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So you saying you understand what I meant that it's OK to save spiritual life on Sabbath doesn't mean I'm not lying about what I said? Your sarcasm is getting pretty thick.
Yeah, it would be really stupid and hypocritical to say that saving phsical life is more important than spiritual life and I have said long ago here that I agree that it is good to save physical life and not think it's OK to save spiritual life.
I haven't taught school but I have taught a Sabbath School class and people seemed to like it and I've preached and gotten very good responses to my sermons. I was told my sermons were some of the best ever given at that church.If more than 1 reader don't understand what you meant, you could try to put yourself in their shoes and understand where they are coming from, and then phrase it in a clearer manner, like what I have done.
I take it that you have never taught in a school setting before?
I guess notIs there a difference between being saved by faith and through faith to you?
No. I just misunderstood you because of the winking smiley.You can understand what others are saying, without necessarily agreeing with them.
You never thought that was possible, is that why you think I was being sarcastic?
I guess not
Don't get hung up on the act, but mowing a lawn or another servent led task may be used as a mechanism for access into someone's life. That access may be used to share the gospel where otherwise that door was closed because not everyone welcomes the unsolicited gospel the same way but most react favourably to acts in kind. So mowing the law is not about mowing the law, it's about connecting with someone.
I quoted things you wrote in my posts #156 and #157. You can deny that you wrote the things attributed to do you in those quote boxes if you wish.How did I know you wouldn't quote me? I've already reread this entire thread and I've never said what you and DamianWarS claim I did.
Great! I'm glad he was able to make sense out of what you were sayingGuojing and I agree on hardly anything but he says I'm telling the truth.
If I wronged you, I readily repent and ask you to forgive me.This is the last time I ever trust you unless you repent and apologize4.
I said those things to you because you refused to believe me. You even quoted my post when I said saving spiritual life is part and parcel of keeping the Sabbath. And you can't understand that either. Sorry. I'm flat out telling you you are brainwashed into your beliefs. There is no other way to explain your your inability to understand the written word.You too. You ignore my post explaining all of the misunderstanding to keep complaining I said something I never said?
Radio/tv/internet or other forms of mass media can all be effective tools for the spreading the gospel. So can being kind to your neighbour. Just because something else is happening doesn't mean we should stop connecting with people and stop sharing the gospel or stop doing good things.I see, so it's OK to break God's Commandments, to preach to someone who doesn't want preached to? This widow you are trying to save, does she have a TV? A radio? Or are you talking about a poor widow secluded off grid in America in 2022, who has never heard of the Bible or Jesus, or who can't read and doesn't like unsolicited visitors?
How does that work? Do you make a deal with this poor widow? "Hey, if you listen to me promote my religion for 30 minutes, I'll mow your lawn on God's Holy Sabbath?
Fascinating.
Hi Gary, I'm assuming that you're talking to me in that post.I said those things to you because you refused to believe me. You even quoted my post when I said saving spiritual life is part and parcel of keeping the Sabbath. And you can't understand that either. Sorry. I'm flat out telling you you are brainwashed into your beliefs. There is no other way to explain your your inability to understand the written word.
I can see normal people disagreeing with me, but you cannot understand what I say. That is a vast difference. At first I thought you two were being dishonest, but this is far worse than that.
May we break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life?
Gary, the "that" which you say we cannot do refers to "break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life".That's such an obvious answer I couldn't believe you asked the question. No, we cannot break the Sabbath rest to do that. That is part and parcel of resting on Sabbath.
There you go again completely misunderstanding me. I don't know what to say to you any further on the subject. I'll just have to msay goodbye to you on this subject.Hi Gary, I'm assuming that you're talking to me in that post.
Here is the exchange from post #157
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First we have this post, quoted here in its entirety:
Which is responded to with this, again quoted here in its entirety:
Gary, the "that" which you say we cannot do refers to "break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life".
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Now, am I confused as to what your position is? Yes. Is it because I am spiritually blind? Possibly. Or there may be something else going on.
Are you saying that we cannot break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life?
You could give some real-life examples of what you're saying.There you go again completely misunderstanding me. I don't know what to say to you any further on the subject.
As you wish. Have a good one!I'll just have to msay goodbye to you on this subject.
I know I have in giving examples such as coming here on Sabbath and discussing the Sabbath. I don't know how I can any better example than that but it didn't make any difference.You could give some real-life examples of what you're saying.
As you wish. Have a good one!
I don't know if it is just semantics but it seems to me that the circumcised could only be saved with good works and obedience to the 613 Levitical laws. The uncircumcised have been saved through their faith with their works being a measuring stick of how deep their faith is. It would seem that there is a difference because obedience to Levitical law does not require a personal relationship with God or faith. It seems one could believe whatever they want to in their and as long as they are obedient, they are right with God and their fellow man. The Christian view would indicate that your works are the evidence of your faith while in the old covenant, one is not required to have faith in God but simply obey his commandments.One clue is given in Hebrews 11, which is written to the Jews.
Do you notice, that all those OT saints, by faith requires a corresponding action from each of them?
So you are correct, for the circumcised, work is absolutely necessary to be saved by faith.
But the elephant in the room is, why did Paul deliberately mentioned that the uncircumcised are saved through faith, if there is no difference between the 2?
The uncircumcised have been saved through their faith with their works being a measuring stick of how deep their faith is.
So you believe God is unjust and a respecter of persons?I don't know if it is just semantics but it seems to me that the circumcised could only be saved with good works and obedience to the 613 Levitical laws. The uncircumcised have been saved through their faith with their works being a measuring stick of how deep their faith is. It would seem that there is a difference because obedience to Levitical law does not require a personal relationship with God or faith. It seems one could believe whatever they want to in their and as long as they are obedient, they are right with God and their fellow man. The Christian view would indicate that your works are the evidence of your faith while in the old covenant, one is not required to have faith in God but simply obey his commandments.
Act_10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Both?Do you think its possible that, through faith does not mean through their faith but rather through the faith of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9, Galatians 2:16)?
I'm not sure what you are responding to but I believe God gave us justice through Christ. I guess I don't know what a respecter of persons applies to. What does that really mean? What are you really getting at?So you believe God is unjust and a respecter of persons?
The post of yours that I replied to very strongly implies that God makes a difference between Jews and Gentiles in how He treats them. It implies that God requires obedience from Jews but not from Gentiles.I'm not sure what you are responding to but I believe God gave us justice through Christ. I guess I don't know what a respecter of persons applies to. What does that really mean? What are you really getting at?
I don't know if it is just semantics but it seems to me that the circumcised could only be saved with good works and obedience to the 613 Levitical laws. The uncircumcised have been saved through their faith with their works being a measuring stick of how deep their faith is. It would seem that there is a difference because obedience to Levitical law does not require a personal relationship with God or faith. It seems one could believe whatever they want to in their and as long as they are obedient, they are right with God and their fellow man.
Deu_32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Hab_2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
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