Will Sean Hannity go through with his commitment to be waterboarded for charity?

[KWCrazy]

Hey. Smart guy. What does SEAR stand for? Do you know? Come on... show us..

Actually, SEAR stands for Soldier Empowerment and Readiness. I meant SERE, which stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape, or SEER which stands for Survival, Evasion, Escape, Resistance.

The Acronym I used was for Survival, Evasion and Resistence, which was as described by a media outlet. Ha. Shoulda known!

 

[KarateCowboy]

You have nothing to say about Hannity and his offer to be water boarded? That is the topic. From your continued support of water boarding and other torture methods, one would suspect that you have assisted in such practices. Why else would you support ineffective methods?

hahahaha sorry man but I if you read the thread I started out talking about the situation but people say oblivious things like " Why else would you support ineffective methods?" so it sidetracks as I have to gradually coax people back to reality. It's not a matter of opinion that the information obtained by waterboarding KSM prevented attacks and saved hundreds if not thousands of lives. Of course when you support a culture of death saving hundreds is ineffective because it runs contrary to your goals.

 

[morningstar2651]

It's not a matter of opinion that the information obtained by waterboarding KSM prevented attacks and saved hundreds if not thousands of lives.

Can you show me the evidence?

 

[SOAD]

hahahaha sorry man but I if you read the thread I started out talking about the situation but people say oblivious things like " Why else would you support ineffective methods?" so it sidetracks as I have to gradually coax people back to reality. It's not a matter of opinion that the information obtained by waterboarding KSM prevented attacks and saved hundreds if not thousands of lives. Of course when you support a culture of death saving hundreds is ineffective because it runs contrary to your goals.

If you have bothered to watch the video in the beginning post, you would have noticed the person talking to Olbermann explaining that there is no evidence which has been brought forth by water boarding proving the method effective.

Your comment about "coax people back to reality" is doublespeak for "I am correct because I think I am, although I have no data to support my conclusions"

Instead of trying to coax (manipulate) people, why not just present your undeniable proof? I doubt that you can.

What are you talking about when you say "culture of death "? Is that your way to push blame back to liberals because you cannot support your conservative position?

 

[SOAD]

Can you show me the evidence?

Here is his proof.

"culture of death"

I am afraid that is all he has.

 

[KarateCowboy]

All you need is for your head to be out of the sand:
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives' - CNN.com

 

[SOAD]

All you need is for your head to be out of the sand:
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives' - CNN.com

Where is the proof?

 

[KarateCowboy]

Where is the proof?

Thanks for the inquiry.
I would think that if CIA agents keep saying that it has saved lives . . .
Feel free to read about it
Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kid Fish]

Thanks for the inquiry.
I would think that if CIA agents keep saying that it has saved lives . . .
Feel free to read about it
Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why read what ranting righteously feels so superior?

 

[morningstar2651]

All you need is for your head to be out of the sand:
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives' - CNN.com

Read it.

Abu Zubayda reportedly told the agent who waterboarded him that "Allah had visited him in his cell during the night and told him to cooperate because it would make it easier on the other brothers who had been captured," Kiriakou said.

Under torture...he confessed that Allah visited him in the night and told him to cooperate. Obviously he's telling the truth. Guess that means we should all switch to Islam since that means Allah is god.

Which specific attacks did waterboarding prevent? Whose lives did it save?

 

[Ringo84]

I doubt Hannity would go through with it. He strikes me as a chickenhawk.

And for the record, since some people seem to doubt the obvious: if torture was unacceptable when Japanese officials used it against troops in WWII, and if torture is unacceptable when terrorists use it on our hostages, then torture is unacceptable when we use it. End of story.

I don't want to hear about abortion. I don't want to hear about scenarios that only happen on TV and in the movies. I don't want to hear about how the ends justify the means. Torture is unacceptable regardless of when, where or why it's used. Period.
Ringo

 

[KarateCowboy]

I doubt Hannity would go through with it. He strikes me as a chickenhawk.

And for the record, since some people seem to doubt the obvious: if torture was unacceptable when Japanese officials used it against troops in WWII, and if torture is unacceptable when terrorists use it on our hostages, then torture is unacceptable when we use it. End of story.

I don't want to hear about abortion. I don't want to hear about scenarios that only happen on TV and in the movies. I don't want to hear about how the ends justify the means. Torture is unacceptable regardless of when, where or why it's used. Period.
Ringo

Yup. This is exactly the black & white, my way or the highway, anti-intellectual, underdeveloped, morally simplistic view that I am talking about. Of course you don't want to hear comparisons in values and perspective to abortion. Intellectually nuanced arguments that require sophisticated thought, compromise, and patience are hardly condusive to slamming people who disagree with you. You can't pontificate sanctimoniously when you have to start by saying "This is a complex situation".
But hey, why am I bothering? Despite the fact that the three men we waterboarded were unharmed I'll still keep hearing the words "It's TORTURE!!!" shouted loudly like a broken record, resounding loudly and beating down dispassionate and reasoned discourse until there's no more independent thought left in the room.

 

[Ringo84]

Yup. This is exactly the black & white, my way or the highway, anti-intellectual, underdeveloped, morally simplistic view that I am talking about. Of course you don't want to hear comparisons in values and perspective to abortion. Intellectually nuanced arguments that require sophisticated thought, compromise, and patience are hardly condusive to slamming people who disagree with you. You can't pontificate sanctimoniously when you have to start by saying "This is a complex situation".

You accuse me of "slamming people who disagree with [me]" (which I haven't done). But when I chime into the discussion, you immediately start off by accusing me of being "anti-intellectual", "morally simplistic" and "sanctimonious" - without even addressing any of the points I made in my previous post. Who's the one lashing out here?

Are you so set into your position that you can't even understand your opponents' views without making them the issue instead of the subject of torture?
Ringo

 

[Hooksta]

Torture is unacceptable regardless of when, where or why it's used. Period.
Ringo

You have to make one exception...that exception being when a "chicken-hawk" like Hannity is asking to have it done to him, right?

 

[KarateCowboy]

You have to make one exception...that exception being when a "chicken-hawk" like Hannity is asking to have it done to him, right?

Don't forget when we do it to our own soldiers for training! Then it's OK 'cause we deserve it for drinking from the cup of WHITE PRIVILEDGGGGGE! Or something.

 

[Hooksta]

Don't forget when we do it to our own soldiers for training! Then it's OK 'cause we deserve it for drinking from the cup of WHITE PRIVILEDGGGGGE! Or something.

There is a difference...preparing soldiers for what they may face in another country that does not honor the Geneva convention is very likely why we train our service men. Just because we prepare our people doesn't make it okay to adopt a United States policy of torture. This where the slippery slope lies.

Weren't both Jesus and Ronald Reagan against torture?

 

[Hooksta]

By the way I watched the CNN waterboarding video...that guy said plain as day that waterboarding simulates an execution and is illegal in Geneva Convention.

 

[TheBear]

Has anyone noticed a pattern here?

 

[Tenka]

Just two weeks ago Sean Hannity said in a discussion/debate with Charles Grogin that he would be willingly waterboarded for charity. What are your thoughts? Think he'll do it?

If they get the Taliban to waterboard him until he admits to hiring child prostitutes and hiding Nazi war criminals it would be worth it. But I suspect it will be by allies sympathetic to him who will stop if he asks them.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yup. This is exactly the black & white, my way or the highway, anti-intellectual, underdeveloped, morally simplistic view that I am talking about.

And demonstrating remarkably.

Of course you don't want to hear comparisons in values and perspective to abortion.

because the topic is torture -- do try to keep up.

Intellectually nuanced arguments that require sophisticated thought, compromise, and patience are hardly condusive to slamming people who disagree with you.

Nor is desperately trying to go off on an unrelated subject -- so stop trying.