Would a Christian go to hell if he believed in Baptism regeneration?

[QuestionQuest74]

If a man lived a truly Godly life but believed in baptism regeneration is he going to heaven. (Based on scripture)?

 

[Sorn]

What is baptism regeneration

 

[QuestionQuest74]

What is baptism regeneration

The belief Baptism is part of salvation.

 

[d taylor]

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Show where in The Bible, The Bible states, a person receives God's free gift of Eternal Life by living a good life and being baptized. Which having Eternal Life is required for a person to be able to go to heaven.

I have only found the only way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is by belief or faith in Jesus

 

[HTacianas]

The belief Baptism is part of salvation.

Baptism is a part of salvation. That has been the teaching of Christianity from the beginning:

Mar 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

It is through baptism that we receive forgiveness of previous sins:

Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

There is no reason to believe anything else:

1Pe 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

 

[seeking.IAM]

I think people don't go to hell for theological nuances.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

If a man lived a truly Godly life but believed in baptism regeneration is he going to heaven. (Based on scripture)?

Which one? Water or Holy Spirit?
Blessings

 

[ViaCrucis]

If a man lived a truly Godly life but believed in baptism regeneration is he going to heaven. (Based on scripture)?

I'm biased, because like most Christians throughout history I do believe in baptismal regeneration. Because it's biblical. And so, yes.

I also think that those who don't believe in baptismal regeneration are saved.

Because salvation isn't based on what we believe, but based upon Christ's all-sufficient work on the cross. I believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The belief Baptism is part of salvation.

I think a better question would be why would a belief in baptismal regeneration (even if wrong, which I don't believe it is) prohibit a person from going to heaven?

If salvation was based upon our getting all of our theological t's crossed and i's dotted, wouldn't that mean that basically nobody gets in? Does any of us truly think that we have literally EVERYTHING totally 100% correct in every jot or tittle? We are all of us fallible and prone to ignorance and misunderstanding.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Strong in Him]

Baptism is a part of salvation. That has been the teaching of Christianity from the beginning:

Yes, because John the Baptist preached a baptism of repentance.
Jews weren't baptised when they sinned - they had the sacrificial system as laid down by Moses for that.
In the NT believers confessed their sins, were baptised - which was a picture of what happened when they became believers; dying to sin, rising to life. And were usually asked to give a short confession of faith; like, "Jesus is Lord", (which was dangerous when they Romans were making everyone say "Caesar is Lord".)
Yes, baptism is a good idea, and in fact a sacrament. But if someone became a Christian and were not able to be baptised, they'd still be saved.

Many people nowadays are baptised as babies - and the families don't always do it because they plan to take their children to church and bring them up in the faith. And there is also the question of people being baptised into cults, like JWs and Mormons. If baptism was a part of salvation, these people would be saved - while denying that Jesus is God and there is no Trinity.

 

[Reginald Taylor Jr]

Ephesians 4:11-16
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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


I believe if the Leaders of the church are holy , pure , kindhearted and trust worthy and provide sound doctrine of holy bible they can lead a person to heaven and not go to hell.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Many people nowadays are baptised as babies - and the families don't always do it because they plan to take their children to church and bring them up in the faith. And there is also the question of people being baptised into cults, like JWs and Mormons. If baptism was a part of salvation, these people would be saved - while denying that Jesus is God and there is no Trinity.

In the Lutheran Confessions we talk about rejecting what we call an Ex Opere Operato view of the Sacraments, this is especially the case when we talk about Baptism. The Latin here translates to "of the working of the work", we could also phrase it as "of the work itself". When Lutherans talk about rejecting an Ex Opere Operato understanding of Baptism, we mean we reject the idea that the mere act of being baptized, in a purely mechanical way, can save us. The reason why Baptism saves is because God's Word is united to, connected with, the water in the Sacrament; and therefore what God promises and says in connection with Baptism is true--because God Himself is doing something, on the basis of what He said He would do.

When God, through the Prophet Elisha, said that if Naaman went and dipped himself seven times in the River Jordan and would be cured of his leprosy, was it the pure mechanical act of washing himself seven times in a river named Jordan that cured him of leprosy? No, it was the promise of God which was connected with the dipping seven times in the River Jordan that cured Naaman of his leprosy.

When our Lord Jesus Christ took dirt and spit and put the mixture upon the eyes of the blind man, and Jesus made the blind man tsee, was it the mechanical act of applying muddy saliva to an eye that cured the blindness? No, it was the act of God the Son who committed Himself to healing the blind man.

When we are baptized, it is not the act of getting baptized that saves, it is the fact that God declared and promised that He would accomplish His work through this Sacrament. Namely, "baptism which now saves" (1 Peter 3:21).

Mormon baptism, as just an example, isn't a valid baptism. Because it is not the mere act of getting baptized which is what matters; it's God's word, it's that Christian Baptism is Christian Baptism. Mormons may say "in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit", but that certainly isn't what they mean. They are not baptizing in the precious and holy name of the Trinity, they mean radically different things when they say "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". With Jehovah's Witnesses, it's also the same.

The reason why, as just an example, Rome, Wittenburg, and Canterbury can all recognize each other's Baptisms is because it's Christian Baptism.

It is not, and never has been, the case that getting wet saves anyone. It's that when we are baptized, everything God promised concerning baptism, is true. So when you were baptized you died with Jesus Christ (Romans 6:3-4) were clothed with Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:27). That's a fact, based solely on the fact that God HImself says so. It wasn't getting wet, it was that God's word is there with the water. This is why Paul can say in Ephesians 5:26 that Jesus cleansed His Church by the washing of water with the word.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Reginald Taylor Jr]

Ex Opere Operato the Sacrements? Pentecost?
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Genesis 1
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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

John 1:1​

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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[Fervent]

If salvation is based on having perfect doctrine, we're in trouble.

 

[Reginald Taylor Jr]

Luke 10:9
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9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

 

[CoreyD]

If a man lived a truly Godly life but believed in baptism regeneration is he going to heaven. (Based on scripture)?

I like your post, because you made clear you want scriptural answers, rather than just some statement given as fact. I so much appreciate people who have this mentality.

At 1 Peter 3:18-21, we read :
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So, baptisms is a requirement for all who would follow Christ. See Matthew 28:19, 20; Acts 2:37-42

Does this mean they will go to heaven? No.
To go to heaven, a person must be born again. John 3:3-8 Another baptism is required. See this post, as well as this, and this.
God selects those who receive this second baptism, because they are chosen for a special purpose. See this post.

If you need further clarity, on this, you can feel free to comment on those posts, or Personal Message me.
Thank you.

 

[CoreyD]

I'm biased, because like most Christians throughout history I do believe in baptismal regeneration. Because it's biblical. And so, yes.

I also think that those who don't believe in baptismal regeneration are saved.

Because salvation isn't based on what we believe, but based upon Christ's all-sufficient work on the cross. I believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, this is what many pastors blurt out to their congregations.
Sadly, they are not telling the congregation the truth - which is, salvation depends on what we believe, and if we act on teachings that are in harmony with the truth, which Jesus taught.

Spoiler: SCRIPTURES

Leviticus 18:5
You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the LORD.
See Deuteronomy 13:16; Romans 10:5

Proverbs 4:4
Then he taught me, and he said to me, “Take hold of my words with all your heart; keep my commands, and you will live.
See Proverbs 6:23

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
Compare Isaiah 54:13; Micah 4:2

John 6:68
Simon Peter, therefore, answered Him, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have sayings of continuous life;

John 18:37
“Then You are a king!” Pilate said. “You say that I am a king,” Jesus answered. “For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”

John 8:31, 32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 17:3, 17
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
See Psalms 19:7-11; John 15:3

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.

 

[CoreyD]

I think a better question would be why would a belief in baptismal regeneration (even if wrong, which I don't believe it is) prohibit a person from going to heaven?

If salvation was based upon our getting all of our theological t's crossed and i's dotted, wouldn't that mean that basically nobody gets in? Does any of us truly think that we have literally EVERYTHING totally 100% correct in every jot or tittle? We are all of us fallible and prone to ignorance and misunderstanding.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you think the Holy Spirit is lacking then?
Is Jesus incapable of being with his people and guiding them into all truth, by means of that spirit?
John 16:13

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.

Would that not be what you are saying, if you believe what you just expressed?
Surely you don't think Jesus wasted his time coming to earth to "bear witness to the truth" John 18:37, to then return to heaven with an empty promise of leading his disciples into all truth, do you?

Jesus' disciples know the truth, They have no doubt.
1 John 4:6

We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

That does not mean they get it right away, because God progressively reveals it. He did so from day one of the fall of man. Proverbs 4:18

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes, this is what many pastors blurt out to their congregations.
Sadly, they are not telling the congregation the truth - which is, salvation depends on what we believe, and if we act on teachings that are in harmony with the truth, which Jesus taught.

Spoiler: SCRIPTURES

Leviticus 18:5
You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the LORD.
See Deuteronomy 13:16; Romans 10:5

Proverbs 4:4
Then he taught me, and he said to me, “Take hold of my words with all your heart; keep my commands, and you will live.
See Proverbs 6:23

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
Compare Isaiah 54:13; Micah 4:2

John 6:68
Simon Peter, therefore, answered Him, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have sayings of continuous life;

John 18:37
“Then You are a king!” Pilate said. “You say that I am a king,” Jesus answered. “For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”

John 8:31, 32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 17:3, 17
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. See Psalms 19:7-11; John 15:3

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.

I think it's telling that none of the passages you quote says that our salvation depends on us believing the right things.

Scripture, however, is clear that salvation is the gift and work of God by His grace alone, which is through faith.

Faith, as the Apostle means it in his letters, is not "believing a set of theological propositions", but rather trust in Jesus Christ.

Which is why I have no problem confessing and agreeing with Fr. Martin when he writes in his Introduction to Romans,

"Faith is not what some people think it is. Their human dream is a delusion. Because they observe that faith is not followed by good works or a better life, they fall into error, even though they speak and hear much about faith. ''Faith is not enough,'' they say, ''You must do good works, you must be pious to be saved.'' They think that, when you hear the gospel, you start working, creating by your own strength a thankful heart which says, ''I believe.'' That is what they think true faith is. But, because this is a human idea, a dream, the heart never learns anything from it, so it does nothing and reform doesn't come from this 'faith,' either.

Instead, faith is God's work in us, that changes us and gives new birth from God. (John 1:13). It kills the Old Adam and makes us completely different people. It changes our hearts, our spirits, our thoughts and all our powers. It brings the Holy Spirit with it. Yes, it is a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn't stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever. He stumbles around and looks for faith and good works, even though he does not know what faith or good works are. Yet he gossips and chatters about faith and good works with many words.

Faith is a living, bold trust in God's grace, so certain of God's favor that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it. Such confidence and knowledge of God's grace makes you happy, joyful and bold in your relationship to God and all creatures. The Holy Spirit makes this happen through faith. Because of it, you freely, willingly and joyfully do good to everyone, serve everyone, suffer all kinds of things, love and praise the God who has shown you such grace. Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! Therefore, watch out for your own false ideas and guard against good-for-nothing gossips, who think they're smart enough to define faith and works, but really are the greatest of fools. Ask God to work faith in you, or you will remain forever without faith, no matter what you wish, say or can do."

As the Apostle says to the Ephesians,

"For by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not in what you do, so that none may boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9

For faith comes from outside of ourselves, as the gift and power of God. In this way the Gospel is, as the Apostle said in his Thesis Statement for Romans, "the power of God to save all who believe, the Jew first and also the Greek; for by it the justice of God is revealed from faith to faith, so as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.'" (Romans 1:16-17). For the righteousness of faith is not our righteousness, but God's righteousness--God's justice by which He justifies sinners. Such is the "righteousness that is by faith" as opposed to the Law.

No, this isn't want preachers "blurt out". This is what faithful servants and ministers of God's proclaim as stewards of the Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do you think the Holy Spirit is lacking then?

That's a silly question to ask.

I'll simply answer this by quoting the Lutheran Confessions,

"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which we could not attain of ourselves.

Learn, then, to understand this article most clearly. If you are asked: What do you mean by the words: I believe in the Holy Ghost? you can answer: I believe that the Holy Ghost makes me holy, as His name implies. But whereby does He accomplish this, or what are His method and means to this end? Answer: By the Christian Church, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. For, in the first place, He has a peculiar congregation in the world, which is the mother that begets and bears every Christian through the Word of God, which He reveals and preaches, [and through which] He illumines and enkindles hearts, that they understand, accept it, cling to it, and persevere in it" - The Large Catechism, Section II, Article III

-CryptoLutheran