Wives vs submission to husbands vs submission to Jesus

[Victory-N-Christ]

Because they do not want submit
to something they do not want to do.

NOTE*** This is just my own opinion and not to be taken
as truth or lie. For discussion purposes only.

So...am I understanding you to mean people shouldn't have to do something if they don't want to do it?Like a free will and freedom of choice thing? God did give us a choice. To either do right according to His guidelines for a christian life or do wrong by disobeying His guidelines which will make us in active rebellion against His will.Okay...if you're a married or single Christian then obeying God is extremely important. That's how I see it.

 

[Solomons Porch]

I must say guys.......
Keep up the good work you are teaching me alot

 

[QuikSand]

So...am I understanding you to mean people shouldn't have to do something if they don't want to do it?Like a free will and freedom of choice thing? God did give us a choice. To either do right according to His guidelines for a christian life or do wrong by disobeying His guidelines which will make us in active rebellion against His will.Okay...if you're a married or single Christian then obeying God is extremely important. That's how I see it.

No you do not understand what I said
in reply to the first post of the thread.


NOTE*** This is just my own opinion and not to be taken
as truth or lie. For discussion purposes only.

 

[joshua 1 9]

if you're a married or single Christian then obeying God is extremely important. That's how I see it.

Recently I went through cardio physiotherapy. We learned about diet and exercise. We do not have to exercise and we do not have to follow a healthy diet. We are just a lot better off and we are going to be a lot more healthy if we exercise and eat right. We do not have to follow the Law of God, but we are going to be a lot better off if we do. Because the law of God is for our benefit. David talks about this in the 119 Psalm. God wants us to be healthy and He wants what is best for us. Still he leaves the choice up to us. WE can choose life or death, sickness or health, blessing or curse, poverty or prosperity. It is not always easy. My son is in college now working hard to have a good job and make a decent living. The way to destruction is an easy way to go. The way to life and liberty can be difficult, but worth the extra effort for the benefits we receive.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

seems like most ignored what RDkirk said in this thread but he more or less nailed it.

we don't get to sit around and wait for our spouse to get their act together before we decide to fulfill the command we have from the LORD to our spouse.

a wife is not to submit to her husband because he is doing what he is supposed to do. she submits because she is commanded by God to do so. 1 peter 3:1-2 illustrate this point. same for husbands. they are commanded to sacrificially love their wives whether or not they are fulfilling their call to be submissive.

obviously in cases of abuse their is a necessity for separation in that you remove yourself from that person presence for a time. outside of that circumstance we are to head the command of the LORD to our spouse for better or for worse.

this is why it's important to marry well. don't go after the first guy or gal who looks hot and smiles at you(proverbs 7, proverbs 31:30)

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am sorry but I can't find it written anywhere that wives are to submit to the degree that their husbands are in submission to God.

That is my understanding of "as onto the Lord": "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." We have a covenant relationship with God. A covenant has conditions. If we do our part then we can be sure that God will do His part. In this case we are told that the wife is to submit to her husband, but this is qualified with "as unto the Lord". So what is your understanding of this passage?

If the husband is in rebellion and not following God then why should the wife follow him in his rebellion and do something that God tells us not to do? We are not to live life in the flesh, we are to live in the Spirit. Galatians 5 "16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.They are opposed to one another, so that you do not do what you want. "

This is the job of the husband to follow God and to help the wife to be all that God wants her to be.

 

[Solomons Porch]

seems like most ignored what RDkirk said in this thread but he more or less nailed it.

we don't get to sit around and wait for our spouse to get their act together before we decide to fulfill the command we have from the LORD to our spouse.

a wife is not to submit to her husband because he is doing what he is supposed to do. she submits because she is commanded by God to do so. 1 peter 3:1-2 illustrate this point. same for husbands. they are commanded to sacrificially love their wives whether or not they are fulfilling their call to be submissive.

obviously in cases of abuse their is a necessity for separation in that you remove yourself from that person presence for a time. outside of that circumstance we are to head the command of the LORD to our spouse for better or for worse.

this is why it's important to marry well. don't go after the first guy or gal who looks hot and smiles at you(proverbs 7, proverbs 31:30)

 

[Tetra]

seems like most ignored what RDkirk said in this thread but he more or less nailed it.

we don't get to sit around and wait for our spouse to get their act together before we decide to fulfill the command we have from the LORD to our spouse.

a wife is not to submit to her husband because he is doing what he is supposed to do. she submits because she is commanded by God to do so. 1 peter 3:1-2 illustrate this point. same for husbands. they are commanded to sacrificially love their wives whether or not they are fulfilling their call to be submissive.

obviously in cases of abuse their is a necessity for separation in that you remove yourself from that person presence for a time. outside of that circumstance we are to head the command of the LORD to our spouse for better or for worse.

this is why it's important to marry well. don't go after the first guy or gal who looks hot and smiles at you(proverbs 7, proverbs 31:30)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, where in the Bible does it state physical abuse overrides the command to submit?

 

[Solomons Porch]

seems like most ignored what RDkirk said in this thread but he more or less nailed it.

we don't get to sit around and wait for our spouse to get their act together before we decide to fulfill the command we have from the LORD to our spouse.

a wife is not to submit to her husband because he is doing what he is supposed to do. she submits because she is commanded by God to do so. 1 peter 3:1-2 illustrate this point. same for husbands. they are commanded to sacrificially love their wives whether or not they are fulfilling their call to be submissive.

obviously in cases of abuse their is a necessity for separation in that you remove yourself from that person presence for a time. outside of that circumstance we are to head the command of the LORD to our spouse for better or for worse.

this is why it's important to marry well. don't go after the first guy or gal who looks hot and smiles at you(proverbs 7, proverbs 31:30)

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, where in the Bible does it state physical abuse overrides the command to submit?

the 6th commandment would command us not only to not take life but also to preserve it. submitting yourself to a man that would in every way seek to physically harm you would be a rather suicidal practice which is a violation of the 6 commandment.

 

[Tetra]

the 6th commandment would command us not only to not take life but also to preserve it. submitting yourself to a man that would in every way seek to physically harm you would be a rather suicidal practice which is a violation of the 6 commandment.

It's doesn't necessarily have to be suicidal... but to my point, you're gleaning from the Scriptures situations in which the command to "submit" may be dismissed... is that correct?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

It's doesn't necessarily have to be suicidal... but to my point, you're gleaning from the Scriptures situations in which the command to "submit" may be dismissed... is that correct?

by citing the meaning behind the 6th commandment, yes.

 

[Tetra]

citing the meaning behind the 6th commandment, yes.

Well if you're suggesting that the commandment to submit can be overridden...

I don't get your point in this post below?

a wife is not to submit to her husband because he is doing what he is supposed to do. she submits because she is commanded by God to do so. 1 peter 3:1-2 illustrate this point. same for husbands. they are commanded to sacrificially love their wives whether or not they are fulfilling their call to be submissive.

I fail to see why only abuse is sufficient to override this commandment. You see, if a person doesn't desire to submit to their partner, there's usually a reason... and I'd venture to guess the reason is also warranted. Very few are simply difficult solely for the sake of being difficult. The men whining about this in my experience have been the types that aren't worthy of submission... maybe if they get their faith in check (and life), things would be different.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Well if you're suggesting that the commandment to submit can be overridden...

I don't get your point in this post below?

I fail to see why only abuse is sufficient to override this commandment. You see, if a person doesn't desire to submit to their partner, there's usually a reason... and I'd venture to guess the reason is also warranted. Very few are simply difficult solely for the sake of being difficult. The men whining about this in my experience have been the types that aren't worthy of submission... maybe if they get their faith in check (and life), things would be different.

and that reason is not because of physical abuse(and thus not a violation of the 6th commandment).

you're basically saying that if there is any exception(even if it's biblically warranted) than I can make up whatever exception I want(which is not biblically warranted).

 

[Tetra]

and that reason is not because of physical abuse(and thus not a violation of the 6th commandment).

you're basically saying that if there is any exception(even if it's biblically warranted) than I can make up whatever exception I want(which is not biblically warranted).

No, I'm saying abuse isn't the ONLY Biblical reason one might not follow this commandment. I'm not saying anyone can just make up whatever reason they want. lol

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

No, I'm saying abuse isn't the ONLY Biblical reason one might not follow this commandment. I'm not saying anyone can just make up whatever reason they want. lol

actually you did...

You see, if a person doesn't desire to submit to their partner, there's usually a reason... and I'd venture to guess the reason is also warranted. Very few are simply difficult solely for the sake of being difficult. The men whining about this in my experience have been the types that aren't worthy of submission... maybe if they get their faith in check (and life), things would be different.

where in scripture is your "venture to guess" a exception clause to disregard ephesians 5:22-29?

if they get their faith and life in check? did you just decide not to read the reference to 1 peter 3:1-2?

 

[Tetra]

where in scripture is your "venture to guess" a exception clause to disregard ephesians 5:22-29?

I wrote venture to guess, not as a reason for exception... more because some reasons will be Biblical, while others won't be. How did you gather I meant that as a reason in and of itself?

if they get their faith and life in check? did you just decide not to read the reference to 1 peter 3:1-2?

I didn't use this as a reason not to submit... I used it as an explanation why the men are whining.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I wrote venture to guess, not as a reason for exception... more because some reasons will be Biblical, while others won't be. How did you gather I meant that as a reason in and of itself?

venture to guess..(place biblically unsubstantiated exception here).

I didn't use this as a reason not to submit

again, yes you did...

The men whining about this in my experience have been the types that aren't worthy of submission... maybe if they get their faith in check (and life), things would be different.

 

[Tetra]

venture to guess..(place biblically unsubstantiated exception here)

What's your point? I'm not going to run through every Biblical possibility. Also, that's not for me to decide.

again, yes you did...

No, you've just made that assumption.

"The men whining about this in my experience have been the types that aren't worthy of submission..."
^^^ This has defiantly been my experience. What's your point?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

What's your point? I'm not going to run through every Biblical possibility. Also, that's not for me to decide.

then don't make the claim that there is another biblically substantiated exception if you can't provide one.