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Understood. So would you say the word God can sometimes mean a union, or perhaps a celestial government, or something similar?Yes. But the underlying doctrine is always understood. They are only one in purpose, not in essence/substance.
EDIT: It seems to me every attribite of trinitarian concept of God can be categorized as:
Of these, (2) and (3) are the traits of a person, not a thing. For a person can but a thing can't reason (2), and a person can but a thing can't feel emotions (3).
- That which is omnipotent
- That which is omniscient
- That which is omni-benevolent
Of these, (1) is the only trait a thing can possess, because a thing can be powerful. For example, the sun of our solar system produces great atomic power
I'm not sure about the word 'union', unless you mean a unity of purpose. But a celestial government is OK.Understood. So would you say the word God can sometimes mean a union, or perhaps a celestial government, or something similar?
EDIT: BTW, I'm not trying to trip you up or win some debate. Just wondering what your opinion is.
Yes, a kind of spiritual rule of three persons--God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. Would you say this "government" is a:I'm not sure about the word 'union', unless you mean a unity of purpose. But a celestial government is OK.
Godhead is the biblical word that comes to my mind, rather than Trinity.
In my thought, the nearest thing we mortals have to the unity experience by the Father, Son, Spirit, is the unity experienced in an perfect-perfect marriage/family. Even that analogy is a loooooooong way off (we simply can't think past our self-absorbed-sinful-habits), but it's a least headed in the right direction....
Yes, a kind of spiritual rule of three persons--God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. Would you say this "government" is a:
Which best defines a "government"?
- person made up of three persons, or
- place made up of three persons, or
- thing made up of three persons?
In my thought, the nearest thing we mortals have to the unity experience by the Father, Son, Spirit, is the unity experienced in an perfect-perfect marriage/family. Even that analogy is a loooooooong way off (we simply can't think past our self-absorbed-sinful-habits), but it's a least headed in the right direction.
And LDS will readily agree with that.Even trinitarians say there's a close relationship between the Father, Son and Spirit, akin to a family, but also the three are in control of the earth, making sure the Father's will, will eventually be done.
*bump*Kiwi Christian--
I am feeling like you're not reading anything I'm posting, but are instead just interested in posting what you think I believe. If you're interested in listening and actually learning LDS beliefs, please indicate thus. If you're not interested in actually listening to me, please indicate thus.
Telling me honestly whether or not you are interested in listening will greatly improve both of our time usage.
And LDS will readily agree with that.
I was the Mormon that accepted the idea that we are poytheistic. But you did not mention that I stipulated that although I can view our belief in a polytheistic way, it is not the same as the pagan Greek and Roman polytheistic mumbo jumbo.
Their gods are immoral, greedy, mischievous, fight each other, fornicate with each other, etc., etc., etc.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the HS are 3 separate Persons, but are so unified in Their purpose that it is as if They are one God.
It is of course, night and day different than pagan polytheism. Just to let you know.
Did you know your avatar or profile pic is from witchcraft and satanism?
Mormons will deliberatly lie right off the bat.
Best to go to their leaders and read what they say.
“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods.”. joseph smith
Bruce McConkie states: "Three separate personages---Father, Son, and Holy Ghost---comprise the Godhead…As each of these persons is a God, it is evident from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us…these three are the only Gods we worship" (Mormon Doctrine, p.576-7).
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
Joseph Smith: " I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years."
Joseph Smith: "The head God organized the heavens and the earth. I defy all the world to refute me. In the beginning the heads of the Gods organized the heavens and the earth."
Please, my friend, address these quotes.
This agian is a deceptive comment. Mormonism teaches not that you can become LIKE God, but that you can BECOME a God.
Mormonism teaches that Jesus started as a spirit baby of elohim and one of his goddess wives.
The physical body of Jesus was, according to mormonism produced by natural, physical means between God the father and mary.
notice how the mormon girl
President Spencer W. Kimball [Mormon prophet in the mid 1970's] said in a general priesthood meeting: “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000.". https://www.lds.org/general-confere...-privilege-of-holding-the-priesthood?lang=eng
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7).
Carfred Broderick (Mormon author) writes: "God is a procreating personage of flesh and bone...latter-day prophets have made it clear that despite what it says in Matthew 1:20, the Holy Ghost was not the father of Jesus...The Savior was fathered by a personage of flesh and bone" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn, 1967, p.100-101).
Come on, theres that deceitfulness again.
You know FULL WELL that a "prophet" does NOT have to say "thus saith the Lord".
Hi, Kiwi. Missed this post. Why do you say that?Did you know your avatar or profile pic is from witchcraft and satanism?
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