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[Lady Bug]

Don't raise your voice to me please.

Ok.

I'm Just sayin... one does not have to come out and admit it. Read between the lines.

I don't like to get too involved (or involved at all) in political threads. So naturally I am not coming across statements that insinuate support for or complacency with abortion.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Well, maybe the doctors do think they're caring for women by performing abortions. That doesn't mean that it's actually true. I mean, one of the most high-profile abortionists in Canada, Dr. Henry Mogrentaler, genuinely thinks that he is doing women good and promoting the freedom of the female sex by performing abortions. I doubt there are a lot of doctors who perform abortions who think, "I'm screwing these women over! Suckers, they don't know that I'm ruining their lives." Most of them probably do look at an unwanted child as an incredible burden upon a woman, and therefore they think they are doing good by relieving that woman of her "burden".

Just because they think so doesn't mean they're right though. But I hardly doubt that saying that people with these motivations exist equates to being somehow pro-choice or something.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

well you need to go back and read it again, more like read closely between the lines again.

I'm not sure about the reading between the lines thing.. because.. how do I know I'm reading what the person intended, or according to my own biases? I'm quite bad at reading between the lines.. usually get it wrong.. lol.. I just try to assume that the person meant literally whatever they said.

 

[Fish and Bread]

well you need to go back and read it again, more like read closely between the lines again.

There are no lines to read between here. Folks say that they are pro-life, you either believe them or you don't. And if you don't, and basically keep saying you don't and spreading that around, and you're wrong, you're slandering people.

 

[benedictaoo]

I'm not sure about the reading between the lines thing.. because.. how do I know I'm reading what the person intended, or according to my own biases? I'm quite bad at reading between the lines.. usually get it wrong.. lol.. I just try to assume that the person meant literally whatever they said.

*sigh* Monica, Monica, Monica.... I hope to God I am wrong, but my 6th sense about these things tells me I'm not.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

*sigh* Monica, Monica, Monica.... I hope to God I am wrong, but my 6th sense about these things tells me I'm not.

I don't know.. well if a person says they're pro life, then what is wrong with assuming they are?

 

[Fish and Bread]

*sigh* Monica, Monica, Monica.... I hope to God I am wrong, but my 6th sense about these things tells me I'm not.

Your "sixth sense" is calling an awful lot of people liars, and your "sixth sense" is going to have to answer for that one day if it's wrong.

 

[benedictaoo]

I don't know.. well if a person says they're pro life, then what is wrong with assuming they are?

Nothing unless they post things that are contrary to that statement.

But for clearification-- I'm not saying that certain posters are not pro life, but they defend and have this insane false misguided compassion for RvW, abortionist and the whole culture and that is the underlying thing we have to be on watch for.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

well if someone has any wrong ideas about abortion, hopefully God will help them see that.

I don't know though. I haven't been keeping up with the debates. I dont know if it's possible..to know..

let's just pray for abortion to end
and raise awareness about it. etc.

 

[Lady Bug]

Benedicta, if someone is pro-life and insists that they are, what other criteria do you have for labeling a person as pro-life or not? Do they have to have the elephant icon (or no icon), or otherwise no one else is holy?

 

[Fish and Bread]

Benedicta, if someone is pro-life and insists that they are, what other criteria do you have for labeling a person as pro-life or not? Do they have to have the elephant icon (or no icon), or otherwise no one else is holy?

Please don't edit this out like you usually do when you say something good. This is too good a comment to edit out.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I'm sure this will be called that ever vague "debating" but....

That place gets like... 10 posts a day now. 7 of them are Fish's.

The only people who were over there "promoting" things like that were the non-Catholics who were welcome to join and actually express their point of view. Half the threads that were on the gay lifestyle or abortion had me taking one side, and then 7-10 people taking the other. I think you're misleading people here, just a bit.

As to why I read this forum, I have a strong intellectually curiosity for almost any subject matter and I try my best to keep my mind open to new ideas. Who knows, reading here may actually have an effect.

I now officially declare Faithforums dead.

 

[BAFRIEND]

There are no lines to read between here. Folks say that they are pro-life, you either believe them or you don't. And if you don't, and basically keep saying you don't and spreading that around, and you're wrong, you're slandering people.

Kinda like calling people fascists, huh ?

 

[Lady Bug]

Please don't edit this out like you usually do when you say something good. This is too good a comment to edit out.

I was going to edit it out before you beat me to it. I felt a little harsh.

I think if I were to be more assertive, I'd be bolder than BA and Bene combined. (ducking for cover on that one)

 

[benedictaoo]

Benedicta, if someone is pro-life and insists that they are, what other criteria do you have for labeling a person as pro-life or not? Do they have to have the elephant icon (or no icon), or otherwise no one else is holy?

No, I just read what they write and if it's a contradiction of the claim of being pro life, I find that suspect.

Example, I am pro life but I think abortion doctors do abortions becuase they care for women. I will not call them sinful or murderers but I think abortion is murder and sinful.

You really can't see the hidden connotation of that statement whether it be intentional or not?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Benedicta, if someone is pro-life and insists that they are, what other criteria do you have for labeling a person as pro-life or not? Do they have to have the elephant icon (or no icon), or otherwise no one else is holy?

I am a Democrat and Bene does not even have a political icon on her profile.

Please stop accusing me of being a Republican.

 

[benedictaoo]

I am a Democrat and Bene does not even have a political icon on her profile.

Please stop accusing me of being a Republican.

yeah, I choose to ignore that "question," that implies I must think only republicans can be holy...

 

[Lady Bug]

No, I just read what they write and if it's a contradiction of the claim of being pro life, I find that suspect.

Example, I am pro life but I think abortion doctors do abortions becuase they care for women. I will not call them sinful or murderers but I think abortion is murder and sinful.

You really can't see the hidden connotation of that statement whether it be intentional or not?

I think it's about semantics (maybe it's me).

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortions because they care for women," it CAN look like I care about the women enough to condone the doctors performing an abortion.

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortion because they believe that they are caring for the women," that doesn't necessarily mean I condone the doctors performing an abortion.

As I said though - it can all be boiled down to semantics - not that I can't see what you are saying though.

I am a Democrat and Bene does not even have a political icon on her profile.

Please stop accusing me of being a Republican.

When was the last time I accused you? Anyway BA I think you're one of the only Democrats here who can get away with saying they're a DemocratYou've got immunity

can anyone try to loosen up and flex a tad? just...smile a little bit? come on guys...

 

[BAFRIEND]

I think it's about semantics (maybe it's me).

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortions because they care for women," it CAN look like I care about the women enough to condone the doctors performing an abortion.

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortion because they believe that they are caring for the women," that doesn't necessarily mean I condone the doctors performing an abortion.

As I said though - it can all be boiled down to semantics - not that I can't see what you are saying though.


When was the last time I accused you?

"I care for women therefore I murder babys by sucking their brains out through a vacuum." (cute).

 

[benedictaoo]

I think it's about semantics (maybe it's me).

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortions because they care for women," it CAN look like I care about the women enough to condone the doctors performing an abortion.

If I say: "I think abortion doctors do abortion because they believe that they are caring for the women," that doesn't necessarily mean I condone the doctors performing an abortion.

As I said though - it can all be boiled down to semantics - not that I can't see what you are saying though.


When was the last time I accused you?

What you call just semantics, in reality just may be an attempt to change the language in order to get us to accept what we should not be accepting.

It's age old tactic.

One just has to be on their toes and know how to spot it.