Works Relation to Salvation

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I'm so confused, you have stated over and over again we do not need to keep God's law, but now stating being in the flesh (sin) is opposed to God's law, which is what I have been saying for a while now which you have disagreed stating we do not need to keep God's law even in this very post, so which is it?

I sin, you sin, we all sin. And we do it on a daily basis. This is a fact. Stating the obvious is not the same as embracing sin, or saying sin is ok, or good, or godly. Sin comes from the flesh which is in adversarial opposition to God. That's the reason we sin every day. When we die, we will be free of the sinful flesh forever. Until then, God's grace must be enough for us.

If keeping God's laws is what maintains a right relationship with God, then we are all doomed to hell. Why? Because we don't keep God's laws. We break them every day of our lives. Repentance is not the same as obedience. Sinning every day and repenting every day is not the same as obeying every day. We need God's grace every day because we dissobey every day.

This should be evidence of the truth of the Scriptures... Ro 8:7 - the flesh is in adversarial opposition to God and cannot be made obedient to God's laws... Ro 8:10 - If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Which law are we freed from? It says the law of sin, not God's law.

The easiest way to understand the difference between "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" and "the law of sin and death" (from Romans 8:2 - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death") is to package it with it's precursor in Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord".

The law that those who are in Christ are under, the law of the Spirit, says there is life in Christ Jesus. Jesus coming to live in our hearts has set us free from the other law that lost people are still under, and that law says their sins earn them eternal death in hell. The sins of those in whom Christ lives do not earn them eternal death because they have been set free from the law that promises eternal death to sinners.

This is Christianity 101.

 

[Gary K]

The easiest way to understand the difference between "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" and "the law of sin and death" (from Romans 8:2 - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death") is to package it with it's precurser in Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord".

The law that those who are in Christ are under, the law of the Spirit, says there is life in Christ Jesus. Jesus coming to live in our hearts has set us free from the other law that lost people are still under, and that law says their sins earn them eternal death in hell. The sins of those in whom Christ lives do not earn them eternal death because they have been set free from the law that promises eternal death to sinners.

This is Christianity 101.

Is that really Christianity 101? Forgiveness of sins equals not needing to keep the law of God? I can deliberately break God's law and still not fear eternal death?

You might want to read my thread on ga'al as it tells a much different story.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Is that really Christianity 101? Forgiveness of sins equals not needing to keep the law of God? I can deliberately break God's law and still not fear eternal death?

You might want to read my thread on ga'al as it tells a much different story.

It is the most basic principle of Christianity. There is no escape from eternal death apart from Jesus forgiving our sins.

 

[Gary K]

It is the most basic principle of Christianity. There is no escape from eternal death apart from Jesus forgiving our sins.

So deliberate sin won't keep me out of heaven? In other words OSAS is true?

You didn't comment on the ga'al thread. Did you read it?

 

[Studyman]

You have already rejected my answer to this. I'll just give you this answer:

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” (Ga 3:10–12, Deut 27:26)​

Paul directly quotes Deuteronomy 27:26 from the Septuigant when he says those who place themselves under the law are under the curse. And "the law" referenced in Deut 27:26 is the law of God given to the Israelites which was anchored by the 10 commandments and was codified on the same day that God made the second copy of the 10 Commandments.

This is a perfect example of what I mean by taking one verse out of the rest of the Bible, then using it to justify a certain religious philosophy. If you would have simply shown the most basic decency, and answered the question I asked of you, we could have had an honest discussion about what it means for a man who sinned, to be under the "Works of the Law" for justification.

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Had you simply posted Moses words regarding the instruction for the common man that sinned before the Messiah comes, you would know what Paul is talking about regarding men who rely on, or are "Of the Law" Moses gave for the forgiveness of sins, or as Paul says "Justification".

If a man is relying on the Laws of Forgiveness that Moses promoted. That is, the LAW of works that I asked you to post from Moses' own words that you refuse to even acknowledge, then this man is cursed, because the blood of animals cannot take away man's transgression of God's Law. As a result, this man cannot sin, because as it is written, "cursed is the man that Sins", and the blood of animals cannot take away this curse. Only Christ can.

But that all men are in need of forgiveness is evident, as the Scriptures teach, "All man has sinned and falls short of the glory of God."

But the man that relies on the old Priesthood "works" for said forgiveness, he is cursed above all men, because the blood of animals cannot remove sin. Therefore, that man who relies on these works "of the Law" for forgiveness, is obligated to keep every precept of the law, because there is no forgiveness in these sacrifices. And because he has already sinned, and these sins are not forgiven, he is cursed above all men.

Sadly, you won't answer my question so you either don't know, or refuse to accept, what "Works" Moses promoted, that the Pharisees were still promoting, for the forgiveness of sins.

And you also won't even attempt to answer my other simple question;

" Did Jesus promote these same "works of the Law" in order to be forgiven? Or did HE promote a LAW in which HE, apart from these sacrificial "works", forgave sins?

While I long for honest discussion of scriptures, I tire of men who call Jesus Lord, but who refuse even the simplest and most common of courtesies and decencies of answering simple Biblical Questions.

Not much reason to continue in such discourse. Thanks for the discussion, such as it was.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

So deliberate sin won't keep me out of heaven? In other words OSAS is true?

The law of sin and death says the wages of sin is death. A person's sins earn him a wage, and the wage earned is death (eternal death). But the free gift of God (and a free gift by definition is not earned) is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Christianity has no concept of mankind surviving the eternal judgment of God outside sinless perfection (accomplished only by the man Jesus Christ) and forgiveness of sins (available from Jesus Christ to every other human being).

 

[Icyspark]

Are you saying that the entire law is separated into requirements, decrees, laws and commands? If so, what's the difference between a requirement and a decree and so on?

Hi Leaf473,

What I'm pointing out is what the Bible says. I didn't write that. I merely quote it. Do you agree that these are separate words and have individual meaning and purpose?

1. Requirements
2. Commands
3. Decrees
4. Laws​

What do you suppose is the difference between the United States Constitution and a city statute or ordinance?

Has anyone ever walked you through the differences between the Ten Commandments and all the other requirements, decrees and laws? We can discuss that if you want. Or I may even start up its own dedicated thread.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

This is a perfect example of what I mean by taking one verse out of the rest of the Bible, then using it to justify a certain religious philosophy. If you would have simply shown the most basic decency, and answered the question I asked of you, we could have had an honest discussion about what it means for a man who sinned, to be under the "Works of the Law" for justification.

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Had you simply posted Moses words regarding the instruction for the common man that sinned before the Messiah comes, you would know what Paul is talking about regarding men who rely on, or are "Of the Law" Moses gave for the forgiveness of sins, or as Paul says "Justification".

If a man is relying on the Laws of Forgiveness that Moses promoted. That is, the LAW of works that I asked you to post from Moses' own words that you refuse to even acknowledge, then this man is cursed, because the blood of animals cannot take away man's transgression of God's Law. As a result, this man cannot sin, because as it is written, "cursed is the man that Sins", and the blood of animals cannot take away this curse. Only Christ can.

But that all men are in need of forgiveness is evident, as the Scriptures teach, "All man has sinned and falls short of the glory of God."

But the man that relies on the old Priesthood "works" for said forgiveness, he is cursed above all men, because the blood of animals cannot remove sin. Therefore, that man who relies on these works "of the Law" for forgiveness, is obligated to keep every precept of the law, because there is no forgiveness in these sacrifices. And because he has already sinned, and these sins are not forgiven, he is cursed above all men.

Sadly, you won't answer my question so you either don't know, or refuse to accept, what "Works" Moses promoted, that the Pharisees were still promoting, for the forgiveness of sins.

And you also won't even attempt to answer my other simple question;

" Did Jesus promote these same "works of the Law" in order to be forgiven? Or did HE promote a LAW in which HE, apart from these sacrificial "works", forgave sins?

While I long for honest discussion of scriptures, I tire of men who call Jesus Lord, but who refuse even the simplest and most common of courtesies and decencies of answering simple Biblical Questions.

Not much reason to continue in such discourse. Thanks for the discussion, such as it was.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. If we agree that all men are sinners in need of a Savior, and that salvation is available to all only on the basis of Christ's sacrifice for our sins, then we agree on the main thing. This doesn't have much to do with the op ("works relation to salvation"), but maybe I misjudged the situation.

 

[Gary K]

The law of sin and death says the wages of sin is death. A person's sins earn him a wage, and the wage earned is death (eternal death). But the free gift of God (and a free gift by definition is not earned) is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Christianity has no concept of mankind surviving the eternal judgment of God outside sinless perfection (accomplished only by the man Jesus Christ) and forgiveness of sins (available from Jesus Christ to every other human being).

That again is untrue.

Job 1: 1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. ......
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?*n7

Revelation 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The word keep is translated from the Greek as:

[*StrongsGreek*]
05083
THRE/W τηρέω tēréō tay-reh'-o from τερός terós, (a watch; perhaps akin to 2334);
to guard (from loss or injury, properly, by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from 5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from 2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), i.e. to note (a prophecy; figuratively, to fulfil a command); by implication, to detain (in custody; figuratively, to maintain); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried):--hold fast, keep(- er), (pre-, re-)serve, watch.

The word testimony is translated from the Greek as:

[*StrongsGreek*]
03141
μαρτυρία martyría, mar-too-ree'-ah
from 3144;
evidence given (judicially or genitive case):--record, report, testimony, witness.

Paul used a very similar word in the Greek in 1Corinthians 1: 6.

[*StrongsGreek*]
03142
μαρτύριον martýrion, mar-too'-ree-on
neuter of a presumed derivative of 3144;
something evidential, i.e. (genitive case) evidence given or (specially), the Decalogue (in the sacred Tabernacle):--to be testified, testimony, witness.

Moses confirms this.

Exodus 25: 16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

[*StrongsHebrew*]
5715
עדוּת
‛êdûth ay-dooth'
Feminine of H5707; testimony: - {testimony} witness.

So here we have it. Sin is not necessary at all. Job was a perfect and upright man who lived according to God's law. If we read further into Job we see Job sought out the poor and needy and helped everyone as he was very wealthy. And there will be a people at the end who will keep God's law. Plus the testimony of Jesus is the law of God.

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

What I'm pointing out is what the Bible says. I didn't write that. I merely quote it.

Yes, I understand that. But I'm asking you what meaning you are taking away from what the Bible says

Do you agree that these are separate words and have individual meaning and purpose?

Yes, however they may also have overlapping meaning. Consider the English phrase "rules and regulations". What's the difference?

There is a difference in usage, but a lot of overlap in meaning.

1. Requirements
2. Commands
3. Decrees
4. Laws​

Do the scriptures say that the entire law is divided up into just those four categories?

What do you suppose is the difference between the United States Constitution and a city statute or ordinance?

They are different in that they are given by different authorities and cover different geographical areas. But they are the same in that they govern behavior.

Has anyone ever walked you through the differences between the Ten Commandments and all the other requirements, decrees and laws?

Several people have tried, but it usually breaks down and they stop answering. From my perspective, they stop answering when the questions get difficult.

Here's a link to an example.

We can discuss that if you want.

Sounds great!

Or I may even start up its own dedicated thread.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Whatever seems good to you

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

That again is untrue.

The word keep is translated from the Greek as:

[*StrongsGreek*]
05083
THRE/W τηρέω tēréō tay-reh'-o from τερός terós, (a watch; perhaps akin to 2334);
to guard (from loss or injury, properly, by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from 5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from 2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), i.e. to note (a prophecy; figuratively, to fulfil a command); by implication, to detain (in custody; figuratively, to maintain); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried):--hold fast, keep(- er), (pre-, re-)serve, watch.

The word testimony is translated from the Greek as:

[*StrongsGreek*]
03141
μαρτυρία martyría, mar-too-ree'-ah
from 3144;
evidence given (judicially or genitive case):--record, report, testimony, witness.

Paul used a very similar word in the Greek in 1Corinthians 1: 6.

[*StrongsGreek*]
03142
μαρτύριον martýrion, mar-too'-ree-on
neuter of a presumed derivative of 3144;
something evidential, i.e. (genitive case) evidence given or (specially), the Decalogue (in the sacred Tabernacle):--to be testified, testimony, witness.

Moses confirms this.

[*StrongsHebrew*]
5715
עדוּת
‛êdûth ay-dooth'
Feminine of H5707; testimony: - {testimony} witness.

So here we have it. Sin is not necessary at all. Job was a perfect and upright man who lived according to God's law. If we read further into Job we see Job sought out the poor and needy and helped everyone as he was very wealthy. And there will be a people at the end who will keep God's law. Plus the testimony of Jesus is the law of God.

Wow, dude. I don't even know what to say about that. I could quote many verses, like "there is not a just man upon the earth that doeth good and sinneth not" or "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" or "that no one will be justified by the law is evident, for the just shall live by faith", or "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" or "the condemnation that came from the one man spread to alll because all sinned" or "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ died in vain" or "If there could have been a law given that could have given life, then righteousness would have been by the law". But none of that would do any good if you reject the idea that no human being human will survive judment without the forgiveness that the Lord Jesus Christ offers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Wow, dude. I don't even know what to say about that. I could quote many verses, like "there is not a just man upon the earth that doeth good and sinneth not" or "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" or "that no one will be justified by the law is evident, for the just shall live by faith", or "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" or "the condemnation that came from the one man spread to alll because all sinned" or "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ died in vain" or "If there could have been a law given that could have given life, then righteousness would have been by the law". But none of that would do any good if you reject the idea that no human being human will survive judment without the forgiveness that the Lord Jesus Christ offers.

Our righteous comes from God by a changed heart through faith and love Rom 3:31, 1 John 5:3 John 14:15, Exo 20:6 Obeying God’s righteousness (right-doing) His law Psa 119:172 Rom 7:12 NIV and trusting what He asks of us is for our own good and not just hearing His Word, but doing it James 1:22 will lead us to righteousness Rom 6:16 Romans 2:13 and reconciliation Rev 22:14

I would recommend reading all of John 3 most people stop at John 3:16 and miss out on the whole context John 3:16-21 because if you read a bit further, there is more to our salvation than just believing. Believing is the first step but sadly many never progress from there and stay as hearers and not doers of God’s Word. We are blessed when we DO His Word and it reconciles us Rev 22:14 because it shows our faith in Christ has substance because faith is not passive, it is a call to action. Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 James 1:22 Rev 22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I sin, you sin, we all sin. And we do it on a daily basis. This is a fact. Stating the obvious is not the same as embracing sin, or saying sin is ok, or good, or godly. Sin comes from the flesh which is in adversarial opposition to God. That's the reason we sin every day. When we die, we will be free of the sinful flesh forever. Until then, God's grace must be enough for us.

If keeping God's laws is what maintains a right relationship with God, then we are all doomed to hell. Why? Because we don't keep God's laws. We break them every day of our lives. Repentance is not the same as obedience. Sinning every day and repenting every day is not the same as obeying every day. We need God's grace every day because we dissobey every day.

If one finds themselves sinning on a daily basis, they are not accepting the promises of the bible, that we can overcome sin. Here are two short videos based on the promises of scripture that we can overcome temptation, just like Jesus did.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

While we are all sinners, doesn't mean we have to keep sinning and live in perpetual sin, through Christ we can be victorious over sin.

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 1 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] Temptation comes to all people, but can we have victory over sin? Is it possible to be delivered from temptation? This talks discusses what the Bible says about the help Jesus offers us. This talk loo

www.amazingfacts.org

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 2 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] You cannot live in this world without being tempted. But is temptation sin? This broadcast looks at this question. It also looks at practical steps to overcome sin and have victory.

www.amazingfacts.org

This should be evidence of the truth of the Scriptures... Ro 8:7 - the flesh is in adversarial opposition to God and cannot be made obedient to God's laws... Ro 8:10 - If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin.

True, so if we see ourselves sinning daily, we are still walking in the flesh and cannot please God Rom 8:8 The law just points out our sin Rom 3:20 Romans 7:7 and those in faith keep God's law Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which is why we are told to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Many love darkness (sin) instead of coming to the light, but when we come to the light it exposes our sins so we can ask Jesus to forgive and overcome, which we can -because all things are possible though Christ Philippians 4:13, including obedience to Him through love and faith. 1 John 5:3, Rev 14:12 Rom 3:31 Exo 20:6 John 14:15. Jesus would not ask something that is impossible to do and gives us every resource to overcome. John 14:15-18

The teaching that we cannot overcome sin, is trusting in the wrong source.1 John 3:8 but through Christ we can be transformed, which requires our minds to be renewed, not just hearing God's law written in our hearts and minds, but living it (doing) through Christ.

Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Our righteous comes from God by a changed heart through faith and love Rom 3:31, 1 John 5:3 John 14:15, Exo 20:6 Obeying God’s righteousness (right-doing) His law Psa 119:172 Rom 7:12 NIV and trusting what He asks of us is for our own good and not just hearing His Word, but doing it James 1:22 will lead us to righteousness Rom 6:16 Romans 2:13 and reconciliation Rev 22:14

I would recommend reading all of John 3 most people stop at John 3:16 and miss out on the whole context John 3:16-21 because if you read a bit further, there is more to our salvation than just believing. Believing is the first step but sadly many never progress from there and stay as hearers and not doers of God’s Word. We are blessed when we DO His Word and it reconciles us Rev 22:14 because it shows our faith in Christ has substance because faith is not passive, it is a call to action. Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 James 1:22 Rev 22:14

I don't see how this relates to my response to Gary's outrageous claim that not everyone needs Jesus.

 

[Gary K]

Wow, dude. I don't even know what to say about that. I could quote many verses, like "there is not a just man upon the earth that doeth good and sinneth not" or "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" or "that no one will be justified by the law is evident, for the just shall live by faith", or "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" or "the condemnation that came from the one man spread to alll because all sinned" or "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ died in vain" or "If there could have been a law given that could have given life, then righteousness would have been by the law". But none of that would do any good if you reject the idea that no human being human will survive judment without the forgiveness that the Lord Jesus Christ offers.

I don't reject scripture. It seems you are the one rejecting it as the Bible tells us there there have been people translated directly to heaven and that God declared were perfect and will be keeping God's law at the end of time. Does that mean all those people never sinned in their lives? Of course not, so they still need to have their previous sins covered by the blood of Jesus.

Does perfect obedience from this day forward cover my past sins? NO. Thus the blood of Jesus is both necessary and sufficient in terms of logic.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't reject scripture. It seems you are the one rejecting it as the Bible tells us there there have been people translated directly to heaven and that God declared were perfect and will be keeping God's law at the end of time. Does that mean all those people never sinned in their lives? Of course not, so they still need to have their previous sins covered by the blood of Jesus.

No one said they never sinned, all have sinned, but that doesn't mean all keeps sinning and no one can overcome just like the hero's did in scripture as shown in Hebrews 11, so where am I rejecting it from the bible in any post you have responded to.

How are we covered by the blood of Christ? You seem to think once we come to Christ we stay in our sinful state and no need to do anything else and Christ blood covers us for everything we do regardless if we repent or not or try to overcome, but this is not a biblical teaching- there is no teaching that we can perpetually sin and be saved. Hebrews 10:26-30 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

Does perfect obedience from this day forward cover my past sins? NO. Thus the blood of Jesus is both necessary and sufficient in terms of logic.

No one ever said that they did, which is why Jesus had to become our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins- but its not a onetime event and Jesus covers our sins so we can keep on sinning. We must take up our cross daily. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

If one finds themselves sinning on a daily basis, they are not accepting the promises of the bible, that we can overcome sin.

So I take this to mean you are denying that you sin every day. Do you sin once a year? If so, does that mean you "are not accepting the promises of the Bible that we can overcome sin"? Where exactly do you draw the line?

Here are two short videos based on the promises of scripture that we can overcome temptation, just like Jesus did.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

While we are all sinners, doesn't mean we have to keep sinning and live in perpetual sin, through Christ we can be victorious over sin.

I am confused. You say we are all sinners on one hand, but then you say sinning means we are not accepting the promises of the Bible that we can overcome sin. Can we overcome sin, or are we all sinners?

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 1 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] Temptation comes to all people, but can we have victory over sin? Is it possible to be delivered from temptation? This talks discusses what the Bible says about the help Jesus offers us. This talk loo

www.amazingfacts.org

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 2 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] You cannot live in this world without being tempted. But is temptation sin? This broadcast looks at this question. It also looks at practical steps to overcome sin and have victory.

www.amazingfacts.org

True, so if we see ourselves sinning daily, we are still walking in the flesh and cannot please God Rom 8:8 The law just points out our sin Rom 3:20 Romans 7:7 and those in faith keep God's law Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which is why we are told to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Many love darkness (sin) instead of coming to the light, but when we come to the light it exposes our sins so we can ask Jesus to forgive and overcome, which we can -because all things are possible though Christ Philippians 4:13, including obedience to Him through love and faith. 1 John 5:3, Rev 14:12 Rom 3:31 Exo 20:6 John 14:15. Jesus would not ask something that is impossible to do and gives us every resource to overcome. John 14:15-18

The teaching that we cannot overcome sin, is trusting in the wrong source.1 John 3:8 but through Christ we can be transformed, which requires our minds to be renewed, not just hearing God's law written in our hearts and minds, but living it (doing) through Christ.

Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Rev 3:31 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't see how this relates to my response to Gary's outrageous claim that not everyone needs Jesus.

Thats not a claim he made.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So I take this to mean you are denying that you sin every day. Do you sin once a year? If so, does that mean you "are not accepting the promises of the Bible that we can overcome sin"? Where exactly do you draw the line?

Sorry you don't believe in the scriptures that God has a people who overcomes Rev 14:12, Rev 3:21, and God's Word is the manual to show us how to do it, but sadly many people read the promises and skips the part that requires our participation. James 1:22 Rev 22:14

I am confused. You say we are all sinners on one hand, but then you say sinning means we are not accepting the promises of the Bible that we can overcome sin. Can we overcome sin, or are we all sinners?

Do you understand the difference between sinned and sinning?

We all have sinned, but that doesn't mean though Christ we have to keep sinning, not unless we believe the devil has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin.