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must we kill a living creature for food?
If I'm correct the Bible says something about animals being put here partly for food.
Why would God give us something to eat that we have to end the life of?
I thought life was a gift. I don't see why we're allowed to take that gift from all the animals we eat.

So that every time we eat we might remember that our life is made possible through great sacrifice.

There is an Adam and Eve story I think out of the Apocrypha, where God allows Adam and Eve to each take one thing from the Garden of Eden with them before leaving. Adam quickly runs around and gathers up all the seeds he can so that he can plant food and provide for his wife. Eve spends some time thinking, then decides to take a beehive. As a mother, Eve knew that she would be responsible for teaching her children. Bees do not live off of death – in the process of creating their food they pollinate flowers, and so they get “life from life”.

Can we eat rocks? Not life from lifelessness – not life from death – we gain life from life.


Through great sacrifice comes life.
 
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I'm coming home to Montana next summer. Let's grill some critters.

I can stop by with my brood and help
yall party k?

In person I never mention catholicism.
:pink: :angel:

I'm from Missoula, but I might just try to come busting in on you if I get time.

Great Falls

Bozeman here (Boz Angeles) at least for a little while longer, you can stop by and have some anytime. Doesn't matter what faith you claim as long as you don't bring any Griz fans with you, everything will be fine ;)
 
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Can you provide some scripture to back that up? I have not heard that before.

God gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist (Romans 4:17).

The Lord will transform our lowly body into conformity with His glorious body, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself (Philippians 3:21).

It was the Father's good pleasure for all the fulness to dwell in Christ, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven (Colossians 1:19-20).

All flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever (Psalms 145:21).

The glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all flesh will see it together (Isaiah 40:5).

LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'"

ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began

REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful

ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals

ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return

PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD

GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so

Matthew 10 29"(AU)Are not two sparrows sold for a [a]cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father

Peace
 
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God gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist (Romans 4:17).
The Lord will transform our lowly body into conformity with His glorious body, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself (Philippians 3:21).
It was the Father's good pleasure for all the fulness to dwell in Christ, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven (Colossians 1:19-20).

All flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever (Psalms 145:21).
The glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all flesh will see it together (Isaiah 40:5).
LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'"

ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began

REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful

ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals

ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return

PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD

GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so

Matthew 10 29"(AU)Are not two sparrows sold for a [a]cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father

Peace

Thanks. I am not sure I got the same from that, but it's something to chew on (while I chew on my steak).
 
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I agree that it's kind of...one of the things I don't get. Making us dependant on ending the life of other creatures. I understand that it teaches us about life and death, however I would have liked it if there was another way to do it.
 
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must we kill a living creature for food?
If I'm correct the Bible says something about animals being put here partly for food.
Why would God give us something to eat that we have to end the life of?
I thought life was a gift. I don't see why we're allowed to take that gift from all the animals we eat.


The animals that we kill for food would have died sooner or later anyway.

Life is not a gift. If it is, then that makes God an "Indian giver".
 
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The animals that we kill for food would have died sooner or later anyway.

Life is not a gift. If it is, then that makes God an "Indian giver".
Would you mind if I kill you then... your going to die sooner or later anyway.

Are you pork or beef?
 
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Would you mind if I kill you then... your going to die sooner or later anyway.

Are you pork or beef?

Yes, I would certainly mind if you killed me. And I am neither pork or beef. I am a human being who was made in God's image, and who, along with others like me, has been given dominion over everything else which He made.

And as far as my dieing sooner or later . . . . . Nope, not 'gonna happen . .. . .

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." (John 11:25-26)

Now, if after this old flesh has died, you've a mind to take a big bite of it, have at it. I won't mind at all. But I do think God would mind, and I think you would be sorry too, as I am a tough old bird. :)
 
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Yes, I would certainly mind if you killed me.
I'll make it quick, you won't feel a thing.

And I am neither pork or beef.
Lamb... maybe?

And as far as my dieing sooner or later . . . . . Nope, not 'gonna happen
I think the first death will get you

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." (John 11:25-26)
You must die before you can be resurrected

Now, if after this old flesh has died, you've a mind to take a big bite of it, have at it. I won't mind at all. I think you would be sorry too, as I am a tough old bird. :)
That's alright, I've got all my own teeth. :mad:
 
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Gary51 said:
I'll make it quick, you won't feel a thing.

Lamb... maybe?

That's alright, I've got all my own teeth.

:D Very funny. :D

But on a more serious note:
I think the first death will get you
You must die before you can be resurrected



I did die.

"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:6-11)
 
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Originally Posted by sunlover1
LOL.
I can stop by with my brood and help
yall party k?



I don't mind. We would all be at home. As we say, "Montana is where God takes His vacations." :holy:
;) God's country huh?
*thougth that was Canada


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In person I never mention catholicism.
:pink: :angel:
Not me! :D

I'll calm down someday....maybe.....
Uh, so then we come to party,
we debate over a beer eh?
Oh fine.
But NO politics, k?
:D
 
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[must we kill a living creature for food?]

No, but they taste good.

If I'm correct the Bible says something about animals being put here partly for food.

As to the second question: No. The Bible says that the animals were originally created to eat plants, fruit, and grass. Man was originally created to eat the fruit of the Garden - not animals as there was no death and/or bloodshed pre-fall.
 
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must we kill a living creature for food?
If I'm correct the Bible says something about animals being put here partly for food.
Why would God give us something to eat that we have to end the life of?
I thought life was a gift. I don't see why we're allowed to take that gift from all the animals we eat.

'The fatted calf" was always used as a reference to a treat in the parables of Christ.

Do we HAVE to eat meats?
No.

DO we have to abstain from them? NO

And let neither judge the other.
 
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Know you not...that all flesh will know the Salvation of the Lord.

He knows....even when the lowly sparrow falls.

This is not the life that lasts....

(we are gonna see Dinosaurs...awesome !)

I am going off the path a bit.

BUT WHAT is your character wearing on its head??? :scratch:
 
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