Worried that being white and privileged is fundamentally bankrupt, suggestions?

[Star Adept]

My blessing was to always be positive
No point in any other way of life, in my opinion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They were a people of color; the blessings of Abraham fell on all ranges of color, not just white.

The blessings of grace, yes. The fullness of the blessings of race fell on us Anglo-Europeans.

From a Lincoln speech given in 1838,

"In the great journal of things happening under the sun, we, the American People, find our account running, under date of the nineteenth century of the Christian era.--We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We, when mounting the stage of existence, found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them--they are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic, but now lamented and departed race of ancestors. Their's was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; 'tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform."

 

[Mickiel]

The blessings of grace, yes. The fullness of the blessings of race fell on us Anglo-Europeans.

From a Lincoln speech given in 1838,
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I am curious, what does the blessing of race mean? And what race are you referring to? Are you suggesting that white people were blessed by God, because they were somehow more important than the other people of color under Abraham? When you say " Us Anglo's", do you mean " Us Whites?"

So are you now teaching that God blesses one race over another?

I am just wondering if you are going to bring this out of the closet, because I have already seen it in you; I know its there.

I know this thinking and belief exist;

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am curious, what does the blessing of race mean? And what race are you referring to? Are you suggesting that white people were blessed by God, because they were somehow more important than the other people of color under Abraham? When you say " Us Anglo's", do you mean " Us Whites?"

The blessings of race means material blessings, as distinct from grace, or, spiritual blessings. That a light-skinned people are the recipients of those blessings is not up for debate. God chose to bless the descendants of Israel in the latter days. God didn't bless them because they were white, and they didn't turn white because he blessed them. He blessed the man Abraham. Now if Abraham was a different color than white, sometime during subsequent generations his descendants developed the light skin color, and these people are today the inheritors of the Abrahamic material covenant of race.

So are you now teaching that God blesses one race over another?

The blessing has been conferred, the Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled.

 

[Mickiel]

The blessings of race means material blessings, as distinct from grace, or, spiritual blessings. That a light-skinned people are the recipients of those blessings is not up for debate. God chose to bless the descendants of Israel in the latter days. God didn't bless them because they were white, and they didn't turn white because he blessed them. He blessed the man Abraham. Now if Abraham was a different color than white, sometime during subsequent generations his descendants developed the light skin color, and these people are today the inheritors of the Abrahamic material covenant of race.



The blessing has been conferred, the Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled.

So you are saying that " Light skinned people" are the inheritors of the covenant with Abraham? Why not just come on out with it? Why not say that " White people " inherited the promise? Why are you avoiding and prolonging this? What are you afraid of? That I will produce scriptures to disprove this?

Come on out with it, I am not going to hurt you.

I know its in there, lets be out front with this most unusual belief of pride and self evaluation, which would place a race into the bible, above others.

 

[Star Adept]

Yea I was gonna stay out of this but that seems a little absurd to me too. Are you saying that Abraham only has white/light-skinned descendants?

 

[Mickiel]

Yea I was gonna stay out of this but that seems a little absurd to me too. Are you saying that Abraham only has white/light-skinned descendants?

He went so far as to suggest, that even if Abraham was not white, that his offspring eventually turned white, and they are the inheritors of the blessings. But he is using, " Light skinned", to kind of " Soften" this belief.

And that belief is seriously ingrained in many believers who think their race is special. Some think that all the prophets were white, all of Israel was white, all the Apostles were white, Jesus was white, goodness, even that God is white.

And you can put any race into this most unusual equation, because many races have been traditionally excluded from the biblical picture; the religious racism in this world is strong and real. People will kill because of it. And it has dug itself into our consciousness, like a tick on a dog.

 

[Star Adept]

He went so far as to suggest, that even if Abraham was not white, that his offspring eventually turned white, and they are the inheritors of the blessings. But he is using, " Light skinned", to kind of " Soften" this belief.

And that belief is seriously ingrained in many believers who think their race is special. Some think that all the prophets were white, all of Israel was white, all the Apostles were white, Jesus was white, goodness, even that God is white.

And you can put any race into this most unusual equation, because many races have been traditionally excluded from the biblical picture; the religious racism in this world is strong and real. People will kill because of it. And it has dug itself into our consciousness, like a tick on a dog.

Yea, I'll let him speak for himself in response to my question to him, thanks. You're of no authority to speak for him or his position.

 

[Mickiel]

Yea, I'll let him speak for himself in response to my question to him, thanks. You're of no authority to speak for him or his position.

It does not require authority to see where he is coming from, just discernment and experience. And a little bit of wisdom, which means " Knowing how it is."

And being on the receiving end of religious racism all my life, I know how it is. That is not authority, its experience; I have seen this before, and it speaks for itself.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yea I was gonna stay out of this but that seems a little absurd to me too. Are you saying that Abraham only has white/light-skinned descendants?

Of course not, but "white" people inherited the fullness of the Abrahamic promises that concern race. If you examine these promises you'll see that most of the white people in the world are excluded. If God favored all white people then racism could be imputed. Germany, a nation of white people, was not only excluded, but was nearly destroyed for 'cursing' Britain and America. The Russians, Slavs, Scandanavians, Jews, and other western European "white" nations were also excluded, although many eventually prospered because of their relationship with Britain and America.

Too many politically correct people are sitting on the edge of their seats, their minds drooling over the prospect of leveling accusations of racism at anyone who hints the God might have shown some favoritism toward the very people he has chosen.

God plainly chose to bless the "white" peoples of Britain and America in the latter days. If someone has a problem with this, take it up with God.

 

[Mickiel]

God plainly chose to bless the "white" peoples of Britain and America in the latter days.[/B] If someone has a problem with this, take it up with God.

Okay since you are saying, ( finally), that God choose white people, can any of those white people, or you, give us biblical support for this, or do we have to take that up with God too?

Also, can you give us biblical support that shows no people of color will ever be blessed buy God in the latter days?

Can you also explain to us the reason why God choose to elevate white skin in days like this, when racism is so hurtful to the earth?

 

[Radagast]

God plainly chose to bless the "white" peoples of Britain and America in the latter days. If someone has a problem with this, take it up with God.

Good old British Israelitism.

Needless to say, this is false (and also rather offensive).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Okay since you are saying, ( finally), that God choose white people, can any of those white people, or you, give us biblical support for this, or do we have to take that up with God too?

Biblical support is actually taking it up with God. Just study it, it's all there.

Also, can you give us biblical support that shows no people of color will ever be blessed by God in the latter days?

Many ethnicities are blessed by God and have been down through history, i.e. "I will bless those who bless you (Israel)." Most however chose to curse Israel and paid a frightful price for it. Good lesson there.

Even today different races are blessed when they come to America. Could a black African succeed in Africa, or an Asian in Asia succeed they way he or she can succeed here? No way Josy. Many come here to study, intending to go back home after they get their degrees, but fall in love with America, and seek citizenship. They know that they would be severely limited in their home country, but in America the sky's the limit. God intended America to be a blessing to all nations, materially and spiritually.

Can you also explain to us the reason why God choose to elevate white skin in days like this, when racism is so hurtful to the earth?

He didn't 'elevate' all white skinned people, only certain ones. That eliminates racism from the discussion.

A Brit and a German were having drink together several years after the war. The German lamented that they had lost the war even though they had prayed fervently for victory. The Brit responded to him sympathetically, "Didn't you know, God doesn't understand German."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Good old British Israelitism.

Alive and well.

 

[Mickiel]

Biblical support is actually taking it up with God. Just study it, it's all there. QUOTE

Well you made the claim, common respect for us who read it, is to prove it, as in the scriptures, " Prove all things", or are the chosen white privileged exempt from this show of respect? So the elect of God do not believe in sharing scriptures when clearly asked to?




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He didn't 'elevate' all white skinned people, only certain ones. That eliminates racism from the discussion.

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Okay if that is true, then of the white skinned people he elevated, explain to us why he elevated them? Was it because of their skin? Was it their character? Was the reason that they were just in the right place at the right time?

Or was it that God just could not help himself, and was proud of the white skin he made? Maybe to God, white skin is symbolic of clean and pure and holy: what do you think?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Okay if that is true, then of the white skinned people he elevated, explain to us why he elevated them? Was it because of their skin? Was it their character? Was the reason that they were just in the right place at the right time?

God made a promise to Abraham that he would bless his descendants with the birthright blessings. Skin color and character didn't matter, as the blessing was unconditional.

Or was it that God just could not help himself, and was proud of the white skin he made? Maybe to God, white skin is symbolic of clean and pure and holy: what do you think?

Ephraim and Manasseh could have had a dark complexion. It wouldn't have mattered, they would still have received the birthright blessings. It just so happened that they were light skinned. If they had spent 2500 years in the middle east they may have looked much darker, but they migrated to the British Isles where exposure to the sun is limited. That's why their skin is so light.

 

[Mickiel]

God made a promise to Abraham that he would bless his descendants with the birthright blessings. Skin color and character didn't matter, as the blessing was unconditional.



Ephraim and Manasseh could have had a dark complexion. It wouldn't have mattered, they would still have received the birthright blessings. It just so happened that they were light skinned. If they had spent 2500 years in the middle east they may have looked much darker, but they migrated to the British Isles where exposure to the sun is limited. That's why their skin is so light.

Explain to me why the whole world is not descendants of Abraham, and why you cannot provide scriptures, to a site full of believers, to prove your point? Explain to me what the 12 tribes of Israel has to do with the salvation of humanity? Why do you think salvation is tribal? Why are you hesitant to use scripture?

Or maybe you can just pass out copies of Herbert Armstrong's book to everyone here? So they can at least read what you are reading.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Biblical support is actually taking it up with God. Just study it, it's all there.


Many ethnicities are blessed by God and have been down through history, i.e. "I will bless those who bless you (Israel)." Most however chose to curse Israel and paid a frightful price for it. Good lesson there.

The Word also says that 'through the Jews not accepting Christ as their Savior, the gentiles were blessed'.

So, let's have a complete biblical conversation here.

The apostles were instructed to FIRST go to the Jews and THEN to the gentiles.

Your theory is a little flawed.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Or was it that God just could not help himself, and was proud of the white skin he made? Maybe to God, white skin is symbolic of clean and pure and holy: what do you think?

Oh boy. I need to compose myself. Give me a minute ...

No one is clean and pure and holy.

No human being, only God. That kind of blows up your little theory. Jesus came that ALL might be saved.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Explain to me why the whole world is not descendants of Abraham, and why you cannot provide scriptures, to a site full of believers, to prove your point? Explain to me what the 12 tribes of Israel has to do with the salvation of humanity? Why do you think salvation is tribal? Why are you hesitant to use scripture?

I would, if you promise not to argue about the meaning those scriptures.

Or maybe you can just pass out copies of Herbert Armstrong's book to everyone here? So they can at least read what you are reading.

Don't you mean J.H. Allen?