isa. 40:9; 42:1.


Satan: Isa. 14:19
​

A note on Satan in Rev 13
Satan: Rev. 13:11.
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed .

Satan's mode involves KILLING..... now how on earth could people CONFUSE

the murderous SATAN with Christ?

I agree that His attempts to imitate Christ are so poor it fails the tests.

 

[RVincent]

Killed how, Linda8?

(Luke 21:18-19) But there shall not an hair of your head perish. {19} In your patience possess ye your souls.

Satan wants souls.

When the three Hebrew children would not bow to the image of the beast, they were cast into a fiery furnace:

(Dan 3:27) And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Ordering someone's death and actually doing it are two different things.

In his attempt to imitate Christ, Satan will probably say, "If you do not worship me, you will perish in the lake of fire."

 

[Linda8]

Killed how, Linda8?

(Luke 21:18-19) But there shall not an hair of your head perish. {19} In your patience possess ye your souls.

Satan wants souls.

When the three Hebrew children would not bow to the image of the beast, they were cast into a fiery furnace:

(Dan 3:27) And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Ordering someone's death and actually doing it are two different things.

Killed how,?? That is clearly written in Rev 13:11-18

You did not read the entire quote you made from Revelation 13:11. Taking partial quotes tends to limit the message.

Let us start from Rev 13:11..
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Now we see this beast rising up and coming to action.

Next verses

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The BEAST does wonders and deceives BUT THAT IS NOT ALL

Rev13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


That is how Satan exerts His influence during tribulation in Rev 13 and why would you disagree with this

clear Biblical statement?
The Dragon is clearly a killer as well as a take of souls.

 

[Linda8]

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[RVincent]

Rev. 13 says killed. It does not say how.

 

[Linda8]

Rev. 13 says killed. It does not say how.

Irrelevant. As though death can be differentiated by mode of death.

Why are you now pushing a weak argument regarding how they are killed?

What is the difference between killing with guns. knives, poison gas , or drowning?

The mode of killing is irrelevant for the end is the same.

Killing results in loss of life and that is what counts, not the methodology of the action of killing.


Well, if you need a method just to satisfy your curiousity, THE BIBLE gives an example of one method the Beast uses to kill .... but of course, killing is not limited to one method.

Revelation 20: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image [see Rev 13:11-18], neither had received his mark

 

[RVincent]

You are thinking in terms of flesh. I am thinking of a spiritual death.

 

[Linda8]

You are thinking in terms of flesh. I am thinking of a spiritual death.

I am not debating your personal interpretation. That in itself is no basis

for arguing against Revelation 13:11-18.

I am stating what the Bible teaches and that is what you should be guided by.


Satan, as a killer, has very limited options.

Are you denying that Satan was NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DEATHS during

the periods before and after the 1st advent of Christ?

Are you blaming God for the tribulation and deaths of believers in God and Christ?

What grounds would you offer for disagreeing that the deaths of the likes of John the baptist, the many Israelites killed for their faith in God and Christ ?

Who has been responsible for the deaths of millions of believers?

Is it God or Satan?

 

[Linda8]

You are thinking in terms of flesh. I am thinking of a spiritual death.

So murderers do not offend God because all they do is to take flesh life...huh?

That means murderers are not condemned by God because they only kill the flesh?

That is what you imply and God's commandments disagree with you.

Killing the flesh body is murder and THAT IS AN ABOMINATION before God.

See God and Christ's commandments if you are not aware.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Satan has never been able to teach the gospel .

This concept of Satan running around ssaying He is Jesus is a false idea.
He can act as a deceptive angel of light BUT HE CANNOT BE HOLY and teach the Gospel of God and Christ.

See Genesis 3:1-3, Satan could not teach the Gospel of God.

Satan will use the existing churches to deceive, for no one can imitate Christ directly BUT PEOPLE CAN CLAIM to be preachers and deceive.

Christ's mode of operation involves too much truth and holiness for any so called cherub to imitate.

Satan thrives in corrupt environs.

Christ strikes fear in the hearts of the evil, liars, prejudiced etc.

Satan is very much at home with the oppresors, the fornicators, the greedy etc.

Christ never gives such people comfort for He stahds for verymuch the opposite to human carnal desires.

So Satan cannnot imitate Christ, he can only deceive the carnal or deceive

false Christians through false churches.

It is an abomination to Christ, to insinuate that Satan can imitate him.

Satan cannot teach Christ's gospel... and without that He cannot imitate Christ. It is not just about cherublike appearance and fire from the skies.

It requires far more than that to imitate Christ.

I believe you misunderstand.
Satan can decieve man, presenting himself as an angel of light (and we are told this in scripture)....though he isn't. I don't believe it was ever presented that Satan can be HOLY.

It looks to me that Satan will try to decieve mankind during the Tribulation that He is Christ, and we even see an UNHOLY trinity in the dragon, the beast and the false prophet. The false prophet will perform signs and miracles in the presence of the beast - pretending it is from God:
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.



Satan uses all kinds of things to decieve, including what I would call false churches. In the Tribulation, Satan will give power to the beast and enable the false prophet to do "miracles" in front of mankind.

But, of course, none of it is holy and it is not of God.

 

[RVincent]

Please do not insert words into my mouth. I did not say God was responsible for the deaths of Christians.

Let's consider Mystery Babylon:

(Rev 17:5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Babylon is the fountain-head of all idolatry and false worship.

Furthermore, Babylon comes from Babel = confusion. Her confusion causes her to do what she is doing.

That is why Babylon is in her forehead, she is confused regarding the return of Christ.

This MYSTERY is the mystery of iniquity in 2 Thess. 2:7, that Paul said "doth already work". It is the mark of the beast - the mark of confusion.

This is why she says:

(Rev 18:7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

She thinks she's a queen because she believes her Husband has returned.

She claims not to be a widow because she believes her Husband is there.

But it's the fake.

This is why Christ said:

(Luke 23:29-30) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. {30} Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. Cp. Rev. 6:16

And

(Mark 13:17) But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Christ is returning expecting to find a virgin bride (2 Cor. 11:1-3). But if Christ returns and finds His would-be virgin bride nursing a child, what does that mean?

She has married the false husband and is nursing his system.

This is a sad thing to say, but the "waters" (the peoples 17:15) that make up Mystery Babylon is much of the so-called "church".

 

[Linda8]

I believe you misunderstand.
Satan can decieve man, presenting himself as an angel of light (and we are told this in scripture)....though he isn't. I don't believe it was ever presented that Satan can be HOLY.

It looks to me that Satan will try to decieve mankind during the Tribulation that He is Christ, and we even see an UNHOLY trinity in the dragon, the beast and the false prophet. The false prophet will perform signs and miracles in the presence of the beast - pretending it is from God:
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.



Satan uses all kinds of things to decieve, including what I would call false churches. In the Tribulation, Satan will give power to the beast and enable the false prophet to do "miracles" in front of mankind.

But, of course, none of it is holy and it is not of God.

It seems you also think Satan can imitate Christ using MURDER. You are wrong.

The very act of murder exposes ANY THING OF SATAN to be of Satan.

Christ DOES NOT USE MURDER OR FIRE FROM the sky in teaching His gospel as clearly seen in the life of Christ on earth.

That is why Satan would fail miserably in attempting to imitate Christ.

CHRIST cannot be imitated using MURDER and intimidation.

Rev13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Use the entire Bible, not bits and pieces.

I am curious to know why you think murderous acts could deceive people into accepting a murderer as Christ/God?

 

[RVincent]

(Rev 20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Do you have a Greek Interlinear?

This translation is faulty.

It sould read, "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHOSOEVER had not worshipped the beast, neither his image"

Whosoever means whosever.

So murderers do not offend God because all they do is to take flesh life...huh?

That means murderers are not condemned by God because they only kill the flesh?

Where are you getting these statements?!? I have implied nothing of the sort.

This is attacking the straw man.

 

[Linda8]

(Rev 20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Do you have a Greek Interlinear?

This translation is faulty.

It sould read, "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHOSOEVER had not worshipped the beast, neither his image"

Whosoever means whosever.



Where are you getting these statements?!? I have implied nothing of the sort.

This is attacking the straw man.

Let us stop beating around the bush.

Fact 1.. Satan is responsible for ACTS OF MURDER, TORTURE AND persection

during the period described in Revelation 13:1-18.

Is this a period OF BLISS AND HAPPINESS FOR believers in Christ or not?

Is this some heavenly peaceful reign OR A PERIOD OF SATANIC evil?

Please get to the point.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I am not debating your personal interpretation. That in itself is no basis

for arguing against Revelation 13:11-18.

I am stating what the Bible teaches and that is what you should be guided by.


Satan, as a killer, has very limited options.

Are you denying that Satan was NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DEATHS during

the periods before and after the 1st advent of Christ?

Are you blaming God for the tribulation and deaths of believers in God and Christ?

What grounds would you offer for disagreeing that the deaths of the likes of John the baptist, the many Israelites killed for their faith in God and Christ ?

Who has been responsible for the deaths of millions of believers?

Is it God or Satan?

Linda, you are going off on some kind of tangent here.
In terms of before the Tribulation, persecution of Christians is from forces of spiritual wickedness, Satan, BUT allowed by God to furthur the testimony. The church grows in persecution.

Satan can do nothing to those who are in Christ unless God allows it. God IS in control.

And if this involves martyrdom, then it must fit God's plan, and those martyrs will be richly rewarded.

During the Tribulation, again - it is God who is in control. He allows the events to happen. It is Jesus Himself who opens the seals, and events happen on earth - including allowing the Antichrist to rise. Many die during this time in many ways - from earthquakes, fires, etc. (And these things are from God). Those who who refuse the mark will be beheaded - that is from Satan, but God allows it to be.

God said His ways are not our ways and He will accomplish His pleasure on the earth. I don't believe that anything happens without His permission.

 

[Linda8]

Linda, you are going off on some kind of tangent here.
In terms of before the Tribulation, persecution of Christians is from forces of spiritual wickedness, Satan, BUT allowed by God to furthur the testimony. The church grows in persecution.

Satan can do nothing to those who are in Christ unless God allows it. God IS in control.

And if this involves martyrdom, then it must fit God's plan, and those martyrs will be richly rewarded.

During the Tribulation, again - it is God who is in control. He allows the events to happen. It is Jesus Himself who opens the seals, and events happen on earth - including allowing the Antichrist to rise. Many die during this time in many ways - from earthquakes, fires, etc. (And these things are from God). Those who who refuse the mark will be beheaded - that is from Satan, but God allows it to be.

God said His ways are not our ways and He will accomplish His pleasure on the earth. I don't believe that anything happens without His permission.

Very Good.

Since Christ does not use murder and torture and acts of evil in his mode of teaching and guidance and since Satan the MURDERER loves to kill and murder, that clearly means that Christ cannot be imitated by acts of murder and evil .

That means during Satan's attempts to imitate Christ with murder, Satan will not project a holy image but will appear as an evil abomination.

Therefore Satan can not reproduce the Holy loving acts of Christ since Satan

needs to murder and torture to succeed.

Easy to differentiate and spot the murdering Satan, and He cannot imitate Christ.

 

[RVincent]

Is this a period OF BLISS AND HAPPINESS FOR believers or not?

(Rev 13:10) He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

He that leadeth & cont. These are Hebrew idioms for destiny. See Jer. 15:2; 43:11. Ezek. 5:2, 12. Zech. 11:9.

This is when the destiny of the elect is fulfilled, to stand against Satan, not premeditating what they will say "but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit."

Exciting! I'm looking forward to it!!

 

[FreeinChrist]

It seems you also think Satan can imitate Christ using MURDER. You are wrong.

The very act of murder exposes ANY THING OF SATAN to be of Satan.

Christ DOES NOT USE MURDER OR FIRE FROM the sky in teaching His gospel as clearly seen in the life of Christ on earth.

That is why Satan would fail miserably in attempting to imitate Christ.

CHRIST cannot be imitated using MURDER and intimidation.

Rev13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Use the entire Bible, not bits and pieces.

I am curious to know why you think murderous acts could deceive people into accepting a murderer as Christ/God?

I DO USE THE WHOLE BIBLE LINDA! I SINCERELY WONDER IF YOU DO!

OF COURSE THE ACT OF MURDER BETRAYS THAT SATAN IS SATAN. PLEASE READ WHAT I WROTE AGAIN WITHOUT BLINDERS!

Now that I might have your attention - are you aware of this verse, Linda?

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
That initially the Antichrist comes as and is initally perceived as good can be shown here:

Rev 6:2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

The fellow on this white horse is not Jesus. It is the first appearance of the future AC. We can read in Daniel that he will magnify himself. We read in Revelation that signs and wonders will be performed in his presence. We are told in II Thesalonians that God sends a strong delusion, so that the will believe the lie - the Antichrist.

You are ignoring clearly statements that Satan only PRETENDS to be Christlike - but has no chance of being Christlike. It was his desire to magnify himself as God that got him kicked out of heaven - right?


Of course, true believers will see through the strong delusion, will not accept the beast - that is why many are beheaded - right?


Please chill and consider what is being written, okay?