Wine vs. Grape Juice

[Albion]

Jesus used FRUIT OF THE VINE.

As wine is made from the fruit of the vine, it's acceptable.
As grape juice is made from the fruit of the vine, it's acceptable.

Poor reasoning. All we know from that phrase is that it was either wine or juice, not that it was both at once or that it doesn't matter which it was. But since Jesus did drink wine and it was a standard drink, it's unlikely that the Last Supper featured Welch's grape juice.

 

[MJohn7]

Most sabbatarians I have seen on this forum have no sense of humor..........

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Ive been hurt by others jokes so i try not to joke around myself, so for me its about trying to follow the Royal law of love/charity (the golden rule). Makes sense to me. And im no Sabbitarian myself.

 

[Lion King]

Poor reasoning. All we know from that phrase is that it was either wine or juice, not that it was both at once or that it doesn't matter which it was. But since Jesus did drink wine and it was a standard drink, it's unlikely that the Last Supper featured Welch's grape juice.

But the fact remains: Jesus drank of the fruit of the vine (Matthew 26:27-29, Mark 14:23-25, Luke 22:17-18).

GRAPE JUICE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.
WINE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.

So, as long as one is drinking juice derived solely from grapes for the LORD's Supper, they are following Christ's example.

 

[abysmul]

Would watermelon wine count?
Fruit of the vine and all?

Tomato juice?

Hmmm???

 

[MoreCoffee]

Would watermelon wine count?
Fruit of the vine and all?

Tomato juice?

Hmmm???

All depends on the religion in which one wants to use it.

It wouldn't do for Christianity.

 

[OGM]

I think oxygen plays a role as well, if too much oxygen is present during the fermentation process then the juice turns into vinegar rather than wine

True

 

[OGM]

Then what's the difference? Why didn't Jesus just use grape juice and be done with it?

In that climate grape juice would go bad quickly. No refrigeration...

 

[Cappadocious]

But the fact remains: Jesus drank of the fruit of the vine (Matthew 26:27-29, Mark 14:23-25, Luke 22:17-18).

GRAPE JUICE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.
WINE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.

So, as long as one is drinking juice derived solely from grapes for the LORD's Supper, they are following Christ's example.

Lucy is derived from her mother Joan.
Mark is derived from his mother, the same Joan.

Therefore, Lucy is Mark.

 

[abysmul]

What about very poor early Christians in countries that did not produce wine (or at least not much)? Places where milks, water, or beers were only available?

 

[MoreCoffee]

What about very poor early Christians in countries that did not produce wine (or at least not much)? Places where milks, water, or beers were only available?

There's always communion in one kind.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

But the fact remains: Jesus drank of the fruit of the vine (Matthew 26:27-29, Mark 14:23-25, Luke 22:17-18).

GRAPE JUICE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.
WINE IS DERIVED FROM THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.

So, as long as one is drinking juice derived solely from grapes for the LORD's Supper, they are following Christ's example.

What he said!

Lucy is derived from her mother Joan.
Mark is derived from his mother, the same Joan.

Therefore, Lucy is Mark.

Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, "Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe."
20 And the winepress was trampled outside the City, and blood came out of the winepress,

Lucy's grape fight!! - YouTube

 

[Lion King]

Lucy is derived from her mother Joan.
Mark is derived from his mother, the same Joan.

Therefore, Lucy is Mark.

much logic.

Lucy is derived from her mother Joan.
Mark is derived from his mother, the same Joan.

Therefore both Lucy and Mark are fruit of Joan's womb.

 

[MJohn7]

What about very poor early Christians in countries that did not produce wine (or at least not much)? Places where milks, water, or beers were only available?

Good point. You cant easily grow grapes in cold northern climates either. Maybe vodka or corn whiskey will do? Or one could just live by faith in the lords promises, while examining himself as paul urges us, and use what we have, even if its nothing at all.

 

[Cappadocious]

much logic.

Lucy is derived from her mother Joan.
Mark is derived from his mother, the same Joan.

Therefore both Lucy and Mark are fruit of Joan's womb.

Therefore they are interchangeable, right? Because if Lucy was supposed to attend dinner, and Mark shows up instead, you still have the fruit of Joan's womb showing up. Nobody would mind the difference.

 

[OGM]

I say give both Mark and Lucy Communion

 

[Lion King]

Therefore they are interchangeable, right? Because if Lucy was supposed to attend dinner, and Mark shows up instead, you still have the fruit of Joan's womb showing up. Nobody would mind the difference.

Yes.

As long as Joan's fruit is present at dinner, no one will mind.

 

[Cappadocious]

I say give both Mark and Lucy Communion

Unfortunately, Mark and Lucy believe that it is unclean and/or scandalous, so they will only accept a substitution of purple Koolaid. And some things just aren't in the church budget.

 

[Cappadocious]

Yes.

Not a very attentive host, I see.

 

[MJohn7]

I'll take the blood of the cross and bread of life, but im not sure grapes and flour are necessary.

 

[OGM]

Unfortunately, Mark and Lucy believe that it is unclean and/or scandalous, so they will only accept a substitution of purple Koolaid. And some things just aren't in the church budget.

But Koolaid is cheaper than wine.