Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[Gary K]

Nope. The reason GOD said HE would raise up a “prophet” was because the people did not want to hear the voice of GOD lest they perish

They told Moses they would listen to him

And GOD said they have spoken well. (Therefore) I will raise up a “prophet” and I will put my words in his mouth and he will say all that I command

And if ANYONE will not listen to HIM..,,I will require it

Did the Jews listen? Nope. Instead they crucified Jesus. Were they "all" saved? Nope. Only a remnant. Only a small number of the Jews accepted Jesus.

What did Paul say about the Israelites of Moses' day?

Hebrews 3: 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Ephesians 6: 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things arenaked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Hebrews 5: 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Notice that Hebrews 6:1 is a continuation of the thought of Hebrews 5. Here are the synonyms of "therefore".

Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 (moby-thesaurus)
64 Moby Thesaurus words for "therefore":
according to circumstances, accordingly, after all,
all things considered, and so, as a consequence, as a result,
as it is, as matters stand, at that rate, because of that,
because of this, before the bench, before the court,
ceteris paribus, consequently, considering, equally, ergo,
everything being equal, finally, for that, for that cause,
for that reason, for this cause, for this reason, for which reason,
hence, hereat, in court, in that case, in that event,
inconsequence, inevitably, it follows that, naturally,
naturellement, necessarily, of course, of necessity, on balance,
on that account, on that ground, on the whole, on this account,
propter hoc, so, sub judice, taking into account, that being so,
then, thence, thereat, therefor, therefrom, thereupon,
this being so, thus, thusly, thuswise, under the circumstances,
whence, wherefore, wherefrom

So, Hebrews 6:1 could be written as: On this account leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection....

Ephesians 4: 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1Corinthians 1: 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

"All things" includes sanctification, the growing towards the measure of the fullness of the perfection of Christ.
Going on to perfection is not growing beyond Christ, it is growing up into the fullness of, the growing up into Him in all things for Jesus is to us, wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.

 

[miknik5]

Did the Jews listen? Nope. Instead they crucified Jesus. Were they "all" saved? Nope. Only a remnant. Only a small number of the Jews accepted Jesus.

What did Paul say about the Israelites of Moses' day?





Notice that Hebrews 6:1 is a continuation of the thought of Hebrews 5. Here are the synonyms of "therefore".

So, Hebrews 6:1 could be written as: On this account leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection....


"All things" includes sanctification, the growing towards the measure of the fullness of the perfection of Christ.
Going on to perfection is not growing beyond Christ, it is growing up into the fullness of, the growing up into Him in all things for Jesus is to us, wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.

Yes. And yet you imply there’s another covenant

CHRIST said HE is THE SON over THE HOUSE. And as THE SON HE abides forever. And if HE sets you free you are free

This HE said to those Jews who knew they had sin but didn’t want to be a servant to “just a man”

Showing they didn’t believe who HE said HE is


How many FOUNDATIONS to the ONE HOUSE are there?

 

[Gary K]

Yes. And yet you imply there’s another covenant

CHRIST said HE is THE SON over THE HOUSE. And as THE SON HE abides forever. And if HE sets you free you are free

This HE said to those Jews who knew they had sin but didn’t want to be a servant to “just a man”

Showing they didn’t believe who HE said HE is


How many FOUNDATIONS to the ONE HOUSE are there?

I'm not the one who says there are multiple covenants. It's the Bible, or in other words, God, who says there are multiple covenants. Who am I to argue with God?

 

[klutedavid]

I came across this:
"This second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus. Today, many orthodox Jews long to re-establish the temple and its ancient systems, including the sacrifices. Some even hope that the story of Cyrus will be repeated by a modern ruler.

These Jews took great encouragement when Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election in the United States because they remembered his promise to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. They also note that Russian leader Vladimir Putin has expressed a desire for the temple to be restored. “We are poised to rebuild the Temple,” said Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for a group called the Nascent Sanhedrin"..The third temple prophecy

Why would they want to build an ancient temple, we are in the digital age now.

 

[Gary K]

It's like Paul says:

1Corinthians 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God isfaithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[Gary K]

Why would they want to build an ancient temple, we are in the digital age now.

I'm not reddogs, so I can't answer for him, but I would say neither he nor I could answer your question. You'd have to ask the Jews that think this to get your answer. Anything reddogs or I could say would be merely supposition on our parts, as we aren't the people that think that way.

 

[Gary K]

Yes. And yet you imply there’s another covenant

CHRIST said HE is THE SON over THE HOUSE. And as THE SON HE abides forever. And if HE sets you free you are free

This HE said to those Jews who knew they had sin but didn’t want to be a servant to “just a man”

Showing they didn’t believe who HE said HE is


How many FOUNDATIONS to the ONE HOUSE are there?

I already answered this, but that answer doesn't really tell the entire story of how I view this.

The Bible tells me that "the heart is deceitful above all things desperately wicked. Who can know it?" I believe this from the bottom of my heart. I know it is true for my heart is deceitful with me and desperately wicked. That is my natural state of existence. David said he was shaped in iniquity and his mother conceived him in sin. That's also true for me. The only state of being I have ever known is a sinful state. It is outside of my natural paradigm to understand complete and total righteousness. How can I truly understand what real holiness is? It is foreign to me. I live in a world in which all I see around me is sinfulness. I see God's righteousness, as Paul said, through a glass darkly.

Plus, I am mortal and finite. God is immortal and infinite. As a Seventh-day Adventist I have been told that those who make it to heaven will study the science of salvation for all eternity, and even then we will always be finding new understandings opening to our minds on this subject. Imagine, if you can, studying a subject for a million years and yet still never coming to complete understanding of the subject, and having just as much still to learn as when you first started studying the subject. This tells me that every minute detail in the Bible is very important to understand, and that I cannot assume anything. Nothing is without a deeper meaning than I can possibly understand.

So how can I stand up and tell God that He has it wrong when He says in His word that He has made multiple covenants with mankind? How can I be so arrogant and proud to figuratively shake my finger in His face and say I know better than He does. The very idea scares me. Puny little ignorant me will defy what the almighty, infinite, God has told me is true?

Thus I take God's word as it is written, unless of course it is very obviously symbolic. I let the Bible explain itself to me. I do all in my power not to allow my biases to influence me. I ask, every time before I open God's word to study it, for wisdom, for understanding, and that He keep me from inserting my biases into His word. I claim His promises that He will send His Spirit to open my heart, my mind, to His word and plant it deeply within my heart for when He says something it cannot be false. His word has creative power. The same creative power that spoke everything into existence has the power to recreate me back into His image, if I will only allow it. Then I trust Him to do just that, for I know that a puny finite mortal like me can never understand on my own what the infinite God is saying to me. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth, and I rest in that promise. I also know I don't have a clue as to how to make myself holy, or to remake myself back into His image. How could I? It is outside of everything I've ever seen or known that is common to this world.

You're welcome to look at things the way you desire, but for me this is the only way I can look at them. There is no other way of looking at these things, at least for me. I have to be totally dependent on God to learn about Him.

 

[R. Hartono]

Antichrist will have to build it quickly as his reign is only 3½ years. It ha been 46 years in the building in Jesus day and wasn't finished till the reign of Nero only about 4 or five years before it was destroyed.

I read it somewhere the Jews can build it in 3 months.

 

[miknik5]

I'm not the one who says there are multiple covenants. It's the Bible, or in other words, God, who says there are multiple covenants. Who am I to argue with God?

There is only ONE people to whom GOD was speaking. HIS CHOSEN. And THE PROMISE was to Abraham and his seed

But we know that it wasn’t really Abrahams seed GOD was speaking of (we know that it wasn’t through the promised son, Isaac) that he’s be the father of many nations

It is through CHRIST

And it is only through the ONE SEED that we have an inheritance in the things pertaining to GOD

 

[miknik5]

I already answered this, but that answer doesn't really tell the entire story of how I view this.

The Bible tells me that "the heart is deceitful above all things desperately wicked. Who can know it?" I believe this from the bottom of my heart. I know it is true for my heart is deceitful with me and desperately wicked. That is my natural state of existence. David said he was shaped in iniquity and his mother conceived him in sin. That's also true for me. The only state of being I have ever known is a sinful state. It is outside of my natural paradigm to understand complete and total righteousness. How can I truly understand what real holiness is? It is foreign to me. I live in a world in which all I see around me is sinfulness. I see God's righteousness, as Paul said, through a glass darkly.

Plus, I am mortal and finite. God is immortal and infinite. As a Seventh-day Adventist I have been told that those who make it to heaven will study the science of salvation for all eternity, and even then we will always be finding new understandings opening to our minds on this subject. Imagine, if you can, studying a subject for a million years and yet still never coming to complete understanding of the subject, and having just as much still to learn as when you first started studying the subject. This tells me that every minute detail in the Bible is very important to understand, and that I cannot assume anything. Nothing is without a deeper meaning than I can possibly understand.

So how can I stand up and tell God that He has it wrong when He says in His word that He has made multiple covenants with mankind? How can I be so arrogant and proud to figuratively shake my finger in His face and say I know better than He does. The very idea scares me. Puny little ignorant me will defy what the almighty, infinite, God has told me is true?

Thus I take God's word as it is written, unless of course it is very obviously symbolic. I let the Bible explain itself to me. I do all in my power not to allow my biases to influence me. I ask, every time before I open God's word to study it, for wisdom, for understanding, and that He keep me from inserting my biases into His word. I claim His promises that He will send His Spirit to open my heart, my mind, to His word and plant it deeply within my heart for when He says something it cannot be false. His word has creative power. The same creative power that spoke everything into existence has the power to recreate me back into His image, if I will only allow it. Then I trust Him to do just that, for I know that a puny finite mortal like me can never understand on my own what the infinite God is saying to me. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth, and I rest in that promise. I also know I don't have a clue as to how to make myself holy, or to remake myself back into His image. How could I? It is outside of everything I've ever seen or known that is common to this world.

You're welcome to look at things the way you desire, but for me this is the only way I can look at them. There is no other way of looking at these things, at least for me. I have to be totally dependent on God to learn about Him.

CHRIST sir

Faith in CHRIST
HOPE in CHRIST


Is the answer

You will stand up before GOD and your mouth will be closed and you will point to THE CROSS and believe that all that HE did HE did for you because you could not open a way back into heaven apart from that TRUE VEIL through whom all men must come

And THAT VEIL is HIS BODY

 

[miknik5]

It's like Paul says:

You are referring to unbelief sir

And you were also told by Paul to fight the good fight of faith. That the “righteous” shall live by faith...from faith to faith....from first to last

And even the author of Hebrews reminds us to hold fast to our confidence

And by John as well. to be careful that what we began in remains in us (1 John 2)

 

[miknik5]

Another thing. Each has been given a gift for the building up of HIS BODY

All for one purpose so that we will all grow up into THE HEAD til we all reach the unity of faith

And that faith is directed in and on CHRIST JESUS alone

 

[Gary K]

You are referring to unbelief sir

And you were also told by Paul to fight the good fight of faith. That the “righteous” shall live by faith...from faith to faith....from first to last

And even the author of Hebrews reminds us to hold fast to our confidence

And by John as well. to be careful that what we began in remains in us (1 John 2)

Of course we are to live by faith. But does faith ignore what the Bible tells us about what has happened to God's people in the past? Or do you not believe the Israelites were God's people?

And just how was that unbelief expressed in the lives of God's people?

1Corinthians 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1. To whom was Paul speaking when he called them brethren?
2. Who was Paul writing about? Pagan nations or the Israelites who God called His special people and through whose descendants the Messiah was to come?
3. Who was the Rock from which they drank the spiritual drink?
4. To whom was addressed the the admonishment that they should take heed lest they fall? Was it not the very same people whom Paul called brethren? If not, show the textual evidence that says Paul has started addressing a group who were not his brethren.

 

[Gary K]

CHRIST sir

Faith in CHRIST
HOPE in CHRIST


Is the answer

You will stand up before GOD and your mouth will be closed and you will point to THE CROSS and believe that all that HE did HE did for you because you could not open a way back into heaven apart from that TRUE VEIL through whom all men must come

And THAT VEIL is HIS BODY

And just what does all you said here have to do with what I said? I ask because I don't see the relevance.

Who was Jeremiah talking to when he wrote the following verses? In other words, who was the intended audience for that which God told him to say? God's people, or people who had no relationship with God and were referred to in the Old Testament as strangers?

Jeremiah 17: 9 ¶The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Jeremiah 13: 22 ¶And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare.*n6
23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.*n7
24 Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness.
25 This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the Lord; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.

 

[Gary K]

There is only ONE people to whom GOD was speaking. HIS CHOSEN. And THE PROMISE was to Abraham and his seed

But we know that it wasn’t really Abrahams seed GOD was speaking of (we know that it wasn’t through the promised son, Isaac) that he’s be the father of many nations

It is through CHRIST

And it is only through the ONE SEED that we have an inheritance in the things pertaining to GOD

So? Does not every generation have to find God for itself and build it's own relationship with Him? Do we inherit a relationship with God from our parents or grandparents? Do we automatically know God because some ancestor of ours did?

The Bible specifically tells us that God made covenants with many different people at different times in history. I find that important because God saw fit to tell us about all these covenants. If it was of no importance for us to know then God would not have told us about these covenants. There would be no mention of all them. This belief comes directly from my trust in God that He is going to tell me everything that is important for my salvation. God doesn't speak to us just to hear His teeth rattle. He speaks to us for our own good. He tells us the things He does because He loves us, and He knows far better than we do what is for our own good. Woe to Him who ignores God's words and says they aren't important or meaningful. That is what the history of the Israelites tells us. Korah, Dathan, and Abiram didn't think God's choice of Moses to lead the Israelites was all that important, and thought that they were a far better choice than Moses to lead God's people. What happened to them because of that attitude of unbelief?

What happened to the Israelites when God said to enter the land of Canaan and they said no because they were afraid? Did not all the adults die in the wilderness because they didn't heed God's words? Didn't God lead them around for 40 years until all the adults at the time had died because of that? What happened when Achan ignored God's seemingly, to him, innocuous instructions about not taking anything out of Jericho after the walls fell? We have example after example of people ignoring what seemed to them innocuous words from God, and God, by His actions, said wait a minute. I said to do thus and so, and because you didn't follow my instructions here is your punishment. A whole lot of Israelite's carcases littered the desert because of this. And Paul tells us this is because they had an evil heart of unbelief. You can choose to say that all of God's words are not important. I fear doing that a lot. I will take all of God's words as being of vital importance whether or not I can see it at the time or not. Why? Because of my trust in God, not my distrust of Him. I fear having an evil heart of unbelief that says that anything God tells me in His word is unimportant.

 

[miknik5]

Of course we are to live by faith. But does faith ignore what the Bible tells us about what has happened to God's people in the past? Or do you not believe the Israelites were God's people?

And just how was that unbelief expressed in the lives of God's people?

So you disregard the day that GOD set so that all men might enter into HIS REST

They lived their lives no worse and no better than any of us since ALL have sinned

And according to their word and recorded in THE WORD OF TRUTH they testify to this. Not only in John 8 when those “spiritual giants” who followed the law went away from the oldest to the youngest acknowledging that they had sin, but in these words as well:

There is NONE who do right and do not sin

THE GOSPEL sir is preached today and NOW. For there is salvation in NO OTHER NAME

1. To whom was Paul speaking when he called them brethren?
2. Who was Paul writing about? Pagan nations or the Israelites who God called His special people and through whose descendants the Messiah was to come?
3. Who was the Rock from which they drank the spiritual drink?
4. To whom was addressed the the admonishment that they should take heed lest they fall? Was it not the very same people whom Paul called brethren? If not, show the textual evidence that says Paul has started addressing a group who were not his brethren.

To whom was Paul speaking to
ONLY THE BODY of BELIEVERS
He never and he clearly said do
Addressed anyone outside the BODY

 

[Gary K]

So you disregard the day that GOD set so that all men might enter into HIS REST

They lived their lives no worse and no better than any of us since ALL have sinned

And according to their word and recorded in THE WORD OF TRUTH they testify to this. Not only in John 8 when those “spiritual giants” who followed the law went away from the oldest to the youngest acknowledging that they had sin, but in these words as well:

There is NONE who do right and do not sin

THE GOSPEL sir is preached today and NOW. For there is salvation in NO OTHER NAME



To whom was Paul speaking to
ONLY THE BODY of BELIEVERS
He never and he clearly said do
Addressed anyone outside the BODY

So, if I read these last few lines correctly, you believe that Paul was speaking to Christians and never addressed anyone who was not a Christian in the passage of scripture I quoted.

How is it then that he told them that God was not well-pleased with a group of people who had partaken of Christ, but who still were "overthrown" in the wilderness? Why did he go on from that to tell this group of Christians not to temp Christ as the Israelites, who had also partaken of Christ, had done? And why then did he tell them that this entire history was written for Christians as an example to not do what the Israelites had done? Was not the unbelief shown expressed in the actions of those in whom God was not well-pleased? Did they not ignore what God had told them? Why does Paul say that we need to take heed that we don't think we are standing when in fact we are falling? Is this not the same thing Jeremiah said about our hearts? That they are deceitful above all things and so desperately wicked we can't really know them?

Paul told the Corinthian church to examine themselves to know whether or not they were in the faith. Why, if it is not possible for our own hearts to decieve us about our own spiritual condition, would Paul give them that instruction? It seems to me Paul is clearly saying just because we think we have faith doesn't mean that we actually do as our own hearts will decieve us as to our spiritual condition. Faith is taking God at His word. It is not ignoring what He tells us we need to do. Faith and obedience cannot be separated. Faith without works is dead. In other words, without actively doing what God tells us to do we cannot have faith. When God tells us that our hearts are decietful and desperately wicked and that we need to examine ourselves ot see if we really have faith, to assume that we have faith without examining our own actions is a lack of faith for we are not trusting God and doing what He is telling us about ourselves. Paul tells us that is an evil heart of unbelief. I don't want to go there, and i don't think you do either.

 

[miknik5]

So, if I read these last few lines correctly, you believe that Paul was speaking to Christians and never addressed anyone who was not a Christian in the passage of scripture I quoted.

How is it then that he told them that God was not well-pleased with a group of people who had partaken of Christ, but who still were "overthrown" in the wilderness? Why did he go on from that to tell this group of Christians not to temp Christ as the Israelites, who had also partaken of Christ, had done? And why then did he tell them that this entire history was written for Christians as an example to not do what the Israelites had done? Was not the unbelief shown expressed in the actions of those in whom God was not well-pleased? Did they not ignore what God had told them? Why does Paul say that we need to take heed that we don't think we are standing when in fact we are falling? Is this not the same thing Jeremiah said about our hearts? That they are deceitful above all things and so desperately wicked we can't really know them?

Paul told the Corinthian church to examine themselves to know whether or not they were in the faith. Why, if it is not possible for our own hearts to decieve us about our own spiritual condition, would Paul give them that instruction? It seems to me Paul is clearly saying just because we think we have faith doesn't mean that we actually do as our own hearts will decieve us as to our spiritual condition. Faith is taking God at His word. It is not ignoring what He tells us we need to do. Faith and obedience cannot be separated. Faith without works is dead. In other words, without actively doing what God tells us to do we cannot have faith. When God tells us that our hearts are decietful and desperately wicked and that we need to examine ourselves ot see if we really have faith, to assume that we have faith without examining our own actions is a lack of faith for we are not trusting God and doing what He is telling us about ourselves. Paul tells us that is an evil heart of unbelief. I don't want to go there, and i don't think you do either.

And who was Paul addressing who was the audience Paul was telling these things to?

Not those reconciled to GOD in CHRIST JESUS

He was addressing and teaching the BODY of BELIEVERS about those whom GOD was displeased with who were not reconciled to GOD as they were

HE tells them to continue in GOD’s GRACE

Which is through faith if you have forgotten

 

[miknik5]

Who by the way was Peter addressing in his first preaching of THE GOSPEL?

And whoever believed were added to THE BODY

So now according to you there’s a new covenant besides THE ETERNAL COVENANT in CHRIST’s BLOOD


Did you remember that the law which states that the vessels and all things pertaining to the temple must be sprinkled with blood

And that’s what makes these things clean

For without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness?

So
If GOD turned all over to disobedience how can they be made clean before GOD


Whose blood will make them
clean?

 

[miknik5]

the priestly vestments.

Did you know that the high priest had to wear s special covering with incense in the Breast pocket as a pleasing aroma to GOD?