Wisconsin Recount

Mayzoo · Nov 22, 2020

Albion said:
Tell us how you know this to be so.

The funding came from his campaign which can only be funded by US citizens, other US campaigns, PACs, partnerships, some LLCs etc.....

Trump campaign requests costly partial recount in Wisconsin

"The campaign wired $3 million to the Wisconsin Election Commission for the long-shot bid to overturn the state results."

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GreatLakes4Ever · Nov 22, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
It does seem a bit odd. My guess is that the certification makes the result official, so then it can be challenged. (In other states the official canvass seems to provide that role.)

So when would be the cut off time to challenge of official results? Can we go back to 1992 and challenge Clinton’s win? Once things are certified and made official it should be over.

hedrick · Nov 22, 2020

I think the idea is that you can't have a recount until you have a count. Legal processes aren't set up to depend upon newspapers' unofficial counts. Legally there's no first count until there's a certified result.

GreatLakes4Ever · Nov 22, 2020

hedrick said:
I think the idea is that you can't have a recount until you have a count. Legal processes aren't set up to depend upon newspapers' unofficial counts. Legally there's no first count until there's a certified result.

But each jurisdiction/precinct/ward has to have their count before certification. Add all of the votes together, allow any challenge then but before the certification. College track they post the unofficial results. You then have thirty minutes to make a challenge. Once that has lapsed the referee signs off on the results as official.

hedrick · Nov 22, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
So when would be the cut off time to challenge of official results? Can we go back to 1992 and challenge Clinton’s win? Once things are certified and made official it should be over.

No. Results have been certified, but I don't believe Certificates of Ascentainment have been sent to the US Archivist yet. States have until Dec 8 to do that with complete safety. Results reported by that date can't be challenged later. But they have roughly another week before the Electoral College votes.

Who Formally Declares the Winner of the U.S. Presidential Election?

If Republicans are indeed trying to delay the recount, likely they are hoping to create a "failed election" in Wisconsin. No one is sure what that means, but in principle, the legislature can then declare the winner. Since it's Republican, the hope would be that they would appoint Republican electors. But lots of things have to happen before that can occur, and it wouldn't change who won nationally anyway. Even Republican legislators might well decide that their duty is to respect the decision of their voters. It appears there are some faithful Republicans still around.

TLK Valentine · Nov 22, 2020

Albion said:
You may not know this, but the resources, legal assistance, and etc. for recounting Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and came from that source.

Speaking of sources, can you post one?

The "front" was Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, but it was the Hillary campaign and the DNC which needed the recounts and made them possible in those states which, if you recall, had put Trump over the top. There was nothing special about those states so far as the Green Party was concerned.

Again... source?

Sal1981 · Nov 22, 2020

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lasthero · Nov 24, 2020

Fourth day of Wisconsin's partial recount shows few changes to vote count

Recounts going well. So far, Trump’s picks up about 41 votes. Just a little shy of the 20,000+ plus he needs.

Money well spent.

Erik Nelson · Nov 24, 2020

Albion said:
Actually, that is indeed how it's done.

And here is the critical and most informative part of the Associated Press article--conveniently placed at the very bottom of the article in order to have it be noticed by as few readers as possible:

"His team is seeking to disqualify ballots where election clerks filled in missing address information on the certification envelope where the ballot is inserted, even though the practice has long been accepted in Wisconsin."

Translation: Election clerks altered mail-in votes; doing that has been common practice in Wisconsin, however.

Say what???????

Is claiming that "independents" are really "secret plain-clothed Trump supporters" a "conspiracy theory" ?

Erik Nelson · Nov 24, 2020

Group files emergency petition in Wisconsin after finding 150,000 potentially fraudulent ballots | Just The News

hedrick · Nov 24, 2020

lasthero said:
Fourth day of Wisconsin's partial recount shows few changes to vote count

Recounts going well. So far, Trump’s picks up about 41 votes. Just a little shy of the 20,000+ plus he needs.

Money well spent.

Trump's problem isn't with the counting. If you recount until the same rules as the original count you'll get a small change like that.

There are several classes of ballot he wants thrown out. To do anything real he needed first to get a court to order some type of ballots not to be counted and then do the recount. That hasn't happened.

The effort may have been part of the plot to move the election into the state legislatures, so simple delay might have been a goal. At this point though, that effort seems futile.

SimplyMe · Nov 24, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
Group files emergency petition in Wisconsin after finding 150,000 potentially fraudulent ballots | Just The News

From what I can find, the "fraud" in these votes is that people claimed to be "home bound" to get mail in ballots and Amistad Project claims these are people that could have voted in person. Also, the fact that this is an emergency petition to the Wisconsin Supreme Court suggests they already lost the initial case and are appealing.

So, tell me Erik, if the Wisconsin Supreme Court finds these people shouldn't have claimed to be "home bound," what should the Supreme Court rule as "relief?" You can't throw out just those ballots -- they were accepted as legal and now can't be distinguished from any other vote. Beyond that, these are voters who were legal voters -- you can't even claim their intentions were illegal -- rather, the assumption would be that believed they were entitled to vote by mail because of the risks to them from COVID.

No court is going to throw out the results of a state, or even a county, over the fact that some legal voters may have broken election rules and took advantage of a voting method that they weren't supposed to. This is doubly true when there is no evidence that these votes would change the election since there is no way to know who these individuals voted for.

QvQ · Nov 28, 2020

lasthero said:
So, as some might be aware, Trump's team is footing the bill for a recount in Wisconsin...sort of. It's actually only for two counties, Milwaukee and Dane, and it's set to be finished by December 1. So far, however, it's behind schedule, and the reason for that...

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

Come on, guys. Really?

There is a recount in Iowa. The recount is being done Without Addressing the Discrepancies in the Number of Mail In Ballots Received. It is down to 8 votes.

TLK Valentine · Nov 28, 2020

$3 million well spent!

Recount in Wisconsin county demanded by Trump increases Biden's margin

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A recount in Wisconsin’s largest county demanded by Republican President Donald Trump’s election campaign ended Friday with Democratic President-elect Joe Biden gaining votes.

After the recount in Milwaukee County, Biden had a net gain of 132 votes, out of nearly 460,000 cast. Overall, Biden gained 257 votes to Trump’s 125.

Instead of a single loss, every night Donald delivers another failure...

... Hanukkah came early this year.

lasthero · Nov 28, 2020

What I keep hearing is that he’ll probably blame the process and keep alleging corruption, use it as a springboard to something.

That’s the only thing that makes sense. I can’t imagine he seriously thought that recount would come out with him on top.

MIDutch · Nov 28, 2020

lasthero said:
What I keep hearing is that he’ll probably blame the process and keep alleging corruption, use it as a springboard to something.

That’s the only thing that makes sense. I can’t imagine he seriously thought that recount would come out with him on top.

Desperate people will grasp at any straws they can reach.

trump knows that once all of his "options" run their course, all he's left with is either prison time or escaping to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

mark46 · Nov 28, 2020

MIDutch said:
Desperate people will grasp at any straws they can reach.

trump knows that once all of his "options" run their course, all he's left with is either prison time or escaping to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

He could "build" a hotel in Moscow.

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