Winter Wheat Video Lecture

[AV1611VET]

Not on the [now denied] macroscale.

Q: Is it still wheat? if so? what specifically is the point of the OP?

ETA: This what the OP asks: 'But if evolution is a fraud, if evolution is a conspiracy, if evolution is a wicked plot, how do they pull off winter wheat?'

My answer to that is: It is still [winter] wheat. It is not a fraud. It is not a conspiracy. It is not a wicked plot. It is wheat.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Yes, and from 02:30 - 02:45 you ask:

'But if evolution is a fraud, if evolution is a conspiracy, if evolution is a wicked plot, how do they pull off winter wheat?'

The fact of the matter is: It is still winter wheat.

The fact that Winter Wheat did not exist before 1750. And the fact that it exists today.

 

[Mr Laurier]

ETA: This what the OP asks: 'But if evolution is a fraud, if evolution is a conspiracy, if evolution is a wicked plot, how do they pull off winter wheat?'

My answer to that is: It is still [winter] wheat. It is not a fraud. It is not a conspiracy. It is not a wicked plot. It is wheat.

Yes. it is wheat.
And a human is a hominid.
And a musk ox is a bovid.

 

[renniks]

So I made this short video in early march.
It's about the evolution of a new strain of wheat. Winter wheat.
Wonderful stuff, that lets northern farmers harvest two crops a year.

Winter wheat is an example of observed evolution. And a very good crop to have up here.

Lol, this has nothing to do with creationism. Any one can breed varietys of a plant. Big deal. It's not even natural selection. It's artificial selection.
If anything it supports ID by showing someone has to select the right genes to improve the plant.

 

[renniks]

A name?
Ken Ham.
Kent Hovind.
Ray Comfort.
Jerry Falwell.
Kenneth Copeland.
Pat Robertson.
Need I go on?

I guarantee you none of them has a problem with plant breeding. Or artificial breeding of animals to improve a strain.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Lol, this has nothing to do with creationism.

It has everything to do with evolution.

Any one can breed varietys of a plant.

Yes... And?

Big deal.

Its just another example of evolution

It's not even natural selection. It's artificial selection.

Its sexual selection. Darwin used the term "natural" instead of "sexual", to avoid shocking and scandalizing his fellow christians.

If anything it supports ID by showing someone has to select the right genes to improve the plant.

Except it doesn't.

 

[renniks]

It has everything to do with evolution.


Yes... And?


Its just another example of evolution


Its sexual selection. Darwin used the term "natural" instead of "sexual", to avoid shocking and scandalizing his fellow christians.


Except it doesn't.

It's just a big strawman. No creationists are denying that we selectively breed animals and plants.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that Winter Wheat did not exist before 1750. And the fact that it exists today.

I don't care if Martian wheat sprouts up tomorrow.

It ... is ... still ... wheat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes. it is wheat.
And a human is a hominid.
And a musk ox is a bovid.

And Triticum aestivum is still Triticum aestivum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not on the [now denied] macroscale.

Q: Is it still wheat? if so? what specifically is the point of the OP?

Yes, it is still wheat. You are still an ape. Macroevolution has been observed in the lab and in the field. You might want to learn what macroevolution is.

 

[AV1611VET]

If anything it supports ID by showing someone has to select the right genes to improve the plant.

Oh, dear.

Dan didn't mention that in his video.

Or if he did, I missed it.

So winter wheat is a product of artificial selection?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it is still wheat. You are still an ape.

Pulling that You-Are-Still-An-Ape rhetoric on me in a thread that talks about wheat becoming winter wheat isn't cutting it.

You can't show Triticum aestivum becoming Triticum aestivum then, when someone balks, claim its the same thing as a Homo sapiens being a Homo erectus, or whatever it was we came from.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does someone around here want to tell me what in the world we supposedly came from?

I've heard Homo habilis, Homo erectus, something unnamed that gave us bonobos, chimpanzees, apes, and something else, Neanderthals, Cro-magnons, and whatever else we came from I can't remember.

Then I get All-The-Above, Some-Of-The-Above, some chart showing red slowly becoming blue, and it just gets ridiculous.

Frankly, I don't think evolutionists know.

But in this thread, showing me that some strand of wheat started growing twice a year, instead of once, as bringing out some kind of evolution conspiracy is just over the top.

Do you know a woman can have a child twice in the same year?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Pulling that You-Are-Still-An-Ape rhetoric on me in a thread that talks about wheat becoming winter wheat isn't cutting it.

You can't show Triticum aestivum becoming Triticum aestivum then, when someone balks, claim its the same thing as a Homo sapiens being a Homo erectus, or whatever it was we came from.

And you make an error in what needs to be shown. We can show that one is descended from another. Just as we can use DNA evidence to identify killers and resolve paternity claims the same evidence tells us that like it or not we are all apes. That we are related to other apes. I know that you do not like reality, what I cannot understand fully is why.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does someone around here want to tell me what in the world we supposedly came from?

I've heard Homo habilis, Homo erectus, something unnamed that gave us bonobos, chimpanzees, apes, and something else, Neanderthals, Cro-magnons, and whatever else we came from I can't remember.

Then I get All-The-Above, Some-Of-The-Above, some chart showing red slowly becoming blue, and it just gets ridiculous.

Frankly, I don't think evolutionists know.

But in this thread, showing me that some strand of wheat started growing twice a year, instead of once, as bringing out some kind of evolution conspiracy is just over the top.

Do you know a woman can have a child twice in the same year?

There is no point in trying to help people that will refuse to understand. All that can be done is correction of errors.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you make an error in what needs to be shown. We can show that one is descended from another. Just as we can use DNA evidence to identify killers and resolve paternity claims the same evidence tells us that like it or not we are all apes. That we are related to other apes. I know that you do not like reality, what I cannot understand fully is why.

You didn't watch the video, did you?

 

[VirOptimus]

Does someone around here want to tell me what in the world we supposedly came from?

-snip-

You came from your parents.

Your parents was(are) apes, just as you.

 

[AV1611VET]

You came from your parents.

Your parents was(are) apes, just as you.

So that's why we always had bananas in our breakfast cereal, and monkey bars in our backyard!

 

[VirOptimus]

So that's why we always had bananas in our breakfast cereal, and monkey bars in our backyard!

No thats because god made it that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

No thats because god made it that way.

This video, in my estimation, was poorly constructed.

The comments don't fit.

Arguing that Homo sapiens (my parents) gave rise to a Homo sapiens (me) is the same as in the video, arguing that Triticum aestivum (wheat) gave rise to Triticum aestivum (winter wheat); but then Dan goes on to say that creationists have to make excuses for evolution to go away, when, in fact, they don't.