Why...

[benedictaoo]

is this forum so pro abortion... defending abortion doctors, saying abortion is for the good of a mother, etc?

Why is this allowed? Someone please explain why this is allowed?

Of all the forums in congregation, why, for the love of goodness sakes, is the pro abortion stance in the Catholic forum? I know I do not have to say, it does not belong here.

I mean, it's just plain odd, to say the least.

 

[isabella1]

I think I will stay out of this one. Ops, wait, I just hit the submit reply button. Well looks like I'm in, at least to read.

 

[Sianelle]

What! Who is pro-abortion? Point them out brother and I'll get the millstones and the neck tying cords lined up.

Jesus said it would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and to be thrown into the deepest part of the sea than to bring harm to the little ones.

 

[Fish and Bread]

is this forum so pro abortion...

It isn't. There's just a conservative clique that thinks anything that doesn't conform with the Republican platform is pro-abortion, and won't talk about anything else. "What? They want to have universal health care?!?! Pro-abortion anti-Catholics! They must be purged from our mists!".

The only offensive thing going on here right now is people who conflate Republicanism with Catholicism, and then try to get rid of anyone who doesn't agree, or bring it up incessantly hoping everyone will be sufficiently intimidated.

 

[Miss Shelby]

she's referring to this one comment made in another thread.

Obviously I can't respond to a loaded question.

To the question, 'What good is it to a pregnant woman to terminate the pregnancy?'

I would respond that there must be plenty of benefits or percieved benefits.

This much should be apparent, due to the fact that abortions do occur.

If there were no benefits to the mother, there would be no abortions.

As such, these doctors focus on the welfare of the mother (obtaining the percieved benefits for her).

when people say things that bene doesn't like, she starts threads and complains that they're breaking the roolz cause they're going against the Magisterium as interpreted by her. Nothing can be stated, no matter how brilliant or in this case, how dumb, unless it meets w/ Benedictas approval.

 

[wiggsfly]

It isn't. There's just a conservative clique that thinks anything that doesn't conform with the Republican platform is pro-abortion, and won't talk about anything else. "What? They want to have universal health care?!?! Pro-abortion anti-Catholics! They must be purged from our mists!".

The only offensive thing going on here right now is people who conflate Republicanism with Catholicism, and then try to get rid of anyone who doesn't agree, or bring it up incessantly hoping everyone will be sufficiently intimidated.

Exactly. Many of the arguments have little do do with abortion and a lot to do with those who wrongly think Catholicism and Republican are synonymous.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

Nothing can be stated, no matter how brilliant or in this case, how dumb...

Ouch, MS. Almost hurt my feelings there.

 

[Sianelle]

Exactly. Many of the arguments have little do do with abortion and a lot to do with those who wrongly think Catholicism and Republican are synonymous.

There are far too many innocent war dead for Republicans and Catholics to wear the same colours. Which part of 'Thou shalt not kill,' don't they understand.

 

[Lady Bug]

I am going to ask this and yes it is yelling, sorry:

WHO IS SAYING HERE EXPLICITLY THAT THEY ARE PRO-CHOICE? I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE YET SAY SO.

 

[stephenc]

Can't say I've seen any overwhelming tide of pro-abortion posts around here recently.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Yeah, me neither, I don't know what you mean.

Anyway though, today I definitely saw a tv commercial that was subtlely pro-life. It was a woman talking about how she hadn't been aware of the physical and psychological risks associated with acquring an abortion when she had one - ie, possible infertility, hemorrhaging, scarring of the uterus, ptsd, depression, etc. And then she urged women to know all of the risks associated with it and educate themselves before making such a serious decision, and offered a website or something to help women who are suffering with negative after-effects.

I had not seen something like that before on tv. I thought it was really interesting, and kind of... nice. Because I often think that for a lot of women, the panic and regret of getting pregnant when they don't want to overrides a lot of honest clear thinking. They only see one possible way and its perceived benefits and they don't take consideration of anything else because it is just too scary or too undesirable.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

Yeah, me neither, I don't know what you mean.

Anyway though, today I definitely saw a tv commercial that was subtlely pro-life. It was a woman talking about how she hadn't been aware of the physical and psychological risks associated with acquring an abortion when she had one - ie, possible infertility, hemorrhaging, scarring of the uterus, ptsd, depression, etc. And then she urged women to know all of the risks associated with it and educate themselves before making such a serious decision, and offered a website or something to help women who are suffering with negative after-effects.

I had not seen something like that before on tv. I thought it was really interesting, and kind of... nice. Because I often think that for a lot of women, the panic and regret of getting pregnant when they don't want to overrides a lot of honest clear thinking. They only see one possible way and its perceived benefits and they don't take consideration of anything else because it is just too scary or too undesirable.

That sounds like a good commercial. I hope it airs around here.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Can't say I've seen any overwhelming tide of pro-abortion posts around here recently.

Because they got banned and are over at F&B's shack promoting gay lifestyles and abortion among other things...

 

[BAFRIEND]

she's referring to this one comment made in another thread.



when people say things that bene doesn't like, she starts threads and complains that they're breaking the roolz cause they're going against the Magisterium as interpreted by her. Nothing can be stated, no matter how brilliant or in this case, how dumb, unless it meets w/ Benedictas approval.

You want a piece of her ? You gotta go through me first.

 

[b&wpac4]

Because they got banned and are over at F&B's shack promoting gay lifestyles and abortion among other things...

I'm sure this will be called that ever vague "debating" but....

That place gets like... 10 posts a day now. 7 of them are Fish's.

The only people who were over there "promoting" things like that were the non-Catholics who were welcome to join and actually express their point of view. Half the threads that were on the gay lifestyle or abortion had me taking one side, and then 7-10 people taking the other. I think you're misleading people here, just a bit.

As to why I read this forum, I have a strong intellectually curiosity for almost any subject matter and I try my best to keep my mind open to new ideas. Who knows, reading here may actually have an effect.

 

[benedictaoo]

I am going to ask this and yes it is yelling, sorry:

WHO IS SAYING HERE EXPLICITLY THAT THEY ARE PRO-CHOICE? I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE YET SAY SO.

Don't raise your voice to me please.

I'm Just sayin... one does not have to come out and admit it. Read between the lines.

Two threads right now.. one is defending abortion "doctors" claiming that they do abortions because they truly care for women...

another claims that pro death is a cruel and divisive term.

If that's not pro abortion speak -- I'm a monkey and I ain't no monkey.

 

[kisstheson]

is this forum so pro abortion... defending abortion doctors, saying abortion is for the good of a mother, etc?

Why is this allowed? Someone please explain why this is allowed?

Of all the forums in congregation, why, for the love of goodness sakes, is the pro abortion stance in the Catholic forum? I know I do not have to say, it does not belong here.

I mean, it's just plain odd, to say the least.

I agree with you on this one.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Two threads right now.. one is defending abortion "doctors" claiming that they do abortions because they truly care for women...

I never saw this post, but I just wanted to say that..

maybe this person just meant that the doctors THINK they're doing a loving thing, ie: their intention is to care for the women but of course they're wrong cause - the baby is a human being too. Like..maybe the doctors don't realize that life starts at conception (which goes against all modern science, but people convince themselves all kinds of things).

(and if anyone wants to say that I'm pro-choice, just look at my sig )

 

[Fish and Bread]

Because they got banned and are over at F&B's shack promoting gay lifestyles and abortion among other things...

The only folks I saw doing that with abortion were the ones who don't hang out here. We had a few of them there that had never set eyes on OBOB.

Anyhow, no one is doing much anything there to day -- the forum is down due to technical issues, and I'm pretty much stumped on how to fix it, spent several hours on it this afternoon. I'm waiting to hear back from some guy in England who may be able to help. And it's late at night over there, so I'm thinking he's sleeping.

I'm Just sayin... one does not have to come out and admit it. Read between the lines.

Two threads right now.. one is defending abortion "doctors" claiming that they do abortions because they truly care for women...

another claims that pro death is a cruel and divisive term.

If that's not pro abortion speak -- I'm a monkey and I ain't no monkey.

Benedicta, folks are telling you they are pro-life. I'm telling you I'm pro-life. I've had plenty of arguments with pro-choicers about abortion. If you are telling us we're not and we're saying we are, you're calling us a bunch of liars, and I, for one, take offense at that. I'd put my pro-life credentials against anyone. I've always been pro-life, on abortion, on everything I consider a life issue. As far as I know, everyone here is in the same boat, except that BWPack guy.

Just because people can see other folks' point of view, doesn't mean they share it. I sort of get a lot of points of view I don't share.

 

[benedictaoo]

I never saw this post, but I just wanted to say that..

maybe this person just meant that the doctors THINK they're doing a loving thing, ie: their intention is to care for the women but of course they're wrong cause - the baby is a human being too. Like..maybe the doctors don't realize that life starts at conception (which goes against all modern science, but people convince themselves all kinds of things).

(and if anyone wants to say that I'm pro-choice, just look at my sig )

well you need to go back and read it again, more like read closely between the lines again.