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The fact that patriarchy has been practiced and survived for ages can be seen as such evidence.
But don´t ask me what those interests have been. I do not even really understand what older men get out of patriarchy.
Yes, it isn´t.Isn't that an Appeal to Tradition?
Appeal to tradition
I didn´t call anything "right because we have always done it this way"., also known as appeal to common practice or argumentum ad antiquitatem or false induction is a common logical fallacy in which someone proclaims his or her accuracy by noting that "this is how it's always been done." Essentially: "This is right because we've always done it this way."
"Buffet line" is the term you're looking for, I think.
Just pick and choose the rules you like, and if you don't get enough rules on your first plate don't worry - you can always go back for seconds. Furthermore, you can always just not eat whatever rules you decide you don't want and someone will come around and clear the table periodically.
What you need to get is that the Bible says wives are to be submissive to their husbands BECAUSE their husbands are to treat them like Jesus would, and thus the wives are submissive to their husbands in the same way that the Church is to Jesus. Does Jesus boss the church around? No.
Does Jesus beat the Church when the Church doesn't do what it's supposed to? No. Husbands are not to have dominant control over their wives but to be a loving guide to help them and LAW THEIR LIVES DOWN FOR THEM.
The wife is submissive to the husband in the same way that she is to Jesus, because the husband treats the wife like Jesus does the Chruch, as a loving guide.
No. What I was talking about ceremonial laws - and I did have it a little bit fuzzy when I posted, it's not specifically for Jews but... I would highly reccommend reading Hebrews and Romans, especially Hebrews. They explain.
What you need to get is that the Bible says wives are to be submissive to their husbands BECAUSE their husbands are to treat them like Jesus would, and thus the wives are submissive to their husbands in the same way that the Church is to Jesus. Does Jesus boss the church around? No. Does Jesus beat the Church when the Church doesn't do what it's supposed to? No. Husbands are not to have dominant control over their wives but to be a loving guide to help them and LAW THEIR LIVES DOWN FOR THEM.
The wife is submissive to the husband in the same way that she is to Jesus, because the husband treats the wife like Jesus does the Chruch, as a loving guide.
The ones that try to "lead" their wives end up with very subservient, cowed women, or with women who are unhappy, or with women who eventually tell them to take a hike.
Just thought I would point out that by your own admission some husbands do treat their wives correctly.I keep hearing this propaganda over and over again, like it actually happens.
But it doesn't.
Most husbands don't "lead" their wives, like one leads sheep or lambs. They might talk like that,but most men actually have a very egalitarian relationship with the wives, because if it were any other way, the wives would kick their butts or leave.
Just thought I would point out that by your own admission some husbands do treat their wives correctly.
I do not even really understand what older men get out of patriarchy.
The tiny minority of those who espouse a return to a stricter notion of Biblical patriarchy in gender roles is eclipsed by the reality of how feminism and modernity have shaped traditional values into a softer version of it's former self.
This particular article in this PDF file was written by a conservative theologian on the subject. The author states, as I said before, that the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and that although many conservative evangelicals and Catholics may talk "complementarian" in their expression of beliefs, however in reality their actions are more egalitarian.
http://www.henryinstitute.org/documents/2005ETS.pdf#search="soft patriarchy"
The author calls for a return to more stringent patriarchy in family roles, and has affirmed that some in the Calvinist/Orthodox Presbyterian and other Protestant churches have been very open and direct about their views on women's roles, although controversial and unpopular. However, even the author concedes that it may be too late for true patriarchy to reassert itself.
I didn't really take it that way. It's also from the perspective of ancient peoples, but anyway:I think the point to take note of here is that the woman in proverns is doing work for her HOUSEHOLD, by inference, her husband... not for herself. The idea of said woman being enterprising in the same way unwed is quite anathema to the spirit of the OT writings
Or with women who eventually shoot them to death.
Just thought I would point out that by your own admission some husbands do treat their wives correctly.
Just thought I would point out that by your own admission some husbands do treat their wives correctly.
I totally agree with you; marriage is a partnership. My husband has never required that I do anything. He has made suggestions and asked politely. But in the same manner, I do not nag him. That is just having a few manners. It would be very difficult to respect a man that was demanding and forceful. That man would certainly be a horrible role model. I will say that, because of my deep respect for him, I give my husband the last word on final decisions...but then again, he always asks my opinion.The whole crux of the feminist side is that it isn't up to husbands to treat their wives correctly or otherwise. Its about PARTNERSHIP... of equals. Your phraseology very clearly makes for one person to be in power over the other. I have a significant problem with this idea.
If I were not a Christiam, I would tend to agree with you. As Christians both the husband and wife are under the authority of God. They each have a place in His plan.The whole crux of the feminist side is that it isn't up to husbands to treat their wives correctly or otherwise. Its about PARTNERSHIP... of equals. Your phraseology very clearly makes for one person to be in power over the other. I have a significant problem with this idea.
If I were not a Christiam, I would tend to agree with you. As Christians both the husband and wife are under the authority of God. They each have a place in His plan.
I respect her for turning-the-other-cheek, but we also need boundries.Once, she cleaned the kitchen floor, and he made her reclean it, because he said she didn't do a good enough job.
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