Worried that being white and privileged is fundamentally bankrupt, suggestions?

[OldWiseGuy]

The Word also says that 'through the Jews not accepting Christ as their Savior, the gentiles were blessed'.

So, let's have a complete biblical conversation here.

The apostles were instructed to FIRST go to the Jews and THEN to the gentiles.

Your theory is a little flawed.

The subject isn't about salvation, it's about material wealth and power.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh boy. I need to compose myself. Give me a minute ...

No one is clean and pure and holy.

No human being, only God. That kind of blows up your little theory. Jesus came that ALL might be saved.

Please correct your quote attributions.

 

[Mickiel]

The subject isn't about salvation, it's about material wealth and power.

Well if you limit this to Material wealth and power, then obviously yes, those two nations were no doubt blessed with that, but if we use that description as a way to find and identify so called, " Lost tribes of Israel", then explain why we cannot then consider the Soviet Union, China, India, Saudi Arabia, and so on as also being blessed by God?

See, people have a tendency to limit God in many ways, as long as the limitation " Includes THEM." Be it material blessings or power, or even salvation; because certain believers seek to limit salvation itself; and because THEY pick and choose, they feel God does it as well. Which is why I agree with the poster who brought up the Gentiles being blessed as well; because some Jews sought to horde the blessings to themselves. And Paul argued against that.

In the long run, all nations will be blessed with the benefits of Heavens ultimate powers and wealth, in the short run, those who receive it now, is basically meaningless, if we consider the whole picture of what God is after.

If we magnify any blessings received in this life, and brag on them or look to glorify ourselves, then there is a danger in that; because this life is not end of story. When any nation looks to pacify themselves for conceived spiritual reasons, pride is waiting at that door.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

The subject isn't about salvation, it's about material wealth and power.

I was referring to the post that stated that maybe white people are pure and holy.

My comment is meant to say that we (white people) would not have gotten our salvation if not for the Jews not believing. That is when the fullness of the gentiles came into place.

I know the topic is not salvation, I was responding only to that comment about white people. It was weird.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Please correct your quote attributions.

I will try to do it later when I get to work, if i forget I apologize.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well if you limit this to Material wealth and power, then obviously yes, those two nations were no doubt blessed with that,

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[OldWiseGuy]

I was referring to the post that stated that maybe white people are pure and holy.

My comment is meant to say that we (white people) would not have gotten our salvation if not for the Jews not believing. That is when the fullness of the gentiles came into place.

I know the topic is not salvation, I was responding only to that comment about white people. It was weird.

I think you are conflating gentiles with the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The Jews were the house of Judah. The house of Israel refers to the tribes of the northern kingdom, who though lost to the rest of the world were not lost to God or to themselves at that time.

It was the gentiles that were grafted in. The other tribes of the house of Israel, had no need to be grafted in as they were Israelites just as the Jews were.

Consider that Jesus was "sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" which is supported by the fact that he began his ministry of preaching the gospel of the kingdom to the remnants of Zebulun and Naphtali, not the Jews or the gentile.

Matthew 4:

12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15 "The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people (Israelites that remained after the Assyrian captivity of the northern kingdom) which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up."

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

For context read Isaiah 8 and 9.

 

[Mickiel]

I was referring to the post that stated that maybe white people are pure and holy.

My comment is meant to say that we (white people) would not have gotten our salvation if not for the Jews not believing. That is when the fullness of the gentiles came into place.

I know the topic is not salvation, I was responding only to that comment about white people. It was weird.

I made that comment as a statement symbolic of how some may actually feel; it was not a statement of fact that I believe in. And it is weird that some believe it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The blessings of grace, yes. The fullness of the blessings of race fell on us Anglo-Europeans.

From a Lincoln speech given in 1838,

"In the great journal of things happening under the sun, we, the American People, find our account running, under date of the nineteenth century of the Christian era.--We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We, when mounting the stage of existence, found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them--they are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic, but now lamented and departed race of ancestors. Their's was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; 'tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform."

Sounds like Lincoln was blowing smoke....

European dominance during Imperialism/colonialism was born out of necessity and greed...not so much out of grace or blessings.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sounds like Lincoln was blowing smoke....

He was acknowledging historical and prophetic facts.

 

[Mickiel]

Sounds like Lincoln was blowing smoke....

European dominance during Imperialism/colonialism was born out of necessity and greed...not so much out of grace or blessings.

Yes, but if you think a bit deeper, was not greed prophesized to occur in scripture? You are dead on and correct, they expanded out of need and greed, and that is what God is showing; teaching; what greed will accomplish and do in our time.

They are examples of greed, not examples of anything spiritual. Examples of how much men will take; and then at the same time gloat that God gave it to them because they are his " Elect."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, but if you think a bit deeper, was not greed prophesized to occur in scripture? You are dead on and correct, they expanded out of need and greed, and that is what God is showing; teaching; what greed will accomplish and do in our time.

They are examples of greed, not examples of anything spiritual. Examples of how much men will take; and then at the same time gloat that God gave it to them because they are his " Elect."

It's best to view the ascent of America like tasty sausage. The end product is great, but if you saw how it was made you would never eat it.

 

[Mickiel]

It's best to view the ascent of America like tasty sausage. The end product is great, but if you saw how it was made you would never eat it.

That's funny, but so true, I agree;

and the truth is much the same, and the world is not eating it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's funny, but so true, I agree;

and the truth is much the same, and the world is not eating it.

We finally agree on something ! (falls off chair).

 

[Mickiel]

We finally agree on something ! (falls off chair).

Well I disagree with things, but not because I am constantly disagreeable. When I see what I think is true, I agree with it, no matter how often I have disagreed with the person.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well I disagree with things, but not because I am constantly disagreeable. When I see what I think is true, I agree with it, no matter how often I have disagreed with the person.

Without disagreements these forums would be pretty dull.