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Worried that being white and privileged is fundamentally bankrupt, suggestions?

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Hi there,

So this is something that has been bugging me for a long, long time and I've never really gotten to the bottom of it. Perhaps philosophers can help.

I am a privileged white male, in a wealthy first world country, that throws most of what he consumes on the garbage heap and has a tidy disability payment to pay a meagre tithe on. But something doesn't add up. I did nothing to earn this privilege, literally nothing. The whole kit and kaboodle has been handed to me with no verbal expectation made of any kind of commitment on my part to being anything other than slightly below average intellectually, as far as my madness is concerned and even then I frequently come across people who are quite stunned that they are considered saner than I am (I drink a lot of water, so I am quite fluid in my tolerance of other people).

And you know what? I think it gets worse. I think the reason I am writing this now, in this way is that a part of me wishes I could keep it, forever. I mean I wish I could always just wake up whenever, eat whatever and throw away whichever and not ever have to think about what people need or why or to what extent or anything. I mean the more I think about it, the more spoiled my thoughts about it become.

Yes, I am grateful, that's the part I'm holding back. I go to Church, I thank God. I know there are people who benefit from my tithe and what not and I am not deliberately ripping the system off, I don't think... but surely... surely there is some price tag to all this, the use of energy, the fact that someone has to work for the pension - actually a lot of people -, the waste, the entertainment, coffee at the shop. I mean in one way, its really modest, but in another sense I've been retired at the paltry age of 35 with nothing to do but pontificate and conjure up obscure philosophical problems for people to think on, if and when I can actually make sense enough to communicate it - which granted, I've found harder than the average guy.

I mean it just seems like all the people around me have missed the fundamental point that everything is supposed to have a purpose! The docs say the treatment is indefinite, I've got almost no reason to complain (except my conscience!), people on the internet largely ignore you if they can't make sense of what you say, the world dreams on - where O where is the sense in it all?

You know what I'm saying?

I mean when Jesus says "one's life does not consist in one's possessions" He literally means, no matter whether it's all given to you or you work for every last bit of it, none of it will give you life - either way. In other words, if you are going to be stuck there, don't even let people give it all to you!

So yes, if you are ever in Melbourne Australia and you can refrain from abusing me like people seem to think God approves of on the internet, I will probably shout you coffee, at the very least!

Thoughts?:pray:
 

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Its true enough, I am reading Islam at moment and:

By time (afternoon as day declines)
Verily man is in loss,
Unless he (and she) believes, and does good deeds, and enjoin each other via truth, and enjoin each other with patience.


So philosophy is good, especially if in your case it helps keep you mentally occupied and healthy, and searches after the truth. But there is a shia saying by Ali (peace) which I try to recall:

The first jihad you will be overcome with is that of the sword, then the tongue then the heart. And you will be turned upside down. Such that your topside becomes lowest, and your bottom side becomes uppermost.

Id say that if you are ill due to Tim Learys influence, then the first Jihad of the devil I would say is half way there, you are physically unable to work? So already your health, wealth and wisdom is being subverted, and turned upside down, and these true values (what is good for us) are being toyed with by satan and his demons, you answer the call, such that you may even join in your own downfall (your topside - health etc - do you really value it?)
 
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Hi there,

So this is something that has been bugging me for a long, long time and I've never really gotten to the bottom of it. Perhaps philosophers can help.

I am a privileged white male

Your pension or disability payments are not based on your whiteness or maleness, so you can rest easy about that.

in a wealthy first world country,

This is true. It is fortunate for you that your society has chosen to support you. So you are right to feel fortunate, even grateful. In different places or different times, your life would be more difficult. But I don't see that there should be any negative thoughts attached to it. Your society has made the choices it has, for the good of society. Your ease is paid for by others, but those others (on the whole) are glad of your ease, for they would want the same for themselves or their loved ones, if the situation was reversed.

"the use of energy ... the waste"

Hey, we can all try to be a little bit better to the environment.
 
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You are very advantaged. Many disabled people are homeless, God has truly blessed you. My brother is physically disabled but still works 50-60 hours a week.

You are even more blessed that you have so much free time. I am a stay at home mom and this time has been wonderful to build my relationship with God. Pray, study, sit quietly. Having so much free time that can be devoted to furthering your relationship with God is a blessing. I have been blessed to learn so much in this time away from work.

Glad you are thankful. Take cate
 
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Hi there,

So this is something that has been bugging me for a long, long time and I've never really gotten to the bottom of it. Perhaps philosophers can help.

I am a privileged white male, in a wealthy first world country, that throws most of what he consumes on the garbage heap and has a tidy disability payment to pay a meagre tithe on. But something doesn't add up. I did nothing to earn this privilege, literally nothing.

You are the recipient of God's blessings. You didn't earn it and don't deserve it, but God made a promise to bless Joseph and has kept his promise.
 
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You are the recipient of God's blessings. You didn't earn it and don't deserve it, but God made a promise to bless Joseph and has kept his promise.



I am curious, are you then suggesting that all the people of color who are poor and suffering, are not the recipients of God's blessings?

Did they " earn the suffering?"
 
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I am curious, are you then suggesting that all the people of color who are poor and suffering, are not the recipients of God's blessings?

Did they " earn the suffering?"


The same question could be asked concerning white people in poverty living in countries that have been blessed.

God did say to Israel, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you."
 
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The same question could be asked concerning white people in poverty living in countries that have been blessed.

God did say to Israel, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you."

So am I to understand that you are answering a question, with a question?

Now I am wondering what you are avoiding?
 
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The same question could be asked concerning white people in poverty living in countries that have been blessed.

God did say to Israel, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you."

I am again curious, was ancient Israel what you consider as " White people?"
 
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I'm kind of on ToBeBlessed's opinion.

You recognize your privileges and you recognize the unprivileged. You were born into the life as much as the other side was, but you are not quite so happy about the gap. Close the gap.

I took the path of bringing myself down from the level of privileged. That doesn't seem to be your wish. There is also the path of bringing others up to the level of privileged. Maybe a combination of both.

Philosophically, if you are unhappy with anything, get off your butt and change it. The only inevitable truth of the world is death. The rest of it is ours to control. We may not do a satisfactory job in a single life, but you won't know that until the end and you won't get there if you don't put all your heart into it. You also don't know how long-lived your efforts will go beyond your own death. Devote yourself to your purpose and you never know what could come of it.
 
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I am in the same situation as you but we probably have different disabilities. Many of us cannot even do volunteer work or we would work a job, ever think of that? I cannot be around many people for reasons of my disability. I do try to make some encouraging posts to the forums I go to. All the best to you.
 
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Hi there,

So this is something that has been bugging me for a long, long time and I've never really gotten to the bottom of it. Perhaps philosophers can help.

I am a privileged white male, in a wealthy first world country, that throws most of what he consumes on the garbage heap and has a tidy disability payment to pay a meagre tithe on. But something doesn't add up. I did nothing to earn this privilege, literally nothing. The whole kit and kaboodle has been handed to me with no verbal expectation made of any kind of commitment on my part to being anything other than slightly below average intellectually, as far as my madness is concerned and even then I frequently come across people who are quite stunned that they are considered saner than I am (I drink a lot of water, so I am quite fluid in my tolerance of other people).

And you know what? I think it gets worse. I think the reason I am writing this now, in this way is that a part of me wishes I could keep it, forever. I mean I wish I could always just wake up whenever, eat whatever and throw away whichever and not ever have to think about what people need or why or to what extent or anything. I mean the more I think about it, the more spoiled my thoughts about it become.

Yes, I am grateful, that's the part I'm holding back. I go to Church, I thank God. I know there are people who benefit from my tithe and what not and I am not deliberately ripping the system off, I don't think... but surely... surely there is some price tag to all this, the use of energy, the fact that someone has to work for the pension - actually a lot of people -, the waste, the entertainment, coffee at the shop. I mean in one way, its really modest, but in another sense I've been retired at the paltry age of 35 with nothing to do but pontificate and conjure up obscure philosophical problems for people to think on, if and when I can actually make sense enough to communicate it - which granted, I've found harder than the average guy.

I mean it just seems like all the people around me have missed the fundamental point that everything is supposed to have a purpose! The docs say the treatment is indefinite, I've got almost no reason to complain (except my conscience!), people on the internet largely ignore you if they can't make sense of what you say, the world dreams on - where O where is the sense in it all?

You know what I'm saying?

I mean when Jesus says "one's life does not consist in one's possessions" He literally means, no matter whether it's all given to you or you work for every last bit of it, none of it will give you life - either way. In other words, if you are going to be stuck there, don't even let people give it all to you!

So yes, if you are ever in Melbourne Australia and you can refrain from abusing me like people seem to think God approves of on the internet, I will probably shout you coffee, at the very least!

Thoughts?:pray:



In my view, being blessed, is mostly just that, the reasons why God blesses individuals, is only something God himself knows, and others just can guess as to why. Again in my view, the blessings or curses we experience in life that are from God, has nothing to do with our race, age, gender and things like that. What troubles we receive from humans can be based on those things. If God has blessed you, its not because you are white, its another reason which you may one day know, or may never know. Just be glad that God has not decided to take you through certain sufferings; but he is most definitely concerned with how you think about your situations in life. You seem to be thinking about this with no ego or immaturity.

In Eccles. 7:13, " Consider the work of God, for who can straighten what he has bent?" You are most fortunate that God has not bent you, because he most certainly does send some people through that, its a part of his work. In Job 3:23, " Why is light given to a man whose way is hidden, and whom God has hedged in?" Here we see God will hide people, tuck them away from society, and literally trap them into their situation, and they cannot get out of it. But yet, he gives them Spiritual knowledge, while he has them boxed in. I don't know, it could be the only way they could have learned?

Some of us are blessed, because God knows we could not handle the suffering that all who live in Christ, must endure. He knows what we can take. Experience in life can be totally differing than yours, continue to be thankful; I don't wonder about my blessings, most of my concern is " How long will I suffer today?" Every week I suffer, one thing or another. I long to be in a situation like yours, I am the only one in my family still working, my 3 sisters and my brother, are all on disability; don't have to work, but their disabilities are painful. So I can at least still work, a sure blessing.

I don't like the suffering, I have to ask God all the time to help me suffer well. One day the suffering will come, and we just have to depend on God to see us through. And ask him to help us understand Why the suffering, and in you're case, why not? Ask him, see what is revealed.
 
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Thanks everyone.

Was not expecting you to be so positive.

I think if anything, I was expecting someone to say "here is how you can learn to handle the blessing" but unfortunately it seems people think blessings are something you just receive (whether or not that is accurate I don't know, but there you go).
 
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