Will we see the Trinity in heaven

[adhidw]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Before we dig profoundly the topic above, we need to know first that; The realm in which we live is a temporal realm, it means that this realm has a period of its existence at a time when it is surpassed that it must no longer exist in its place.

Almighty God is an immortal being unlimited by the dimension of space and time, and He is also the alpha and omega, meaning that even if the earth we live in has been over God still remains.

If the earth we live in is a temporary realm, then the creatures that exist on this earth are also temporary (only when this temporal existence exists), if God is eternal then the man He created living on this earth also is not for His ultimate purpose but only for a while wandering or sojourning then surely move to the eternal world (where God is), But how could this temporal being be in eternal realm that is not bound by space and time limitation?, surely they not fit to live in this eternal realm?. The conclusion is the spirit of man that will come eternally and this human spirit surely is not a natural product of this perishable realm , means that the human spirit must be the eternal realm product which was placed by God to exist in the physical body of man to temporarily wander / sojourn in This perishable earth for a particular purpose of God which had been planned since before this perishable world was formed.

Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.


Ecc12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it


Jer1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations


Then what is His particular purpose for His people while sojourning this perishable earth?

If we learn from the Bible that eternal realm is not limited by time, it means that whenever its existence will remain flat its graph / no change / its inhabitant does not get older or more and more clever or more stupid / steady, but not for this perishable realm there is birth there is death there is young there is old there is clever there is fool, so His particular purpose for His people while sojourning in this perishable earth is Growth for growth does not exist in eternal realm.


Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope


1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:




Heb5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat


2Pet3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen


If God's particular purpose for His people is growth (obviously, humans prior did not know the difference between good and evil), then what is God's ultimate goal for His creation?

Glorifying God: the human mouth and heart say that “glory is for God alone”.


Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him



Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love


If the ultimate goal (glorifying God) can be achieved simply without passing into the perishable realm, God surely chose this simplest way, but it turn out that sojourning through this perishable realm is the only way that the ultimate goal can be achieved .

Since man can glorify God, man must come to understand that the salvation (living in eternal realm with God) is the grace of God alone.

Salvation= grace of God alone, then the men must understand and agree that they will never be able to achieve the salvation through their own efforts what ever those sound good.


Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away


Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us



Then start gradually God teaches His people through His word which is written from Genesis to Revelation, and His people verify themselves.

First; In the premise of "Salvation = the grace of God alone" there must be the Chosen people which means the spirit beings/ vessel of mercy (Rom9:23) who were sent by God from the eternal Realm to the perishable realm while it is in the process of development / purification until finally win / understood ( vessel of mercy abode in to the vessel unto honors ( Rom9:23 , 9:21 ), or only those whose names were written in the book of life Since before the creation of the world, or surely the devil can not partake even though he also exists in the temporal realm( vessels of wrath Rom9:22) and also dwells in the natural human body / earth dust Gen3: 14 /born of flesh ( vessels unto dishonor Rom9:21), then here appears It is clear that there is a difference between those who are the chosen people, and those who are born of flesh where these very people are possible to become the camp of the devil ----- > the chosen = born of God (in the physical body there is a human spirit which God sent to wander/sojourn On earth /vessels of mercy Rom9:23 abide in to vessels unto honor Rom9:21), relating to this then God is the Father of this chosen people, there is also the man of the world = the dust = born of flesh = possible to be the devil’s camp= possible the devil surely will be the father of these men (John 8:44 ,Mat 3:7, Mat23:33 , swine Mark5:12 ).

Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So it is clear: in order to His people/the chosen understood that “salvation = the grace of God alone” then; God must introduce Himself as the Father of His people --à God the Father.

Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.


Mat23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven



It must also be taught to them/His people/the chosen that while they are sojourning/wandering in this perishable earth they surely will be kept by God Himself as a guide, entertainer, helper, that they surely will not be a meal of the devil, here: God must introduce Himself as the Holy Spirit --à God the Holy spirit.


Luke11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.

11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first


Isa44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

Isa51:12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;



Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you

Finally His people also should be compelled to witnessing the manifestation of the God Grace that was demonstrated by the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir through crucifixion and resurrection ( because naturally they will never grasp and admit about it , proven : no one realized that they were all vanity creatures they still enthusiastically tried to fulfill the mosaic laws until that time/ Jesus time ( Sabbath, circumcise , sacrifice , fasting etc ) , though they had been given around 1,500 years period of time for verifying they themselves about their vanity in the God eyes , began from the day God gave the mosaic laws in Mosses age until Jesus ), where in the OT also had been revealed well that the savoir is only God Himself, the redeemer is only God Himself ( Isa 49:26) , so relating to this event : God must introduce Himself as God the Son.


Hence until here it is clear that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are the identities of God Himself so that His people who were sent to sojourn to this perishable realm “well understood “ that Salvation = only by God’s Grace.


Some additions ; If God did not create men in this perishable realm, then there must have been an eternal realm whose inhabitants were God, angels and demons (the spirits), where the angel had no gender, would God introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to the angels? Of course not because the term is very strange to them who is genderless, not able to multiply, and who cannot interchange his position (from devil to faithful angel vice versa).


Isa44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;



Can His people finally understand? Salvation= God's grace alone if God did not introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to man?.

 

[JIMINZ]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

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Only to those who are skeptical of the reality of who God is.

 

[Greg J.]

This is not a debate thread; it is a trolling thread. No one has reconciled what it means that our One God is in three Persons in terms that can be conveyed to another human. Further progress is not going to be made here. However, Scripture is clear that there is but One God, and Scripture is also clear that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. If a human can't understand God, then that is a human limitation that says nothing about the nature of God.

 

[DamianWarS]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

doesn't the incarnation present the same problem

 

[JerseyChristianSuperstar]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

Jesus is the only Person of the Trinity who has a physical body, the other two Divine Persons are incorporeal and bodiless. We will see a light of glowing and shining in Heaven, but only God the Son will have a physical body.

 

[DamianWarS]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

"But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." Stephen's experience was visual. Although this seems paradoxical to the trinity there does seem to be elements of this that go beyond merely metaphor.

 

[FatalHeart]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

Even in visions of the chariot in the Bible there are two people. One surrounded by the cherubim, and the other on the throne above and separated from everything by the terrible crystal. I'm pretty sure you're gonna see Jesus wandering around and the Father staying put in His quarters or riding around on the chariot. As for the Holy Spirit, that one is going to be hard to visualize unless it's something like those eyes that are out over the whole world... Meh. He is going to make all things new, so, it's probably not wise to conjecture too much till Jesus comes back.

 

[Godistruth1]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

No we will see only One true God in heaven not 3 gods

 

[fhansen]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

Many places in the Old Testament exhort us to seek God's face, and 1 Cor 13 tells us that, in the next life, we'll see Him "face to face". To "see" God is to know Him, directly and fully, and that knowledge is a gift, impossible to obtain on our own due to His infinite superiority. And that "vision" happens to cause sheer unbridled enthrallment in the beholder.

 

[Dave L]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

I think we will see Jesus glorified, just as we saw him before his glorification. When Jesus sat on a rock, he was seated at the right hand of God as a man with the Trinity as his person. In heaven the man is now glorified, but his person is still the Holy Trinity.

 

[brinny]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

What an interesting question. It DOES prompt one to think n' dig a little, doesn't it?

Now when i think of heaven, aka the Kingdom of God, it brings me back to the very origin that the Bible speaks of, and that would be Genesis.

Now when God created Adam, and then Eve, He was right there, wasn't He? He was right there when His Spirit "brooded" over the deep, before Adam and Eve, wasn't He?

Now what also comes to mind is that God "walked" with Adam in the cool of the day, in a garden, didn't He?

This was BEFORE sin came into the picture.

What also comes to mind is Psalms, and a verse in particular where we are admonished to seek "God's face". And David's response is "Thy face will i seek".

Now it seems to me that our greatest desire and longing would be to SEE God's face, if HE is our greatest longing/desire, wouldn't it?

If He isn't, why would we ever BE in heaven in the first place?

Why would it not be as it was BEFORE sin slammed the world and the curses changed the course of history and death and condemnation claimed every single soul since then.

Separation from God had occurred.

To be WITH God means that there is no more separation. NONE.

Therefore it will be as it was when Adam walked with God in the cool of the day in a garden.

In other words we will SEE His FACE.

However, it has been said by a preacher once that yes, ev'ry body wants to go to heaven.

Many just don't want GOD to be there.

 

[RaymondG]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

The bible doesnt say that we will see a "trinity" in heaven....so why ask this question? It would be better to use terms found in the bible.

Are you asking if we will be able to see Jesus, and see the Holy Spirit, and see The Father if we get to heaven?

God is light, God is spirit.... The Holy spirit is Spirit. Are you asking if we will be able to see Spirits in the form of a human?

If you narrow your question down to simple terms directly from the bible it will have a better chance of being productive and would be less likely to turn in a debate about the doctrine of Trinity.

 

[dqhall]

Okay about the Holy Spirit not knowing when judgement day is. Is there any christian apologist answer to this?

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

The Holy Spirit is an extension of God that was made manifest on the day of Pentecost.

Luke 24:49 (WEB) Public Domain
Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high.

Acts 1:4 (WEB)
Being assembled together with them, he commanded them, "Don't depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which you heard from me.

Acts 2:1-13 World English Bible (WEB)
2 Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 Suddenly there came from the sky a sound like the rushing of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 Tongues like fire appeared and were distributed to them, and one sat on each of them. 4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other languages, as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak. 5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under the sky. 6 When this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were bewildered, because everyone heard them speaking in his own language. 7 They were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Behold, aren’t all these who speak Galileans? 8 How do we hear, everyone in our own native language? 9 Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and people from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the parts of Libya around Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabians: we hear them speaking in our languages the mighty works of God!”

 

[RDKirk]

Jesus is the only Person of the Trinity who has a physical body, the other two Divine Persons are incorporeal and bodiless. We will see a light of glowing and shining in Heaven, but only God the Son will have a physical body.

I don't think we will "see" even that with our physical eyes. I don't think there is a way to physically "see" that which is incorporeal and bodiless in any way.

 

[RDKirk]

"But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." Stephen's experience was visual. Although this seems paradoxical to the trinity there does seem to be elements of this that go beyond merely metaphor.

Stephen's experience was described visually.

Thirty years ago, my wife and I were both involved in an encounter with a demon. The Holy Spirit provided each of us with separate and different discernments of that demon. The discernment given to me was visual, but the discernment given to her was aural.

Same demon, but we would describe it differently according to the different discernments given to us. I'd have to describe what I saw, she would have to describe what she heard.

But in fact, the demon had neither a physical form nor a physical sound. My eyes did not receive actual physical light rays, her ears did not receive actual physical sound waves.

And Stephen's eyes did not receive actual light rays reflecting from a physical heaven. He discerned as "sight" a vision given to him by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ronald]

That doesn't tell any thing about trinity in heaven.
And if we suppose we will see Jesus in heaven due to jesus having 2 natures , then he will pray to father [due to being limited Human].

Also Your friend made me even more confused by that verse,
the verse says Jesus would be sitting at right hand of God. if He is God how is he sitting in his own right hand?

The Bible uses figurative language. The Holy Spirit is invisible. They saw Him descend (as a dove -- in the form of a dove), meaning light, or fire glowing, fluttering and resting upon Jesus at His baptism. However, Christians are baptized by the Holy Spirit and He lives inside us, spiritually. The Father does not have a physical body, He is Spirit. We'll be able to see Him, however, that He has a "right hand" is figurative. God emptied Himself into Mary's womb and Jesus was born, human. He is the God/Man and therefore has a resurrected body in the same appearance as man with all the parts - not sure if a male organ are part of that package. We will be resurrected with eternal bodies, human in appearance but with abilities as angels, to appear, disappear, ascend to and descend from heaven - multi-dimensional bodies, that will never get sick or die. So, the "right hand" is a metaphor for righteous and equal to His Father. Notice it doesn't say who is at his left hand. Maybe at one time Lucifer was?
I could be wrong about the being able to see the Holy Spirit in Heaven. Since He is everywhere, then He is not in any one location!

 

[discipler7]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

No, believers in Christ will see only God, the Father, in heaven, ie not Jesus. Jesus is seen by believers only on earth. No man has ever seen God (the Father) on earth.(EXODUS.33:20, JOHN.1:18 & 5:37)

God the Father is eternally in heaven. The Son or God-in-the-flesh and the Holy Spirit of God are on earth. An analogy of the Trinity = the sun in outer space, her light and her warmth/heat on earth. God and the sun is one, not three. IOW, there is only one God and one sun, not three Gods and three suns.
....... Seeing Jesus on earth = seeing the Father.(JOHN.14:8-9)

A great gulf separates heaven and earth because of Adam's Original Sin(ROMANS.5:12). Only faith in Jesus Christ can bridge this gulf and bring or 'teleport' fallen Man from earth to the kingdom of heaven = saved from hell when they leave this earth or die or be raptured.

1CORINTHIANS.15:20-26 = The Last Enemy Destroyed
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

 

[JoeP222w]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

We (those who have repented of sin and are trusting in Christ) will see Jesus. The Bible does not reveal the exact details of how this will be.

Finite creatures that we are, even in Heaven, will never be able to grasp the complete fullness of the infinite God.

 

[JoeP222w]

the verse says Jesus would be sitting at right hand of God. if He is God how is he sitting in his own right hand?

Metaphorical language.

 

[RDKirk]

The Bible uses figurative language. The Holy Spirit is invisible. They saw Him descend (as a dove -- in the form of a dove), meaning light, or fire glowing, fluttering and resting upon Jesus at His baptism. However, Christians are baptized by the Holy Spirit and He lives inside us, spiritually. The Father does not have a physical body, He is Spirit. We'll be able to see Him, however, that He has a "right hand" is figurative. God emptied Himself into Mary's womb and Jesus was born, human. He is the God/Man and therefore has a resurrected body in the same appearance as man with all the parts - not sure if a male organ are part of that package. We will be resurrected with eternal bodies, human in appearance but with abilities as angels, to appear, disappear, ascend to and descend from heaven - multi-dimensional bodies, that will never get sick or die. So, the "right hand" is a metaphor for righteous and equal to His Father. Notice it doesn't say who is at his left hand. Maybe at one time Lucifer was?
I could be wrong about the being able to see the Holy Spirit in Heaven. Since He is everywhere, then He is not in any one location!

"At the right hand" was a metaphor that meant "agent of execution."

To be at a sovereign's right hand meant you were the person who executed the sovereign's decisions.

I only do what I see the Father doing

The Son is the Agent of execution--which is what Stephen was saying that Jesus is. Of God, the Son is the Agent of execution--which was news for the Sanhedrin.