Witchcraft?

[paul1149]

Eachallberg,

One term for pharmaceuticals is “ethical drugs”. Man long ago recognized the enormous potential for abuse inherent in drugs, and so he distinguished between drugs that harm and drugs that benefit. He has criminalized the harmful use of drugs and he has carefully regulated their beneficial use. He has not done this perfectly, by any stretch, but the essential principle behind it is reasonable.

God heals directly, and He also uses doctors. Sometimes He heals on a timetable, and it's a good thing doctors are around until the time of healing arrives.

To be sure, there are moral pitfalls in this industry. For instance, there can be drugs that are legal but immoral, such as abortifacients. If you are mixing drugs that end up being misused, I would say you most probably have no responsibility in the matter. But somewhere there may be a line concerning knowledge and responsibility that shouldn’t be crossed, about which you would need to seek the Lord. Individual conscience might play a part too. One person can eat meat; another, only vegetables.

So it's good that you are concerned. But it seems to me that you are taking your concern too far; the whole industry is not anti-Biblical, at all. I would pray on whether you could do this job unto the Lord. That's ultimately the final test.

 

[briareos]

Eachallberg,

It seems I must dig a bit deeper, you believe somethings that I had hoped you would not. Will respond more later. For now, you really believe that there is a potential spiritual evil in medical drugs and anti-christi intent in it's creation. I may not be able to quell this belief that is based on a number of different falsehoods so this may not be the career for you.

Will respond later today.

 

[ChrisLeishy]

I am unemployed at the moment. I have a good job offer as a compounder for a pharmaceutical company. A compounder mixes ingredients.

Can I ask you if this is more about holding out for a job you feel you are better suited to, or one you desire more?

 

[briareos]

Eachallberg,

you said

If I would take this job I am helping with the process poisoning unsuspecting people. Christ didn't do that.

Ok, if you are firmly set in believing this statement then yeh you don't need to take this job. On the other hand I do encourage your to reconsider if this belief isn't too much a part of your core beliefs, becuase this simply isn't true.

For this statement to be viable or true you would need for all medical drugs to be poisoning and they aren't. I would say medical drugs in general, as a standard are not. Sure there's the possibility of error, mixing something incorrectly, prescribing the wrong thing for the wrong person, but medical drugs are infact created to help and heal people, that's what they do. They aren't poisoning if taken as prescribed by people who devoted probly 4-12 years of their life to receive an extrordinary education on this matter so they that could infact do it correctly.

 

[eachallberg]

Eachallberg,

One term for pharmaceuticals is “ethical drugs”. Man long ago recognized the enormous potential for abuse inherent in drugs, and so he distinguished between drugs that harm and drugs that benefit. He has criminalized the harmful use of drugs and he has carefully regulated their beneficial use. He has not done this perfectly, by any stretch, but the essential principle behind it is reasonable.

I very strongly disagree.

God heals directly, and He also uses doctors. Sometimes He heals on a timetable, and it's a good thing doctors are around until the time of healing arrives.

If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of G_d; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.

Take heed, regard not iniquity: for this hast thou chosen rather than affliction.

To be sure, there are moral pitfalls in this industry. For instance, there can be drugs that are legal but immoral, such as abortifacients. If you are mixing drugs that end up being misused, I would say you most probably have no responsibility in the matter. But somewhere there may be a line concerning knowledge and responsibility that shouldn’t be crossed, about which you would need to seek the Lord. Individual conscience might play a part too. One person can eat meat; another, only vegetables.

Amen.

But,
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.

it's good that you are concerned. But it seems to me that you are taking your concern too far; the whole industry is not anti-Biblical, at all. I would pray on whether you could do this job unto the Lord. That's ultimately the final test.

It just seems to far because we were steeped in the sin of modern day babylon. It is against Christian beliefs. G_d detests what is valuable in the eyes of men.

Trust G_d not some pagan establishment with the rod of asclepius or nehushtan.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
John 3:14.

Tell me your description of a potion? A potion is witchcraft.

 

[Matariki]

I assure you that today's modern pharmacies have nothing to do with witchcraft. Just science.

 

[PintoBean]

God bless you for wanting to do His will. I do not think this is witchcraft. Mixing ingredients for medications is like mixing ingredients for bread. They both can be helpful but hurtful in excess. Making medications is not an abomination in my opinion. Did you pray for a job? This offer may be an answered prayer. If it is praise God!

 

[katautumn]

If I would take this job I am helping with the process poisoning unsuspecting people. Christ didn't do that.

If you're anti-Western medicine, then it's probably not a good idea to take a job working for a pharmaceutical company; however, claiming pharmacology is "witchcraft" is a whole 'nother ball of wax, and a quite silly one at that. It really bothers me when people equate physical illness with demonic possession and taking conventional medicine with witchery. It's a very dangerous mentality, much akin to what Christian Scientists believe. My grandmother used to attend school with a young man whose family belonged to the Christian Science religion. He became very ill with influenza his senior year. Because his parents were anti-conventional medicine, he died from complications due to pneumonia a week before he was supposed to graduate. I suppose a little "poisonous witchcraft" might have allowed him to live a full life.

If it means anything, I used to practice actual witchcraft and modern-day medicine is nothing like actual witchcraft any more than Harry Potter magic is like real witchcraft.

 

[Matariki]

I assure you that today's modern pharmacies have nothing to do with witchcraft, pagan practices, magic or the occult. Just science, with the intention of helping people. Motar and pestles are tools designed for crushing ingredients, chefs and cooks also use them. A cauldron is a mere pot designed for cooking and mixing ingredients together.

Personally I would say you are overreacting. No offense.
Pharmacy is a practice that helps countless of people on a daily basis including myself.
Being a pharmacist is a gift that you can use to glorify God with by using what he created to help people. Whats to complain or worry about? Put your faith in God and ask him what he thinks.

 

[briareos]

eachallberg

Poisoning people. No. Yes. Witchcraft I think is real. And no.

You believing that witcraft exists or is a reality is not specificly the question, the question is, do you believe that you mixing medical drugs as prescribed by doctors is infact a form of witchcraft and would cause you to participate in witchcraft?

Scientific research that says, "Hey G_d we do not have faith you cant help heal us so mind are back."
That is spiritual intent and influence.
Its no where close in mind, it is absolute trickery.

You made some typos or structured your sentences here in way that I cannot completely understand what you are saying. You believe that scientific research is in essense the denial of God and the faithlessness in God?

Why do you believe that? There are plenty of christian scientists and doctors who do not feel their research into science or medicine is in opposition to their Lord and Savior. I agree the Lord want's to heal but most of the world does not believe in God they just don't know him and the majority of those who do believe in God are not able to recieve healing from him. Do you know how much the belief that God can heal your body is accepted amoung christians today or how capable christians are of actually making that happen? Very Very little. Sure it's a problem, but in the mean time people are still dying and if we can simply make a medical solution that effectively saves lives then great. It is wisdom that knows how to use the minerals God put on this earth to cure the body, not evil. Paul told timothy take some wine and that it would help his stomah problems, he didn't say he better believe in a healing. Neither does the bible ever ever say that medicine is to not be used. Jesus said doctors are for the sick.

Doctors are for the sick... period. Jesus confirmed this. Doctors and medicine are a good thing.

What does happen is religious people sometimes deny their children medical care or medicine becuase they want a healing instead and their children die and they the parents get sent to jail for manslaughter as they rightly should. (that's happened) It is a filthy corruption that would deny simple wise use of medicine to help a hurting person, just to demand a miracle instead and that person suffers or even dies and in the end the people don't know God anywhere near enough to get a miracle from him and the kids die. They die! Becuase some religious idiot hates medicine. (not saying that of you)

Brother, please dont assume. I am qualified because my previous job was in the food industry manufacturing flavors.
Spoiler: Some artificial flavors contain ethyl acetate. The same number one ingredient in nail polish.
My thoughts are in Galatians 5:20.

I wasn't assuming anything unjustly, though I may have assumed incorrectly. Galations 5.20, sure, well can you show me a legitimate reason why mixing drugs would be form of sorcery? Sorcery is traditionally defined as magical powers with the intent of evil. That's what webster says anyway. Why does the mixing of earthly minerals that have a positive effect on the human body become sorcery?

I do not agree they are innocent. Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive. Why turn your back on G_d? Mystic evil...? This post is not in unorthodox theology.

Why would taking medicine be an act of turning your back of God? Why does relying on anything other than a divine miracle become an act of denial of God? Do you understand how many children would die? How many people would die? How many people would never live? If medicine were to be abandoned? Look at all the people in the hospital today, people that are alive only becuase of the use of medicine, regardless of whether or not God could heal them they would be dead, if not for medicine. In light of this... do you still believe that the use of medicine isn't innocent?
Do you believe that it is evil? It has saved countless lives where miracles could not be found.

I used the word mystic in reference to some spiritual power you believe is present in the mixing of biological minerals.

I care. Really, I care.

I love G_d. I want to obey. It is his will, no?

I dont know anything about mystical power.

Ok, what spiritual power, does the the history and definitions of words have on you? How could the history of a word, become a potent spiritual evil power in your life or the life of another? Regardless of how a word has been used, words don't begin to contain spiritual power. They remain words, sounds, a combination of letters and marks. They aren't pagan runes where symbols drawn on paper contain power to be summoned. They are letters. What spiritual power or content does a words history bestow on a word?

It could influence me to be cold hearted and not care I am poisoning people.

If you really believe that and you cannot begin to stop believing that then, ok, don't take the job. Just know that there is no legitimate reason to believe that you are poisoning people or for you to become cold hearted or any emotion for that matter. Your belief that you are participating in evil acts or creating poisons is false. If drugs are used correctly, they generally save lives, ease pains, etc. They don't hurt people.

Go investigate the labels and research the ingredients. It sounds like a gateway to turn my back on G_d.

Why? What is ungodly about a mineral? Minerals that God created, that when placed in the body can save a life and ease pain etc.

Get this!
Last job offer I had before this was advertising for a psychic, medium, tarot card reader.
I declined for obvious Christian reasons

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I am glad you did, that is a purposeful intent to contact spiritual powers. Medicine is not. Speak to a medical doctor and speak to a tarot card ready and see the diffrence in their beliefs and involvement in spiritual powers, the diffrence is absolute.

If my interpretation is wrong then correct me, please! If it is flawed then I rather be safe then sorry, because I do not want to participate in witchcraft.

I am going to try as are the others, but you need to give it a chance and consider.

I am sorry If you take medication. My girlfriend takes anxiety pills and she is a zombie on them. She is under control by something not good.

Whether or not the doctor who prescribed her the medicine they did, or in the dosage that they did made a good decision, can be questioned. But the intent and the possibility remains to be that it can help her with her problems. Acting in a way you call "acting like a zombie" is not having something control you.

Seriously, what is mysticism to you???

Well mysticism has a definition. One of those standard definitions is a belief without a sound basis, I would also add especially concerning spiritual matters as the other definitions infer. I used that word because so many of your beliefs are rooted into a spiritual context or relevance. Many things such as scientific research and medicine have no spiritual relevance at all. For example, let's talk about Atheists for a second. Some Atheists don't believe God exists and they do not concern themselves with God at all. They are not anti-god. They do not attack God. They do not care that you believe in God. They are not the least big motivated to oppose the belief in God. They simply do not concern themselves with God period. God simply is not a part of their life and no part of their life is devoted to the idea of God at all. Becuase the only part of them that makes them an Atheist is that they do not believe he exists and that is the subtotal of all relevance of God in their life. It isn't even a belief, it is only the absence of a belief. You can fail to believe in God without actually believing that he could not or does not exist. Those are two diffrent things.
In the same way... scientific research and science itself and medicine does not have anything to do with God or opposing that God unless the person doing it chooses to. The thought or idea of God just isn't relevant or present at all. For Christians, God is a part of everything, but for someone who does not know God or believe he even exists God may never ever even enter their mind at all. Much less do they oppose him.

Atheism isn't the topic, I just thought it was a good example.

 

[Tenebrae]

I recall a client I worked with, whose illness was totally bought under control by clozapine, and this client was able to go back to work. They hadnt worked in over 20 years.

Warfarin is also the same stuff used in rat poison, yet for people who are at risk of clots, leading to strokes, or heart attacks, this medication ensures their risk is hugely reduced.

I'm a second year nursing student, and to quote my pharmacology tutor, "all medicines are poisons, what matters is the dose". panadol (acetamorphin) is an awesome medication for bringing down a fever, yet exceed the recommended daily dose one runs the risk of liver damage, even death

Can you live with this job and enjoy it. If not then perhaps there is a better job out there for you

 

[Angelfrog]

At the moment I don't want to comment too much on the idea that someone taking legal beneficial medication is turning their back on God somehow- because, to be very honest, I feel angry that such a ridiculous blanket statement can be used. It's a very judgmental, hurtful and utterly inaccurate thing to imply.

What I'm intrigued by, eachallberg, is something that briareos mentioned: the notion of the power of words on you.

I've noticed that in your posts, you never type God, but G-d.
May I ask why this is? I'm not criticising- but am wondering if this is relevant in some way to what you feel about the power of words?

 

[heron]

Spoiler: Some artificial flavors contain ethyl acetate. The same number one ingredient in nail polish.

Thank you! Do you remember which ones?

My girlfriend takes anxiety pills and she is a zombie on them. She is under control by something not good.

Something crossed my mind recently - people debate about hypnosis opening patients to the demonic realm, but I realized alcohol and depressive substances probably put people in the same brain wave state of vulnerability.

 

[Maremma]

Have you taken this concern to the Lord in prayer? He knows your heart and understands where you are coming from.
I have just graduated from nursing school. I am dead sure God told me to do this. He gave me the grace and endurance to manage to make it this far and He will continue to help me with all the "new" things that have come up that are weighing heavily on my own conscience because of all I have learned.

Indeed any medication has the potential to save or take life. Your strong concern about poisoning people may well make you are far better pharmacist than the majority out there. You would be most likely to be double checking that the proper doses have been prescribed for that individual and that they are not already taking something that would be contraindicated with this particular drug or that they have a medical condition that makes the medication a contraindicated med for them.
Really please do speak to God about all of this and ask HIM what HE wants you to do. If He tells you to "get out of the boat" He will also make you able to walk on water. If HE wants you to do this, He is also going to help you understand your own fears and concerns and bring you peace about what it is He is asking you to do for Him.

 

[ezeric]

The word for pharmacy, from the greek as many of you already stated is 'witchcraft'.

Witchcraft is ALL about the word manipulate.

I can see lots of times drug companies manipulate people with their drugs.
In Canada here, they also control doctors and hospitals with there 'studies' etc...

The OP should totally think it over and pray over it, as we have to be
wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16

-eric

The Exchanged Life

 

[jkitten]

What I'm curious about is how you got the job offer in the first place? Mixing drugs for any reputable company generally requires some sort of qualification in the medical field, which, if this is really how you feel about western medicine, I'd be surprised to hear you'd subjected yourself to? Also, companies to my knowledge do not generally coldcall or headhunt people with no previous experience in the relevant field, so presumably you must either have some (and been good enough at it that people noticed), or have applied for the job in some way? Just curious.

Regardless, if this is really how you feel, then the obvious answer seems to be no, don't take the job. There will be someone out there who will be perfect for it, and God will guide you to another job which in turn is perfect for you. Problem solved!

 

[Bryne]

He answered that question in an earlier post. He has experience in the food industry, mixing flavors and such.

 

[dreamingflower]

I have a deliverance book about drugs, medication, and how it's all linked to witchcraft. I have friends who are on the same page as me. Medications is serious stuff, it's a wonder why they put you on one drug, then another because of your "reaction' to the current medication and so forth. Just a thought.

This is serious stuff, because most have allowed satan into their home they wonder why their finances, marriage, children, are all falling apart. Witchcraft is real. You need to be careful what you let into your home and what you are doing as well as watching. You want to live a blessed life with God's fullness, then you need to watch how you are allowing satan into your homes.. God can't work if you are not rebuking the devour.

 

[Johnnz]

I have a deliverance book about drugs, medication, and how it's all linked to witchcraft. I have friends who are on the same page as me. Medications is serious stuff, it's a wonder why they put you on one drug, then another because of your "reaction' to the current medication and so forth. Just a thought.

This is serious stuff, because most have allowed satan into their home they wonder why their finances, marriage, children, are all falling apart. Witchcraft is real. You need to be careful what you let into your home and what you are doing as well as watching. You want to live a blessed life with God's fullness, then you need to watch how you are allowing satan into your homes.. God can't work if you are not rebuking the devour.

What a lot of superstitious nonsense. Here you are, posting on the Internet, using a computer and software, plugged into an electrical dependant of highly designed and complex machinery and supply to a house with many other manufactured components, all of which depend entirely on a scientific and engineering understanding of many highly complex elements and processes. Yet when that same basis of knowledge is applied to medicine it become witchcraft.

If you were living in a tent somewhere and communicating by smoke signals at least you would be consistent.

John
NZ

 

[heron]

Mixing drugs for any reputable company generally requires some sort of qualification in the medical field

If you are a chemist, then you will probably find some ethical quandries in other jobs too.

One of people's concerns with pharmaceuticals is not just the concoctions, but the dominance the companies exert. Prices for major companies are inflated, when compared with generics. Of course there is a massive outlay of investment in research, testing on subjects, standardizing, patents, marketing and lawsuits. But they also spend money lobbying.

If it weren't for the larger companies, Aunt Mabel would still be suffering from angina. But you might have a twinge of uneasiness in being associated with a company that holds more sway in the region than it should.