Works Relation to Salvation

[Gary K]

Which post is that?


I quoted your post in it's entirety, Gary It is what you said.

Just right up this thread . You posted right after it. I think some ego crept into the post that confused you as I was getting pretty amused by you two not understanding me, and I shouldn't have made it a little confusing but even then you're smart enough to understand it.

 

[Leaf473]

Just right up this thread . You posted right after it.

Yes, and after a little research it was obvious that

Gary, the "that" which you say we cannot do refers to "break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life".

I think some ego crept into the post that confused you as I was getting pretty amused by you two not understanding me, and I shouldn't have made it a little confusing but even then you're smart enough to understand it.

Gary, my man, if it were just you and me talking here on CF, I could suspect that I was losing my mind.

However, given that I have encountered two other users - people who are known for writing carefully reasoned posts -
who have had exchanges with you which left them saying in so many words that you are irrational, I'm going to go with what amounts to three witnesses

I love you, man
This wasn't an easy post to write.

 

[Gary K]

Yes, and after a little research it was obvious that




Gary, my man, if it were just you and me talking here on CF, I could suspect that I was losing my mind.

However, given that I have encountered two other users - people who are known for writing carefully reasoned posts -
who have had exchanges with you which left them saying in so many words that you are irrational, I'm going to go with what amounts to three witnesses

I love you, man
This wasn't an easy post to write.

Oh, well. Most of the Sabbath keepers here have the same thing said about them. It was obvious that what?

My meaning is that it's impossible to break the Sabbath by spreading the Gospel, i. e, discussing God. How anyone can think that is breaking the Sabbath is beyond me. But if you want to believe that makes me irrational have at it.

That is completely in agreement with my behavior as I routinely come here to discuss the Sabbath on Sabbath. So, I guess that you've considered me irrational from the first I came here on Sabbath and discussed the Sabbath and you will continue to do that every time I do it in the future. ***shrugs***

 

[Leaf473]

Oh, well. Most of the Sabbath keepers here have the same thing said about them. It was obvious that what?

My meaning is that it's impossible to break the Sabbath by spreading the Gospel, i. e, discussing God. How anyone can think that is breaking the Sabbath is beyond me. But if you want to believe that makes me irrational have at it.

That is completely in agreement with my behavior as I routinely come here to discuss the Sabbath on Sabbath.

So, I guess that you've considered me irrational from the first I came here...

No, it wasn't until you contradicted yourself more than once and then denied saying things you obviously said.

...on Sabbath and discussed the Sabbath and you will continue to do that every time I do it in the future. ***shrugs***

 

[Gary K]

No, it wasn't until you contradicted yourself more than once and then denied saying things you obviously said.

I have not contradicted myself. I showed you the explanation and you still can not believe it. Like I've said you are sm positive your view is the only correct one that even multiple times of being told I never said it you don't believe me. Sorry, but that looks like a case of being fully indoctrinated as people who have been thoroughly brainwashed become unable to understand anything which contradicts what they were indoctrinated into. They literally become unable to understand what they read or hear.

 

[Leaf473]

I have not contradicted myself. I showed you the explanation and you still can not believe it. Like I've said you are sm positive your view is the only correct one that...

...even multiple times of being told I never said it you don't believe me.

I don't believe you because I found the place where you said it

But if you want to believe I'm fully indoctrinated, that's fine.

Peace be with you, my friend!

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 24:36 - New International Reader's Version

Jesus Appears to the Disciples - The disciples were still talking about this when Jesus himself suddenly stood among them. He said, “May you have peace!”

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Sorry, but that looks like a case of being fully indoctrinated as people who have been thoroughly brainwashed become unable to understand anything which contradicts what they were indoctrinated into. They literally become unable to understand what they read or hear.

 

[Gary K]

I don't believe you because I found the place where you said it

But if you want to believe I'm fully indoctrinated, that's fine.

Peace be with you, my friend!

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 24:36 - New International Reader's Version

Jesus Appears to the Disciples - The disciples were still talking about this when Jesus himself suddenly stood among them. He said, “May you have peace!”

www.biblegateway.com

Quote it to me. Prove me wrong. If I've been wrong about this all this time I want to know about it so I can apologize..

 

[rturner76]

Works are evidence of your faith.

Romans 2:13

Lawkeeping alone will not justify them, but God expects that someone who has faith in Christ to keep His law. Therefore it is good to do it because works are evidence of what one has faith in. Without works, God would never be sure.

 

[Leaf473]

Quote it to me. Prove me wrong. If I've been wrong about this all this time I want to know about it so I can apologize..

We've been over this already, Gary. You can always scroll back up through the thread when you wish

Let's praise the Lord together. Here's two threads that I post on sometimes, but I'd like to post on a lot more often

a song! Let us sing on behalf of the saints, and bring delights to our Lord.

Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to him belong; they are weak, but he is strong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! The Bible tells me so.

www.christianforums.com

Verses of Praise/Encouragement

Hallelujah! I will give thanks to the Lord with my whole heart, in the council of the upright, and in the congregation. Psalm 111

www.christianforums.com

 

[DamianWarS]

How is mowing some random lawn, saving a spiritual life?

Don't get hung up on the act, but mowing a lawn or another servent led task may be used as a mechanism for access into someone's life. That access may be used to share the gospel where otherwise that door was closed because not everyone welcomes the unsolicited gospel the same way but most react favourably to acts in kind. So mowing the law is not about mowing the law, it's about connecting with someone.

 

[Guojing]

Great! Then please explain the following exchange.

I extended you this invitation


You responded with

That indicates that you don't believe that saving life on the Sabbath is acceptable.

So I said


Then you said this

So something weird is going on there, Gary my man

Nice, I can understand better his unique way of understanding forum posts, with this discussion.

 

[Guojing]

Gary, the "that" which you say we cannot do refers to "break Sabbath rest to save spiritual life".

Again, something weird is going on.

That's such an obvious answer I couldn't believe you asked the question. No, we cannot break the Sabbath rest to do that. That is part and parcel of resting on Sabbath.

I think what Gary is trying to imply by his statement is this

Premise: Saving spiritual life is part and parcel of "resting on Sabbath"

Conclusion: So, no, doing that (aka saving spiritual life) on the Sabbath day will not result in an SDA breaking the Sabbath.

So you can keep the Sabbath and still save spiritual life on the Sabbath day.

 

[DamianWarS]

Conclusion: So, no, doing that (aka saving spiritual life) on the Sabbath day will not result in an SDA breaking the Sabbath.

Christ said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. The conversation was never about breaking the Sabbath, but breaking rest to do good while still being lawful as Christ says.

 

[Guojing]

Christ said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. The conversation was never about breaking the Sabbath, but breaking rest to do good while still being lawful as Christ says.

Yes, so if I understood correctly what Gary meant there, if you are only talking about doing good as saving spiritual life, he is agreeing with you.

 

[Guojing]

Works are evidence of your faith.

Romans 2:13

Lawkeeping alone will not justify them, but God expects that someone who has faith in Christ to keep His law. Therefore it is good to do it because works are evidence of what one has faith in. Without works, God would never be sure.

How would you understand what Paul is saying here in Romans 3:30?

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith”

Is there a difference between being saved by faith and through faith to you?

 

[DamianWarS]

Yes, so if I understood correctly what Gary meant there, if you are only talking about doing good as saving spiritual life, he is agreeing with you.

My language has always been about breaking rest not about breaking the Sabbath. Gary has rejected the idea of breaking rest to do this and also rejected saying this and I can't get more clarity so had to abandon my efforts. He may view aspects innate to the Sabbath but (in my interpretation of what he's saying) with the caveat that you may not break rest. That may be nice, but that's not the question, the question is about breaking rest....

Christ does not use the language "breaking rest" in Mat 12:12 but when looking at the act of saving a sheep trapped in a pit that's exactly what would happen and I'm not really sure another way around it. I think it's responsible to say in order to save a sheep in distress it is lawful to break your rest. Since it is lawful it is only rest that is broken not Sabbath. I have advocated this extends to the spiritual as well that we may also break our rest to save spiritual life without breaking the Sabbath.

 

[Gary K]

We've been over this already, Gary. You can always scroll back up through the thread when you wish

Let's praise the Lord together. Here's two threads that I post on sometimes, but I'd like to post on a lot more often

a song! Let us sing on behalf of the saints, and bring delights to our Lord.

Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to him belong; they are weak, but he is strong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! The Bible tells me so.

www.christianforums.com

Verses of Praise/Encouragement

Hallelujah! I will give thanks to the Lord with my whole heart, in the council of the upright, and in the congregation. Psalm 111

www.christianforums.com

and DamianWarS claim I

How did I know you wouldn't quote me? I've already reread this entire thread and I've never said what you and DamianWarS claim I did. Guojing and I agree on hardly anything but he says I'm telling the truth.

This is the last time I ever trust you unless you repent and apologize4.

 

[Guojing]

Guojing and I agree on hardly anything but he says I'm telling the truth.

As I said, you have a very unique way of understanding what other people meant in their forum posts.

Just because I understand what you are saying, does not imply I am saying you are telling the truth.

 

[Gary K]

I think what Gary is trying to imply by his statement is this

Premise: Saving spiritual life is part and parcel of "resting on Sabbath"

Conclusion: So, no, doing that (aka saving spiritual life) on the Sabbath day will not result in an SDA breaking the Sabbath.

So you can keep the Sabbath and still save spiritual life on the Sabbath day.

Yeah, it would be really stupid and hypocritical to say that saving phsical life is more important than spiritual life and I have said long ago here that I agree that it is good to save physical life and not think it's OK to save spiritual life.

 

[Gary K]

As I said, you have a very unique way of understanding what other people meant in their forum posts.

Just because I understand what you are saying, does not imply I am saying you are telling the truth.

So you saying you understand what I meant that it's OK to save spiritual life on Sabbath doesn't mean I'm not lying about what I said? Your sarcasm is getting pretty thick.