Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[miknik5]

You (or more precisely those who have taught you) included replacement theology in your "one gospel" but it should have never been in there at all. Antisemitism has no place in the gospel.

Anti Semitism? That sir stems from
your own false opinion and misunderstanding and misinterpretation

There is no anti Semitism involved

The Jews are our older brothers and we are waiting for them to come HOME

And I mean THAT SPIRITUAL HOME built on ONE FOUNDATION

And CHRIST is not only the CAPSTONE of that HOUSE but HE is also THE DOOR

 

[Dave-W]

There is no anti Semitism involved

See? You are completely unaware of it.

 

[miknik5]

See? You are completely unaware of it.

It should not be called replacement theology

It should be called THE ONLY WAY

 

[Dave-W]

It should not be called replacement theology
It should be called THE ONLY WAY

You do not know a thing about it and you claim to re-name it?

 

[Gary K]

replacement theology sir?
What do you mean by replacement theology


The Jerusalem above IS spiritual (Galatians 4)
And the NEW JERUSALEM includes the 12 tribes of Israel along with the 12 apostles (revelation 21)
And these together are the 24 elders in ONE HOUSE

and Still built on ONE FOUNDATION

And that being CHRIST


Please explain why you mentioned “other covenants” sir?

Because I don’t believe it is clear to the simple who read this thread that though the 3rd temple will be built it shouldn’t be

And the conditions of Jeremiah will not be met by any other means but through faith in JESUS

I have answered this question twice already. Why would I answer it a third time when you apparently didn't read the first two answers, and apparently have thought I believe just the opposite of what I have said?

 

[Gary K]

You (or more precisely those who have taught you) included replacement theology in your "one gospel" but it should have never been in there at all. Antisemitism has no place in the gospel.

Dave,

What has replacement theology, which has a scriptural basis, to do with antisemitism? Please explain why you think so.
I have asked you questions relating to this which you have never answered. Where is the scriptural evidence that Paul is switching audiences between Gentile and Jew in Romans 1 and 2 where Paul says who is truly a Jew, and in Romans 10 and 11? I know you place, at least in part, your beliefs upon this idea of Paul switching audiences so show me the scriptural evidence for it. I'm not averse to switching my beliefs if I can be shown convincing scriptural evidence, but so far you have seemingly refused to show me the evidence.

 

[Gary K]

There is a site wide rule against teaching a doctrine foreign to the belief system of the denominational folder you are in; and therefore I cannot go into any detail here about replacement theology.

If you want that clarity, go to the Messianic folder and ask.

Dave,

If I ask you to explain your belief to me, will that get you off the hook according to site rules? If so, consider yourself asked. I cannot post in your Messianic forum as I am not a supporting member here so please explain your position to me here and allow me to ask you questions concerning your belief.

 

[Dave-W]

Dave,

If I ask you to explain your belief to me, will that get you off the hook according to site rules? If so, consider yourself asked. I cannot post in your Messianic forum as I am not a supporting member here so please explain your position to me here and allow me to ask you questions concerning your belief.

Actually, you can come and ask questions as I do here.

But I will let those who are more knowledgeable than I make the case on Replacement theology:

Daniel Juster - The Replacement Theology Challenge Today

https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-1.pdf

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

The Fight Against Replacement Theology :: Yeshua

Replacement Theology | Jewish Voice Ministries International

that is probably enough for now. This is from the start of the idolphin link:

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

• Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
• 
  
• The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
• 
  
• Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
• 
  
• Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
• 
  
• The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

I know that SDA theology holds to at least some of the key points here. And if miknik5's "one gospel" includes even one of those points, it is infected with RT.

 

[Gary K]

Actually, you can come and ask questions as I do here.

But I will let those who are more knowledgeable than I make the case on Replacement theology:

Daniel Juster - The Replacement Theology Challenge Today

https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-1.pdf

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

The Fight Against Replacement Theology :: Yeshua

Replacement Theology | Jewish Voice Ministries International

that is probably enough for now. This is from the start of the idolphin link:

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

• Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
• 
  
• The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
• 
  
• Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
• 
  
• Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
• 
  
• The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

I know that SDA theology holds to at least some of the key points here. And if miknik5's "one gospel" includes even one of those points, it is infected with RT.

Are you implying that Paul was infected, to use your terminology, with RT?

Romans 2: 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 11: 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

These passages go right along with what Jesus told His disciples on the night of His Gethsemane experience and His trial that is recorded in John 15:1-6. The unproductive branches are cut off and burned, and the productive branches are pruned so that they bear more fruit.

Would these passages of scripture not fit the description of what you call being infected with RT? I'm not trying to put you down. I'm trying to understand your point of view in light of scripture.

I can't ask questions of the people to whom you linked, so I'm asking you your understanding of these scriptures. That's all I'm really interested in here. I like you and to me this is part of getting to know you. That we differ in beliefs isn't a big deal to me as long as we can talk about our differences in beliefs honestly between each other. If my questions prompt you to study deeper into your beliefs, isn't that a good thing? The same goes for me. Some of the things you've asked me have required me to study things I hadn't studied before. To me that is a good thing.

 

[miknik5]

I didn’t rename it THE ONLY WAY

It has always been THE ONLY WAY

 

[miknik5]

Actually, you can come and ask questions as I do here.

But I will let those who are more knowledgeable than I make the case on Replacement theology:

Daniel Juster - The Replacement Theology Challenge Today

https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-1.pdf

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

The Fight Against Replacement Theology :: Yeshua

Replacement Theology | Jewish Voice Ministries International

that is probably enough for now. This is from the start of the idolphin link:

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

• Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
• 
  
• The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
• 
  
• Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
• 
  
• Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
• 
  
• The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

I know that SDA theology holds to at least some of the key points here. And if miknik5's "one gospel" includes even one of those points, it is infected with RT.

The GOSPEL is not kept hidden from any man

If s man chooses “another way” it’s because he has not (yet) received THE GOSPEL as it should be received:

As the prick to the heart revelation of THE GIFT of GOD

 

[miknik5]

Are you implying that Paul was infected, to use your terminology, with RT?



These passages go right along with what Jesus told His disciples on the night of His Gethsemane experience and His trial that is recorded in John 15:1-6. The unproductive branches are cut off and burned, and the productive branches are pruned so that they bear more fruit.

Would these passages of scripture not fit the description of what you call being infected with RT? I'm not trying to put you down. I'm trying to understand your point of view in light of scripture.

I can't ask questions of the people to whom you linked, so I'm asking you your understanding of these scriptures. That's all I'm really interested in here. I like you and to me this is part of getting to know you. That we differ in beliefs isn't a big deal to me as long as we can talk about our differences in beliefs honestly between each other. If my questions prompt you to study deeper into your beliefs, isn't that a good thing? The same goes for me. Some of the things you've asked me have required me to study things I hadn't studied before. To me that is a good thing.

They’re not replaced. They’re called just as every man is called

And GOD will, in the end, reopen the eyes of HIS FIRST LOVE Israel
and they too will know THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of CHRIST JESUS as LORD and SAVIOR

And....iTHE GOSPEL is good news

so why is a man offended that HE alone (who did for us what we could not do for ourselves) is THE ONE AND ONLY WAY (for all men) back unto THE FATHER

 

[miknik5]

Actually, you can come and ask questions as I do here.

But I will let those who are more knowledgeable than I make the case on Replacement theology:

Daniel Juster - The Replacement Theology Challenge Today

https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-1.pdf

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

The Fight Against Replacement Theology :: Yeshua

Replacement Theology | Jewish Voice Ministries International

that is probably enough for now. This is from the start of the idolphin link:

What Is Replacement Theology?

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

• Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
• 
  
• The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
• 
  
• Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
• 
  
• Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
• 
  
• The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

I know that SDA theology holds to at least some of the key points here. And if miknik5's "one gospel" includes even one of those points, it is infected with RT.

Can you tell me how an unbelieving Jew can take over the leadership

Why do you put “one Gospel” in quotes sir?


The only reason would be that you don’t fully understand the magnitude of THE GIFT of GOD

 

[miknik5]

Are you implying that Paul was infected, to use your terminology, with RT?



These passages go right along with what Jesus told His disciples on the night of His Gethsemane experience and His trial that is recorded in John 15:1-6. The unproductive branches are cut off and burned, and the productive branches are pruned so that they bear more fruit.

Would these passages of scripture not fit the description of what you call being infected with RT? I'm not trying to put you down. I'm trying to understand your point of view in light of scripture.

I can't ask questions of the people to whom you linked, so I'm asking you your understanding of these scriptures. That's all I'm really interested in here. I like you and to me this is part of getting to know you. That we differ in beliefs isn't a big deal to me as long as we can talk about our differences in beliefs honestly between each other. If my questions prompt you to study deeper into your beliefs, isn't that a good thing? The same goes for me. Some of the things you've asked me have required me to study things I hadn't studied before. To me that is a good thing.

No those passages also don’t have a thing to do with replacement theology.

GOD is simply doing what HE said HE was going to do according to Ezekiel 36

 

[Dave-W]

Are you implying that Paul was infected, to use your terminology, with RT?

Not at all. It is how people misinterpret Paul that supports RT.

 

[miknik5]

The Jew was supposed to be a light to ALL MEN

They were supposed to manifest GOD’s NAME amongst the nations who did not know GOD

They didn’t
There is only ONE LIGHT who came to “show us the FATHER”
HE alone manifested THE FSTHER’s NAME

There won’t be anyone else who will

Not at all. It is how people misinterpret Paul that supports RT.

Paul doesn’t support replacement theology


He supports the ONE GOSPEL, ONE BODY, ONE SPIRIT, ONE BAPTISM,ONE FAITH

ONE HOPE

 

[miknik5]

What happened in Romans was that the believers in Rome were lording it over the unbelieving Jews and Paul had to tell them not to think that Israel was completely lost. And that they had better remember that they are not the natural branches. They were grafted in and they stand by GOD’s GRACE

Provided they remain in it

That the hardening in part was to bring the gentiles in

When the full numbers of the gentiles is complete than GOD will open the eyes of HIS FIRST LOVE. And their being brought in at the last hour is the fullness of that ONE OLIVE TREE

 

[David Kent]

Here’s the thing sir.
Be clear in your stance

You know there will be a third temple built. Yet after the fact you say you are against it
You know there is this thought out there about replacement theology yet I am clear saying that there shouldn’t be

I don’t deny either of these things will happen but deny that they are truth

And that is what we should be clear on

Since we are supposed to tear down every stronghold which sets itself up against THE TRUTH

Against THE TRUTH of CHRIST, an earthly temple will be built...

When it shouldn’t be

Against THE TRUTH of CHRIST. some will imply that this is replacement theology...

When it isn’t

Herod's temple was the third temple.

 

[miknik5]

Herod's temple was the third temple.

Im going with the title of this thread. Regardless if it were the second third or fourth. After CHRIST there shouldn’t be any earthly temple built by the hands of men to GOD

 

[Dave-W]

Im going with the title of this thread. Regardless if it were the second third or fourth. After CHRIST there shouldn’t be any earthly temple built by the hands of men to GOD

Whether it should be built or not, during the trib there IS a temple according to Rev 11:

Revelation 11:1
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it.
2 Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.​

That is a real, on earth temple. It is NOT the temple in Heaven which is written about in Rev 14 and 15.