Wondering if you can give me some good reasons why masturbation is a bad thing.

JacktheCatholic · Nov 17, 2007

Droppo said:
How do you know it's a sin? If you personally aren't comfortable with it and don't want any part of it, that's one thing, but arbitrarily making up sins based on wild assumptions is quite another.

If anybody really does have something concrete on the matter, I would really like to learn more. I've never encountered anything in the Bible that forbids masturbation, and it's function as a part of healthy human sexuality makes it seem unlikely that there's any reason to assume it's sinful.

I was born into sin. Sin feels good at times. I love to see beautiful women either naked or very revealing because lust send a warm feeling all through me and awakens chemicals in my body which give me a high.

But Lust is still a sin.

There were times in my life that I would really have enjoyed hurting or torturing or killing someone. I am sure it would have felt good at first and the times i did act it did feel good.

Sin is all around us and we have something left over after baptism that still makes us want to sin. In this world mixed with evil and good that is only natural.

But for the learned and those exposed to the Truth of Jesus and his teachings we know that sin is something we battle in the world. If we win the battle and get to heaven then we will be without evil and there will be no sin and we will not have these conflicts in us.

Point I am making if you can see it... just because it makes you feel good does not mean it is good.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

JacktheCatholic said:
Does the Bible mention Necrophylia?

(also see my post at #86)

He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days.
(Num 19:11 KJV)

And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.
(Num 19:16 KJV)

Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
(Num 9:10 KJV)

And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day: And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
(Num 9:6-7 KJV)

There is enough about how dead bodies make a person 'unclean' to determine that sex with a dead body is wrong, yes.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

JacktheCatholic said:
But Lust is still a sin.
.

Lust is a sin....sexual desire is not.

Without sexual desire BEFORE marriage, it is VERY unlikely that the human race would have survived.

Droppo · Nov 17, 2007

JacktheCatholic said:
I was born into sin. Sin feels good at times. I love to see beautiful women either naked or very revealing because lust send a warm feeling all through me and awakens chemicals in my body which give me a high.

But Lust is still a sin.

There were times in my life that I would really have enjoyed hurting or torturing or killing someone. I am sure it would have felt good at first and the times i did act it did feel good.

Sin is all around us and we have something left over after baptism that still makes us want to sin. In this world mixed with evil and good that is only natural.

But for the learned and those exposed to the Truth of Jesus and his teachings we know that sin is something we battle in the world. If we win the battle and get to heaven then we will be without evil and there will be no sin and we will not have these conflicts in us.

Point I am making if you can see it... just because it makes you feel good does not mean it is good.

Just because it feels good doesn't mean it's bad either. I love the feeling of a hot shower after a long day's work. That's not a sin.

I still can't find a single scripture in the Bible that flat out says that masturbation is sinful. At best it can be weaseled in, but adding to scripture is in itself a sin.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

let me also say that Im not for or against MB.
My point is simply that it is not something that is covered in scripture and we need to be very careful not to ADD our own sense of morality to Gods law.
Maybe it's wrong, maybe it isn't.
A person who is trying to decide needs to read Gods Word, not a catechism, and spend time in honest prayer on the matter.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Also, JackCatholic, there is another issue concering necrophylia

Scripture as a whole shows that sexual relations with another human being is SOLELY permissible with our spouse within the confines of a lawful marriage.
Having sex with a corpse is 'sin' by default because it is not with our spouse we are married to.

We cant use this to say that sex with our dead spouse is 'ok' because at death, the 'law of the husband' no longer exists (as proven in 1 Cor 7:39) and as such that marriage is over when one spouse dies.

Sex with a corpse is 'sin' by default...

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

Calliso said:
Of course people can think about their spouses when they touch where did you get the idea that they can;t? I mean what if a couple has to abstain for long periods of time? For instance to avoid pregnancy right or probably a better example if one spouse is in the military and will be away from home for many monthes. What if one spouse is too tired? I think as long as both spouses are ok with MB it is fine. I know my husband is ok with it..and it is no skin off my back if he does it as well!

Abstaining is just that: abstaining.

Self-control is a spiritual fruit.

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

Droppo said:
How do you know it's a sin? If you personally aren't comfortable with it and don't want any part of it, that's one thing, but arbitrarily making up sins based on wild assumptions is quite another.

If anybody really does have something concrete on the matter, I would really like to learn more. I've never encountered anything in the Bible that forbids masturbation, and it's function as a part of healthy human sexuality makes it seem unlikely that there's any reason to assume it's sinful.

How do you know it functions as part of healthy human sexuality?

You read too many secular articles, methinks.

Masturbation is a dissipator of deep intimate love in a Christian married couple.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Abstaining is just that: abstaining.

Self-control is a spiritual fruit.

BUT....

Scripture fully acknowledges that self control is a problem in the sexual realm.

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
(1Co 7:9 KJV)

"cannot"
G3756
1) no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer

"contain"
G1467
eng-krat-yoo'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1468; to exercise self restraint (in diet and chastity): - can([-not]) contain, be temperate.

Now, what if this person 'CANNOT' contain, is overwhelmed by desire, yet can find no suitable, agreeable mate?

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Now, what if this person 'CANNOT' contain, is overwhelmed by desire, yet can find no suitable, agreeable mate?

And lets expand on this one...

What if the person 'cannot contain' and HAS found a mate who has chosen to make a game of ignoring their conjugal duties ?

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

HuntingMan said:
BUT....

Scripture fully acknowledges that self control is a problem in the sexual realm.

It is a virtue of the Holy Spirit working in a life. It is evidence of the life of Christ in a believer.

Now, what if this person 'CANNOT' contain, is overwhelmed by desire, yet can find no suitable, agreeable mate?

Then he/she must remain single until God provides a mate. Abstain from sexual activity, period. It's not impossible in a life in Christ. He is more than capable of taking care of our desires and putting them in proper perspective.

If you want to be pure in God, then you can be. If you don't want to be, then you will find yourself a loophole every time. God isn't pleased by it.

Droppo · Nov 17, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
How do you know it functions as part of healthy human sexuality?

You read too many secular articles, methinks.

Masturbation is a dissipator of deep intimate love in a Christian married couple.

How is it a dissipater? Is that based on scripture or studies I'm not familiar with?

I know it functions as part of healthy human sexuality because that's common sense. Outside of that, it's been found to lower blood pressure, increase fertility, relieve depression, and help prevent prostate cancer among other things.

http://sexuality.about.com/od/masturbation/p/masturbation_fx.htm

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

Droppo said:
How is it a dissipater? Is that based on scripture or studies I'm not familiar with?

I know it functions as part of healthy human sexuality because that's common sense. Outside of that, it's been found to lower blood pressure, increase fertility, relieve depression, and help prevent prostate cancer among other things.

http://sexuality.about.com/od/masturbation/p/masturbation_fx.htm

Ridiculous. The benefits are gained by regular sexual intercourse with one's spouse. Obviously, the way God intended.

Droppo · Nov 17, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Ridiculous. The benefits are gained by regular sexual intercourse with one's spouse. Obviously, the way God intended.

But why would God not want people to touch? Not everybody has a partner, and some never will. Pent up sexual tension is really, really unhealthy.

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
It is a virtue of the Holy Spirit working in a life. It is evidence of the life of Christ in a believer.

Apparently you and Paul have a different point of view.
Paul shows that some 'CANNOT contain'.
Are you saying that Paul is claiming that the Holy Spirit is somehow not doing His job with these who CANNOT contain ?

Then he/she must remain single until God provides a mate.

Click to expand...

This doesnt seem relevant to this discussion or my post.

Abstain from sexual activity, period.

Click to expand...

MB is hardly sexual activity that is forbidden in Gods word.
Youre having to really stretch the intent and meaning of things here to make your views work.

It's not impossible in a life in Christ.

Click to expand...

Did you even READ my post ?
What did Paul say again ?

"If they CANNOT contain"

Lets let that SAY what it says, ok ?
Jesus Himself in the gospels shows that celibacy is given to some...not to all.

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
(Mat 19:11-12 KJV)

Again, your views seem to be slightly different from Pauls and our Lords who show that some CANNOT contain.

If Im hearing you right, you seem to have to believe that the Spirit isnt helping a whole lot if someone 'CANNOT contain' as Paul points out.

He is more than capable of taking care of our desires and putting them in proper perspective.

And apparently HE has chosen to not remove sexual desire from 'all men' but only those whom He choses.

If you want to be pure in God, then you can be. If you don't want to be, then you will find yourself a loophole every time. God isn't pleased by it.

And if YOU want to be pure in Gods eyes, dont ADD law to His word to suit your own sense of morality.

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

Droppo said:
But why would God not want people to touch? Not everybody has a partner, and some never will. Pent up sexual tension is really, really unhealthy.

No it isn't! That's a lie the world has dreamed up.

Serving God takes care of idle thoughts and fleshly desires.

Floatingaxe · Nov 17, 2007

Paul shows that some 'CANNOT contain'.

Paul says in that case--marry!

Droppo · Nov 17, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
No it isn't! That's a lie the world has dreamed up.

Serving God takes care of idle thoughts and fleshly desires.

But when did God ever say that masturbation was a sin?

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Removed so that no one is offended and FA doesnt feel that she wants to leave the thread.

My knowing the answer isnt what matters. Admission to the facts is all that is

HuntingMan · Nov 17, 2007

Paul says in that case--marry!

AND WE COVERED THIS !
Not everyone can FIND a spouse !
Youre being somewhat naive if you say that they can.
A woman can pretty much go to a bar and find a man to marry.
A man, however, doesnt have it that easy most of the time.

Wondering if you can give me some good reasons why masturbation is a bad thing.

Praise be to Jesus Christ. Now and forever.

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