Women pastors, the spirit of whoredom (2)

[Floatingaxe]

Ok, here we go... since people don't, agree with you, they are lazy, stupid, blasphemers? Does that cover it? I don't have a problem with what you believe, I just don't believe what you do. So what? You're not likely to alter anyone's thinking by being rude and condescending.

God's word is quick and powerful, Jesus quoted scripture to the devil in response to temptation. The word of God is illuminating to people who trust in God's principles and promises. Ignited by faith in God, the word brings illumination, empowerment, instruction, healing, restoration, renewal, on and on... it's not the book it's faith in God, the book is full of inspiration and instruction... the words of life and eternal life are found in the law, the prophets, the epistles, and Gospels.

So people don't agree with you? My life is good precisely because I'm continually learning to live by the word. That is my experience. Why would I give it up? Peace, Joy, Health, Prosperity, all these things as well as, Long Suffering, Patience, Kindness, Love, gifts of the Spirit come from God. They were all imparted to me by hearing, reading and meditating on God's word.

YES! We may differ in some areas, but true sisters and brothers in Jesus Christ DO NOT differ when it comes to faith in God's written Word, and the life-changing power therein by the Spirit of Christ!

This scoffer must not get away with such remarks in this place.

 

[Strong in Him]

Come on... you can not be serious. If it is a metaphor than the city (or someone in it) gave him up or he came to his senses... BUT, the fish vomited him?... that takes stomach acid... I bet that felt good to Jonah.

I am glad you believe in such a magical and wondrous God that USED to perform all these tricks. The flower that grew overnight to shade Jonah and then dies the next day... just because God wants to mess with Jonah.
WHY do you believe it is literal? WHY? Are you too lazy to think it through?

I knew I'd end up being drawn back into this debate, but I didn't think it'd be over something like this.

I gather you're not happy with the story of Jonah having been an actual event? Well maybe it wasn't. Then again, as God does not reject us the minute we disobey him but is kind and merciful, giving us a chance to repent, and as he cared about Jonah and no doubt wanted to teach him, and continue to use him, and as he commands all the creatures of the land and sea, including the blue whale which is large enough to swallow a human and which will apparently spit out anything that it doesn't like or irritates it; then maybe this story is literally true.

But what's the problem - that it can't be literally true because in your view God isn't able to do such things, or that we all need to learn to interpret Scripture and recognise a metaphor when we read one? In which case, what's your evidence for it being a metaphor other than "well it must be"? Have you thought it through?

 

[KCDAD]

Ok, here we go... since people don't, agree with you, they are lazy, stupid, blasphemers? Does that cover it? I don't have a problem with what you believe, I just don't believe what you do. So what? You're not likely to alter anyone's thinking by being rude and condescending.

God's word is quick and powerful, Jesus quoted scripture to the devil in response to temptation. The word of God is illuminating to people who trust in God's principles and promises. Ignited by faith in God, the word brings illumination, empowerment, instruction, healing, restoration, renewal, on and on... it's not the book it's faith in God, the book is full of inspiration and instruction... the words of life and eternal life are found in the law, the prophets, the epistles, and Gospels.

So people don't agree with you? My life is good precisely because I'm continually learning to live by the word. That is my experience. Why would I give it up? Peace, Joy, Health, Prosperity, all these things as well as, Long Suffering, Patience, Kindness, Love, gifts of the Spirit come from God. They were all imparted to me by hearing, reading and meditating on God's word.

That's all it takes to scare away this evil angel? Quoting scripture?
The Bible gives you life and happiness... and you claim that you are NOT worshiping a book?

YES! We may differ in some areas, but true sisters and brothers in Jesus Christ DO NOT differ when it comes to faith in God's written Word, and the life-changing power therein by the Spirit of Christ!

This scoffer must not get away with such remarks in this place.

Which remarks? That God wants more from you than blind obedience?

I knew I'd end up being drawn back into this debate, but I didn't think it'd be over something like this.

I gather you're not happy with the story of Jonah having been an actual event? Well maybe it wasn't. Then again, as God does not reject us the minute we disobey him but is kind and merciful, giving us a chance to repent, and as he cared about Jonah and no doubt wanted to teach him, and continue to use him, and as he commands all the creatures of the land and sea, including the blue whale which is large enough to swallow a human and which will apparently spit out anything that it doesn't like or irritates it; then maybe this story is literally true.

But what's the problem - that it can't be literally true because in your view God isn't able to do such things, or that we all need to learn to interpret Scripture and recognise a metaphor when we read one? In which case, what's your evidence for it being a metaphor other than "well it must be"? Have you thought it through?

A blue whale swimming up the Euphrates River? Get real! Other than blue whales aren't found near Iraq or the Persian gulf, the baleen would keep something as large as a man from entering the mouth... try again.

 

[chris777]

Right... Paul says I am inspired by God to write this and means... God is writing this through me... is that right?
When Michaelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel and said he was inspired by God to paint God touching Adam's finger for the moment of creation... what he really meant was God painted that through me... right?

How come it is wrong? God didn't touch Adam to bring him to life... God breathed into the dirt.

if you are not really a Christian why dont you just say so, this foum is now open to anyone, believin ganything, and if my perception is incorrect then I apoligize, but your responces just come off as decidedly unbelieving.

 

[Archivist]

We may differ in some areas, but true sisters and brothers in Jesus Christ DO NOT differ when it comes to faith in God's written Word, and the life-changing power therein by the Spirit of Christ!

This scoffer must not get away with such remarks in this place.

I like to think that waht you have said is true. However, I would note that I have already been told by some on the fundamentalist Christians on this forum that as a Christian I cannot be pro-choice, cannot support female pastors, and cannot believe that the Earth was created in anything more than six 24-hour days. I have likewise been told that I must believe that there was a literal Adam and Eve, that Jonah was actually swolled by a whale and that Lot's wife was actually turned into a pillar of salt.

Yes, there are certain things that all Chistians must believe in order to take the name of Christian. Jesus was the Son of God. He died for our sins. After three days he rose again from the dead and ascended in Heaven. Those points are laid out in the Creeds. However, a great deal of Scripture is open to interpretation. I do not tell others that they are wrong if their interpretation of Scripture differes from mine, however based on what I see on this Forum it seems that many Christians, particularly fundamentalists, have decided that their interpretation of Scripture is the only possible interpretation.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You just won't get away with claiming all Scripture is metaphorical. It's not. If some narratives were metaphorical, God would have it stated, "as if", "as though", etc. But He didn't--why? Because He performed great interventions!!!

God had a major presence in the lives of those He considered righteous, and He used them to perform major feats, and He dealt with them in awesome ways.

God is awesome, by the way!

 

[Archivist]

You just won't get away with claiming all Scripture is metaphorical. It's not. If some narratives were metaphorical, God would have it stated, "as if", "as though", etc. But He didn't--why? Because He performed great interventions!!!

In other words, your interpretation is correct and all who disagree are wrong. BTW, please show me exactly where I said that all Scripture is metaphorical.

God had a major presence in the lives of those He considered righteous, and He used them to perform major feats, and He dealt with them in awesome ways.

Agreed. And God had just as big a presence if he caused life to evolve on Earth over millions of years rather than doing it in six 24-hour days.

God is awesome, by the way!

Agreed, and I never said otherwise.

 

[Floatingaxe]

That's all it takes to scare away this evil angel? Quoting scripture?
The Bible gives you life and happiness... and you claim that you are NOT worshiping a book?

The Word of God has authority. Jesus used it to rout Satan. That is what we are to do. The Word is our sword, remember?

The Word of God, when applied brings much benefit. We don't worship a book. We worship our Saviour, who has brought us is truth in the written Word of God.

If you cannot accept that basic of faith, then you have somehow allowed yourself to become corrupted. No sense giving you any credit whatsoever.

 

[Jerrell]

This thread is off topic now....

 

[Strong in Him]

This thread is off topic now....

Yes ... but the issue of women priests/preachers is basically one about interpretation of Scripture. So it is kind of topical.

 

[Strong in Him]

A blue whale swimming up the Euphrates River? Get real! Other than blue whales aren't found near Iraq or the Persian gulf, the baleen would keep something as large as a man from entering the mouth... try again.

Is the possibility that God directed it there for a particular purpose so difficult to imagine? The 4th chapter of Jonah says that God appointed a worm. The book of numbers records that God spoke through a donkey to teach Balaam. In the New Testament, Jesus directed Peter to catch a fish that had a coin in its mouth that "just happened" to be what they needed to pay their tax. Before the triumphal entry into Jerusalem he told Peter where to find an unridden donkey that would take him into the city.

What's the problem - if you believe in a God who can do all things including using animals for his purposes to serve or teach humans? If, of course, you don't believe in a God who can, and does, intervene in this way, and are looking for, and will only accept, a "natural" explanation, then none of the above is very likely.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Meet a Jonah wannabe...

 

[KCDAD]

if you are not really a Christian why dont you just say so, this foum is now open to anyone, believin ganything, and if my perception is incorrect then I apoligize, but your responces just come off as decidedly unbelieving.

If by that you mean I believe in Jesus as Messiah and son of God... yes, I am a believer. If you mean do I believe the bible is some God authored book, no I am not a believer.
Are you asking am I Christian meaning I follow orthodox Catholic teachings... no, I am not.

 

[KCDAD]

You just won't get away with claiming all Scripture is metaphorical. It's not. If some narratives were metaphorical, God would have it stated, "as if", "as though", etc. But He didn't--why? Because He performed great interventions!!!

God had a major presence in the lives of those He considered righteous, and He used them to perform major feats, and He dealt with them in awesome ways.

God is awesome, by the way!

God didn't state ANYTHING in the Bible. It is man's words, not God's.
God's word is the breath of existence, God's Word is Jesus, the LOGOS.

 

[KCDAD]

The Word of God has authority. Jesus used it to rout Satan. That is what we are to do. The Word is our sword, remember?

The Word of God, when applied brings much benefit. We don't worship a book. We worship our Saviour, who has brought us is truth in the written Word of God.

If you cannot accept that basic of faith, then you have somehow allowed yourself to become corrupted. No sense giving you any credit whatsoever.

Oh, I am corrupted. OK. Thanks for the judgment.

 

[KCDAD]

Is the possibility that God directed it there for a particular purpose so difficult to imagine? The 4th chapter of Jonah says that God appointed a worm. The book of numbers records that God spoke through a donkey to teach Balaam. In the New Testament, Jesus directed Peter to catch a fish that had a coin in its mouth that "just happened" to be what they needed to pay their tax. Before the triumphal entry into Jerusalem he told Peter where to find an unridden donkey that would take him into the city.

What's the problem - if you believe in a God who can do all things including using animals for his purposes to serve or teach humans? If, of course, you don't believe in a God who can, and does, intervene in this way, and are looking for, and will only accept, a "natural" explanation, then none of the above is very likely.

Why is it so difficult to accept the message, the story, is a lesson and not an historical narrative? Why does it have to be historical for it to have meaning? Didn't you earlier confess that Lazarus and the rich man is not a factual, historical account? (By the way, did you know that the character of Lazarus was often used in Middle Eastern stories to represent the everyman, oppressed underdog? Eleazar: "one whom God has helped" is the Hebrew version of Lazarus)

You got that right. None of that is very likely. I believe in a God that designed certain laws and principles into the universe (based on God's nature) and abides by them.
A donkey talking... nope. Unable to form the sounds necessary... they don't have the vocal chords necessary for speech. (serpents don't either)

 

[KCDAD]

Meet a Jonah wannabe...

Thanks for the comic relief.

 

[Floatingaxe]

God didn't state ANYTHING in the Bible. It is man's words, not God's.
God's word is the breath of existence, God's Word is Jesus, the LOGOS.

If it is in the bible, it has God's stamp of approval on it, as He insoured every word.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.


It is part of our dress of armour:

Ephesians 6:17
Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.



I wouldn't think of going out without my trusty sword of the Spirit, my only offensive weapon inmy aresenal!

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

 

[KCDAD]

If it is in the bible, it has God's stamp of approval on it, as He insoured every word.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.


It is part of our dress of armour:

Ephesians 6:17
Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.



I wouldn't think of going out without my trusty sword of the Spirit, my only offensive weapon inmy aresenal!

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The first two verses say nothing about the Bible, the last refers to the written word of ANY kind.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

KCDAD Wrote: That's all it takes to scare away this evil angel? Quoting scripture?

One must consider the source, in this case Jesus, but yes, "resist the devil and he will flee from you" this is indeed literally true.

KCDAD Wrote: The Bible gives you life and happiness... and you claim that you are NOT worshiping a book?

I said, practicing the principles and meditating upon the truths of scripture give me joy, peace, health, and so forth. You seem to ignore what I say just to make a negative remark.

What if I did say reading the bible brings me happiness? How could that, be interpreted as worshiping a book? I just finished three books last week, they all gave me happiness. However, they were fictional works and I'm not likely to meditate upon them or quote them but, they did bring me happiness. Am I worshiping them also?