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Yeah and if you say it to me that way, ie cruelly- it means I give you the finger and disregard everything else you have to say to me from that time forward--until you actually act like you give crap about me more than you worry about maintaining your moral high ground.
Interestingly I am pretty open to correction- knowing I am one messed up gal--but if you correct me out of any sense of superiority--we're done. Because to me that is a completely hypocritical position. Correct me because you want me to be the best me I can be--do not correct me because I don't fit in with your world view and you either a.) don't like me or b.) I make you uncomfortable. If you don't have empathy or at least sympathy for me--your correction will not only be ignored--but is likely to be an occasion of sin.
Interestingly I am pretty open to correction- knowing I am one messed up gal--but if you correct me out of any sense of superiority--we're done. Because to me that is a completely hypocritical position. Correct me because you want me to be the best me I can be--do not correct me because I don't fit in with your world view and you either a.) don't like me or b.) I make you uncomfortable. If you don't have empathy or at least sympathy for me--your correction will not only be ignored--but is likely to be an occasion of sin.
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I think cruelly means it is going to hurt - but it has to be said.
Sort of like when folks get together for some tough love to help a drug addict overcome the problem.
The problem is real and it is killing them. Its not going to be easy to tell them to quit or you have to walk away from them because it hurts too much to see them do this to themselves.
Sort of like an interevention i suppose.
Now being nasty is another topic i think.
BTW - thats why we are all one.
All of us need the other to pick us back up, dust us off, and point us back to the right direction.
We are not an island unto ourselves, its just that sometimes God gives us all different measures of tests.
Some are strong, some fail, some struggle.
If it werent for grace - we would all sink.
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Much like how someone had to tell someone else about their Internet addiction... sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind... becuase some folks just need a whole house to fall on them before they get it.
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Main Entry:
cru·el Listen to the pronunciation of cruel
Pronunciation:
\ˈkrü(-əl\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
cru·el·er or cru·el·ler; cru·el·est or cru·el·lest
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin crudelis, from crudus
Date:
14th century
1: disposed to inflict pain or suffering : devoid of humane feelings <a cruel tyrant>2 a: causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain <a cruel joke> b: unrelieved by leniency <cruel punishment>
Might want to choose a new by-word to explain the approach you are advocating. (Which is too bad, because that's agood theme song!)
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Again - cruel to be kind in the song means that the message wont be liked.
Yes the truth causes pain - that doesnt mean the message should be ignored or dismissed or left unsaid.
Know what I mean?
Or we would have nothing to know of the torments of hell if life was all cheery and subjective to what humanity prefers or wants.
Yep - it does hurt.
Yes the truth causes pain - that doesnt mean the message should be ignored or dismissed or left unsaid.
Know what I mean?
Or we would have nothing to know of the torments of hell if life was all cheery and subjective to what humanity prefers or wants.
Yep - it does hurt.
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some folks just want to live in a bubble and think what they do is all good... sometimes we have to pop that bubble and it's for their own good.
ppl get upset because they don't want to hear that they are doing wrong. they don't want their world to be upset, their boat to be rocked, they don't want their rug to be pulled form their feet. They want to go on and think all's well.
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Folks don't like it but they need to hear it.
ppl get upset because they don't want to hear that they are doing wrong. they don't want their world to be upset, their boat to be rocked, they don't want their rug to be pulled form their feet. They want to go on and think all's well.
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Folks don't like it but they need to hear it.
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Alright everyone, get ready for a shock.
I think Benedicta is for the most part right in what I quoted, in a very general sense (Minus the cruelty part).
However, I think her specific application of what she's saying is inaccurate. One, because I don't think she has an adequate grasp of the theology behind what she's saying, or an understanding of the nuances involved, so she is unwittingly falsely condemning folks. Two, because there is a thin line between a correction and bullying, and I'm been seeing a lot of folks (Not just Benedicta) sometimes cross that line bullying here lately.
While it is important to speak truth, one also has to have the humility to realize that one is not infallible, and the charity to show loving kindness to one's neighbor. One can not simply say "I am right, so that gives me the right to act like a bully, or act like a jerk". First, one may not be right. Second, even if one is, that doesn't remove the obligation of acting charitably.
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well little dude, it's not a bright comment. But I think you should be allowed to say it. I said stupider things loud and clear to my priests in h.s. and thankfully they prayed for me instead of banning me from the school.Ouch, MS. Almost hurt my feelings there.
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