Will you really go to hell if you commit suicide?

[Strong in Him]

No it doesn't say that specifically, but it does say specifically that unless a person is born from above they will not even see the kingdom of God! and it also says there is salvation in no other name and that If a person trusts in the Lord they will be saved! It is crystal clear who is saved and how they are to be saved. there is no plan B for the mentally ill or those who never heard the name Jesus!

It doesn't tell us what will happen to those who are mentally ill or never hear the name of Jesus.
If you want to believe that God will condemn someone for something they don't know; so be it.

 

[Strong in Him]

What happened in the end? Samson didn't just kill himself....

No, he killed his enemies.
Samson's strength disappeared when he had his hair cut; we read "he did not know that the Lord had left him." Because of that, the Philistines were able to capture him. They had already poked his eyes out, they were humiliating him by making him entertain them and they may well have been going to kill him.
Samson was in that position through his own fault - he had told Delilah that if his hair was cut he would lose his strength, and she told his enemies. Samson asked the lord to remember him one last time; he would destroy his enemies, and lose his life in the process.

Jesus was without sin and loved his enemies so much that he gave his life for them and asked God to forgive them.

If you want to stretch a point you could say that both died for others, but the circumstances were completely different, and Jesus would still have come and died if Sansom had not been born, or had been obedient.

Judges 13:1 "The children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the Lord...", so Samson had to be born.
Judges 13 Samson's wife knew it was an angel of the Lord

Yes, but an angel of the Lord is not the same as God the Son coming briefly to earth in the OT. One is an angel; the other is God himself.

And the angel came to tell the woman that her son, Samson, would be born - which is nothing to do with "making sure that the Christ came".
It was always God's will for Jesus to become incarnate.

 

[nolidad]

That's why I said "MAY".



May be, could be, might be - like I said, we don't know.
Again, I am trusting in the mercy and compassion of God.

If teh bible was not so specific, I would agree with your "May". But if we question God when something is very explicit in SCripture- How shall we endure with things not so explicit?

 

[nolidad]

It doesn't tell us what will happen to those who are mentally ill or never hear the name of Jesus.
If you want to believe that God will condemn someone for something they don't know; so be it.

But it does tell us unambiguously what is required to be saved! And that once a person dies- their judgment comes in! So it does answer the question of those who never hear- they are lost! Not one soul will be cast into the lake of fire that would have wanted to be saved in this lifetime!

I went on a mission trip to China in 1987. I believe the whole purpose of my trip was to share the gospel with our tour guide, whom after we left, got saved and became an amazing disciple of the Lord! God will send His people across the globe to save a soul that wants to be saved! We can trust that God knows what He is doing!

 

[Strong in Him]

If teh bible was not so specific, I would agree with your "May". But if we question God when something is very explicit in SCripture- How shall we endure with things not so explicit?

On this subject, it's not.
You, yourself, said that the Bible does not specifically say that any who are mentally ill and unable to hear the Gospel will go to hell for not responding to it. The Bible does not say that stillborn/aborted babies will go to hell, nor those with learning disabilities who may never be able to respond in a way that we would count as meaningful.
If it DID say that, I'd believe it and that would end the discussion. If you could show me chapter and verse which says that God will judge those people for rejecting him when they never knew him, I'd believe it.
But you can't.

That's why there are so many pages of discussion on this - no one knows.

 

[Strong in Him]

But it does tell us unambiguously what is required to be saved! And that once a person dies- their judgment comes in! So it does answer the question of those who never hear- they are lost!

So a loving, merciful, compassionate, just God sends people to hell for rejecting his Son even though they had never heard of him and did not know what they had to do to be saved?

Doesn't sound like him at all.

 

[Victor in Christ]

No, he killed his enemies.
Samson's strength disappeared when he had his hair cut; we read "he did not know that the Lord had left him." Because of that, the Philistines were able to capture him. They had already poked his eyes out, they were humiliating him by making him entertain them and they may well have been going to kill him.
Samson was in that position through his own fault - he had told Delilah that if his hair was cut he would lose his strength, and she told his enemies. Samson asked the lord to remember him one last time; he would destroy his enemies, and lose his life in the process.

Jesus was without sin and loved his enemies so much that he gave his life for them and asked God to forgive them.

If you want to stretch a point you could say that both died for others, but the circumstances were completely different, and Jesus would still have come and died if Sansom had not been born, or had been obedient.



Yes, but an angel of the Lord is not the same as God the Son coming briefly to earth in the OT. One is an angel; the other is God himself.

And the angel came to tell the woman that her son, Samson, would be born - which is nothing to do with "making sure that the Christ came".
It was always God's will for Jesus to become incarnate.

I don't understand fully what your saying. The way i understand your posts is that it didn't matter what happened in the OT, Christ would come no matter what. That sounds unreasonable and slightly disturbing to me as it could lead to the idea Satan is fully defeated: ie-(full-preterism). There are so many prophecies in the OT predicting Christ's life on Earth, his hardships, his crucifiction, his burial, his ascention and even his return (eschatology)

There are something like 92 prophecies in the book of Psalms alone which foretell of Christ.

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't understand fully what your saying. The way i understand your posts is that it didn't matter what happened in the OT, Christ would come no matter what.

Originally I was just responding to the comment that Samson died to make sure that Christ would come. That is not the case.
Christ was always going to come to die and reconcile mankind to God - it was the only way, and was prophesied by the prophets. Whether Samson had obeyed God and lived a long life, or died as he did, made no difference.
The Lord told Adam in the Garden of Eden that one of his descendants would crush the serpent - this is a prophecy about Christ defeating the devil (serpent).
When Abraham was told to offer Isaac as a sacrifice, said to him "the Lord himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering", that was foreshadowing what would happen on the cross - the Lord provided a sacrifice to take away our sin; his Son, the Lamb of God.
Isaiah spoke of Jesus as the suffering servant.
After his resurrection, Jesus explained what the Scriptures said about him - starting with Moses and the prophets.
Peter called Jesus the Lamb chosen from the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:20

That sounds unreasonable and slightly disturbing to me

Jesus' birth, death, ministry, suffering, resurrection, ascension etc were prophesied in the OT long before he came - it's Scriptural.

as it could lead to the idea Satan is fully defeated: ie-(full-preterism).

I've no idea what Preterism is.
The devil IS defeated; he cannot, and will not, ultimately win. But he is still on earth (sadly) for the moment.

There are so many prophecies in the OT predicting Christ's life on Earth, his hardships, his crucifiction, his burial, his ascention and even his return (eschatology)

There are something like 92 prophecies in the book of Psalms alone which foretell of Christ.

That's what I've been saying all along - Samson did not have to "make sure" Christ would come; it was prophesied that he would, and he obeyed his Father.
Your post made it sound as though the Son of God was undecided whether to be born on earth or not, so Samson had to disobey God, be captured by his enemies and die, and that would somehow make up his mind.

I guess you're trying to say that because Samson was selfless and said that if God gave him the strength to push the pillars of the building down, then he would sacrifice his life to die with them, and that is somehow like Christ giving his life for the world.
But as I said, it's not really.
Samson wanted to kill his enemies; those who were fighting Israel and those who had humiliated him. He was a prisoner of those enemies - captured because he let Delilah cut his hair, after which, God left him.
Jesus loved his enemies and gave his life for us. He willingly offered his perfect life as a sacrifice, so that God's enemies could live. The only way we could be reconciled to God was if someone who was both man and God, and who lived a perfect life, gave his life as a ransom for sin, Mark 19:45.

So, Samson or no Samson; Jesus would have come to die for the sins of the world.

 

[Victor in Christ]

to cut a long debate short. Christ and the holy spirit was with God from the creation of the universe. Christ had to come down to Earth in human form from the tribe of Judah to offer a one time sacrifice for all mankind.

I can never ever agree with you that Christ would have come in human form for our salvation , without every little detail in the old testament being played out, under God's divine will.

 

[Strong in Him]

to cut a long debate short. Christ and the holy spirit was with God from the creation of the universe. Christ had to come down to Earth in human form from the tribe of Judah to offer a one time sacrifice for all mankind.

I know.

I can never ever agree with you that Christ would have come in human form for our salvation , without every little detail in the old testament being played out, under God's divine will.

Jesus fulfilled prophecy - all the prophecies given about him.
Samson's death was not one of those prophecies.

Samson had disobeyed God; God left him because he was disobedient. Because of that, and because he had no strength left, he was captured by his enemies. In his death, Samson killed his enemies.
This is not at all like Jesus, who never disobeyed God and willingly gave his life for his enemies. He died so that we could LIVE.

Not that any of this has to do with suicide.