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Will you really go to hell if you commit suicide?

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Well if that's what you think; so be it.
You may be right; you may be wrong. You may be sitting in heaven one day and see a, formerly, mentally ill person/person with learning disabilities who ended their own life be admitted, and ask the Lord why he didn't stick to the rules. Or you may get to heaven and hear the Lord say, "you were correct; I am as harsh as you made me out to be."

It is not what I think or feel! It is what the Word of God says. No one is beyond the reach of being saved. But god has set the means of how one is to be saved. Even the most mentally ill, if their heart desires God can be saved!
 
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For those who hear the Gospel, have it explained to them, have the chance to ask questions/think about it; yes, they accept it or reject it.
I'm saying that not everyone hears, or understands, the Gospel.
I'm saying that there are some who cannot grasp that God loves them, because they hate themselves/no one has ever talked of love without demanding sex. I am saying that some of these people might be so depressed/mentally ill that they end their lives, rather than live in hell any longer.
I am saying that I believe the Lord has compassion on anyone like this, and would not say "you were mentally ill, through no fault of your own, could not understand the Gospel, through no fault of your own, and therefore didn't respond to it, so therefore you will be treated exactly the same as someone who KNEW the Gospel but chose to deliberately reject it."

God is judge, and I leave it to him.
But I believe he is also compassionate and merciful.

Well you are creating your own theology of salvation in opposition to the Word of God! Why should anyone believe you above the Bible?
 
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It is not what I think or feel! It is what the Word of God says. No one is beyond the reach of being saved. But god has set the means of how one is to be saved. Even the most mentally ill, if their heart desires God can be saved!

That's the problem though - a mentally ill/severely depressed person may well not be capable of hearing, and believing the Gospel. They may hate God for allowing them to suffer; they may well believe that they are worthless and that no one loves them.
A number of depressed people with suicidal feelings believe that the world/their family would be happier and better off without them.

One of the symptoms of depression is that you don't care about anything, lose interest in everything. I doubt that a depressed person has "heart's desires."
 
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Most of them are so depressed, are in so much pain, disabled, bed ridden, a vegetable, mentally ill, and such. They have a reason to end their life.

Hello Debbie.

I have heard it said from several persons in just such a state that there is not much love shown to them by the church. And yet Jesus told us to love one another, by this all men will know his disciples, because they will love one another. It should be impossible for a Christian to be alone or depressed, because we should love one another.

I have known of four Christians who committed suicide.

Luke 14:12-14 could be an answer to the cliquey church.

IMO suicide points to a wider sin, the sin of a self-centered, Godless community. God Bless You :)
 
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Samson was commended for his faith in Hebrews 11. Samson committed suicide. God Bless :)

Is wasn't to end his own life from the misery he was in, it was so that the Messiah (Christ) would come and die on the cross for our sinners and rise again
 
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Well you are creating your own theology of salvation in opposition to the Word of God! Why should anyone believe you above the Bible?

No reason anyone should take notice of my opinion.
But the Bible does not say that if someone is severely depressed and incapable of hearing the Gospel, that's their tough luck; that they will be condemned for being ill and not being able to believe.

The Bible doesn't say, and I happen to believe that God is not like that.
Ok, so I may be wrong - but so might you. As the Bible doesn't say; we don't know.
 
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Is wasn't to end his own life from the misery he was in, it was so that the Messiah (Christ) would come and die on the cross for our sinners and rise again

How do you work that one out?
Jesus was always going to come to die for us.
 
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How do you work that one out?
Jesus was always going to come to die for us.

Why did Satan try to stop the Israelites through many peoples/nations/false prophets, etc in the Old testament from fulfilling the plan for our salvation? Look at Haman who tried to kill all the Israelites by building gallows to kill them all, the Lord didn't allow it to happen. Haman tried to kill the Israelites but eventually died on the own gallows he built.
 
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Why did Satan try to stop the Israelites through many peoples/nations/false prophets, etc in the Old testament from fulfilling the plan for our salvation? Look at Haman who tried to kill all the Israelites by building gallows to kill them all, the Lord didn't allow it to happen. Haman tried to kill the Israelites but eventually died on the own gallows he built.

Yes, I know.
But it was prophesied in the Garden of Eden that Adam's descendant would crush the devil. Peter called Jesus "the Lamb chosen from the foundation of the word", 1 Peter 1:20.
IF anyone had succeeded in wiping out God's people, Christ would have been born to another race.

Samson's death had nothing to do with Jesus' birth.
 
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Correct, although Samson's death had to do with Jesus' birth. Samson had to make sure Jesus would come. This is repeated over and over in the OT where there was someone raised up to defeat an opposition to Christ and that had to be carried out. Samson's mother was a God fearing woman and she knew it when a christophany appeared in the form of an angel. Samson's father although a believing man had to be convinced of it.
 
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Correct, although Samson's death had to do with Jesus' birth. Samson had to make sure Jesus would come. This is repeated over and over in the OT where there was someone raised up to defeat an opposition to Christ and that had to be carried out. Samson's mother was a God fearing woman and she knew it when a christophany appeared in the form of an angel. Samson's father although a believing man had to be convinced of it.

Sorry, but I disagree that Samson had to make sure that God the Son would do his Father's will and be born on earth.

Samson was a judge, called by God, who was led astray by a woman. As a result of this, he was captured by his enemies and his hair cut off. Before his birth his mother had been told that no one was to cut his hair, so when this happened, God left him and his strength vanished. The Philistines humiliated him, put his eyes out and mocked God. Samson's last prayer to God was that his strength would return long enough for him to kill the Philistines, and himself with them.

I doubt Samson's mother had any idea what a Christophany was; and we don't know that the angel that appeared to her was the pre-incarnate Christ.
Even without Samson, Christ would have come to die for the sins of the world. The only way for sinful mankind to be reconciled to the Father was for someone who was both man and God and who had lived a perfect life, to offer that life as a sacrifice.
 
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Sorry, but I disagree that Samson had to make sure that God the Son would do his Father's will and be born on earth.

Samson was a judge, called by God, who was led astray by a woman. As a result of this, he was captured by his enemies and his hair cut off. Before his birth his mother had been told that no one was to cut his hair, so when this happened, God left him and his strength vanished. The Philistines humiliated him, put his eyes out and mocked God. Samson's last prayer to God was that his strength would return long enough for him to kill the Philistines, and himself with them.

What happened in the end? Samson didn't just kill himself....

I doubt Samson's mother had any idea what a Christophany was; and we don't know that the angel that appeared to her was the pre-incarnate Christ.
Even without Samson, Christ would have come to die for the sins of the world. The only way for sinful mankind to be reconciled to the Father was for someone who was both man and God and who had lived a perfect life, to offer that life as a sacrifice.

Judges 13:1 "The children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the Lord...", so Samson had to be born.
Judges 13 Samson's wife knew it was an angel of the Lord (today we call it a Christophany). Samson's father wasn't sure until the angel of the Lord ascended up in the flame to the offering made.
 
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Thankfully most churches have moved since the medieval period and decided that everything could considered a sin. Most now recognize that there is some form of mental illness like depression. Instead of persecuting people with these ideas we should try to help them through with guidance and love. The only sin I see is that suicide usually means the loss of another precious life that could have been saved if help had been on hand.
 
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That's the problem though - a mentally ill/severely depressed person may well not be capable of hearing, and believing the Gospel. They may hate God for allowing them to suffer; they may well believe that they are worthless and that no one loves them.
A number of depressed people with suicidal feelings believe that the world/their family would be happier and better off without them.

One of the symptoms of depression is that you don't care about anything, lose interest in everything. I doubt that a depressed person has "heart's desires."

That is mere supposition on your part! IN reality we do not know exactly what an infant or severely mentally ill person is spiritually capapble of receiving or not receiving. The only thing we can say is that God knows those who are His and His love will not cause one that He gave to Jesus to be lost! YOu are making statements only based on what you think may be true- when it may not be!
 
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No reason anyone should take notice of my opinion.
But the Bible does not say that if someone is severely depressed and incapable of hearing the Gospel, that's their tough luck; that they will be condemned for being ill and not being able to believe.

The Bible doesn't say, and I happen to believe that God is not like that.
Ok, so I may be wrong - but so might you. As the Bible doesn't say; we don't know.

No it doesn't say that specifically, but it does say specifically that unless a person is born from above they will not even see the kingdom of God! and it also says there is salvation in no other name and that If a person trusts in the Lord they will be saved! It is crystal clear who is saved and how they are to be saved. there is no plan B for the mentally ill or those who never heard the name Jesus!
 
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That is mere supposition on your part! IN reality we do not know exactly what an infant or severely mentally ill person is spiritually capapble of receiving or not receiving.

That's why I said "MAY".

The only thing we can say is that God knows those who are His and His love will not cause one that He gave to Jesus to be lost! YOu are making statements only based on what you think may be true- when it may not be!

May be, could be, might be - like I said, we don't know.
Again, I am trusting in the mercy and compassion of God.
 
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