Wondering if you can give me some good reasons why masturbation is a bad thing.

[dayhiker]

I don't find anywhere that the Bible teaches that masturbation is a sin. But I do find that the Bible teaches adding to God's word is a sin. So I'd expect those that feel masturbation is a sin to have a lot of problems in their life. Indeed that is what I've read over and over as I've studied this topic thru the years.

One of the most telling was a boy down the street from me who just after I got out of High School who cut off his penis because his church taught him that masturbation was a sin.

Also I've talked to a number of teens that have turned their backs on God because they couldn't stop masturbating. So I find that this teaching that masturbation is sin cause more harm than it does good.

But as Paul teaches in Rom.13 and 14, if you think something is sin, then its sin for you. So you had better stop.

But those that don't see masturbation as sin, then I say thank God for the wonder of how He created us as sexual beings. Learn to relax and enjoy the feelings and how to control them so when your with your wife you both can enjoy the wonder of our sexuality.

Praise the Lord,
dayhiker

 

[dayhiker]

unclean from wet dreams .... well, then make sure you have on clothes that have only one kind of thread in them when you go before God or you will be unclean when you try to pray!

dayhiker

 

[Dannager]

I think we shoud go to the catechism for this.

You're more than welcome to, if you've got any doubts as to church teaching. I'm quite certain that the catechism agrees with you.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Here is the deal, you may believe it is a sin and you may believe it is not, but the fact of the matter is that sooner or later you will go blind.

 

[Calliso]

Here is the deal, you may believe it is a sin and you may believe it is not, but the fact of the matter is that sooner or later you will go blind.

Umm I hope you really donlt believe that....cause it is so untrue.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Here is the deal, you may believe it is a sin and you may believe it is not, but the fact of the matter is that sooner or later you will go blind.

I think that saying is "too much sex will make you go blind".

 

[BAFRIEND]

Umm I hope you really donlt believe that....cause it is so untrue.

No it is true- when I was in 7th grade my vision was 20/19. By the end of 8th grade it was 60/40 and I had to start wearing glasses.

 

[Calliso]

No it is true- when I was in 7th grade my vision was 20/19. By the end of 8th grade it was 60/40 and I had to start wearing glasses.

Doesnlt mean you are going to go blind though. My eyes are getting worse too..but being that I have worn glasses my whole life that is to be expected.

 

[HuntingMan]

So, any takers?

Not sure if its been mentioned yet, but, you'll go blind...

 

[HuntingMan]

There is an Old Testament story which tells of a brother that married his deceased brother's wife and God wanted him to be fruitful with her. But he kept spilling the sperm outside of her. This made God very upset...

Onan.
Inapplicable.

Onan wasnt masturbating firstly, and he was ignoring a direct order to give his dead brothers wife seed.
Onans sin has nothing to do with masturbation except in the furthest stretch of the imagination.

 

[HuntingMan]

The story you're thinking of (Onan) was not about masturbation at all but rather coitus interruptus. He was punished for disobeying God's command to father a child with his deceased brother's wife.

Well, I'll be....we agree on something

 

[HuntingMan]

Anyone telling you it's sinful, rest assured they did it themselves.

Yeeeah... I could share quite a list of MBs who when asked point blank will admit it after the initial shock is over.
My experience has been that those who cry the loudest against something usually are buried knee deep in it

 

[HuntingMan]

I think we shoud go to the catechism for this.

Why ?
Im anathema as far as the CC goes, Im sure. And Im not interested in the least about what the catechism says on the matter. The canon Scripture is all that matters.

 

[HuntingMan]

Sex is for Procreation alone and we are blessed with good feelings for it.

Where on earth did you get this at?
It must be in the catechism because nothing in Gods word even remotely states as much.
Sex is for a man and woman to share and bearing children from it is a secondary issue.

God said it was not good for man to be alone and gave man a being of the opposite sex. He didnt give man 10 kids to keep after.

 

[Droppo]

Scripturally, I've never found anything saying it's wrong.

Biologically and psychologically, it's a very good thing. It's an integral part of healthy sexuality for every human being, especially throughout puberty.

So, as for me, I can't think of anything wrong with it.

 

[Calliso]

Scripturally, I've never found anything saying it's wrong.

Biologically and psychologically, it's a very good thing. It's an integral part of healthy sexuality for every human being, especially throughout puberty.

So, as for me, I can't think of anything wrong with it.

Yeah this sums up how I feel on this as well lol.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Where on earth did you get this at?
It must be in the catechism because nothing in Gods word even remotely states as much.
Sex is for a man and woman to share and bearing children from it is a secondary issue.

God said it was not good for man to be alone and gave man a being of the opposite sex. He didnt give man 10 kids to keep after.

The openness to fertility


1652 "By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."162

• Children are the supreme gift of marriage and contribute greatly to the good of the parents themselves. God himself said: "It is not good that man should be alone," and "from the beginning [he] made them male and female"; wishing to associate them in a special way in his own creative work, God blessed man and woman with the words: "Be fruitful and multiply." Hence, true married love and the whole structure of family life which results from it, without diminishment of the other ends of marriage, are directed to disposing the spouses to cooperate valiantly with the love of the Creator and Savior, who through them will increase and enrich his family from day to day.163

1653 The fruitfulness of conjugal love extends to the fruits of the moral, spiritual, and supernatural life that parents hand on to their children by education. Parents are the principal and first educators of their children.164 In this sense the fundamental task of marriage and family is to be at the service of life.165

1654 Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

You're more than welcome to, if you've got any doubts as to church teaching. I'm quite certain that the catechism agrees with you.

Yes I do have doubts as to my memory at times but I think it important to post this because I see so many Catholics in here and I know one that seems to think it is OK.

By the way "Gravely disordered" is like saying Mortal Sin.

I pray this helps someone. Shalom and God Bless.


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Offenses against chastity


2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors that can lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

2355 Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.140 Prostitution is a social scourge. It usually involves women, but also men, children, and adolescents (The latter two cases involve the added sin of scandal.). While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure.

2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I follow the rules of the RCC, but you can't argue from the Catechism of the RCC in mixed company and it takes it off topic anyway.

Anyone telling you it's sinful, rest assured they did it themselves.

It is sinful and no I don't deny anything. But I have also lied and been a thief in my life, that is not the point now is it ?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Also, it is disheartening and embarrassing when a fellow Catholic proliferates sin and goes against the teaching of the Church.