why??

[Palatka44]

Of course, if we allow organized praying, then five times a day the Muslim kids can whip out their prayer rugs and face mecca during class. Then there's the other ones that handle snakes during their prayers-rattlers and copperheads-that could get really interesting. The satanist's could light their black candles and say a little prayer. Are you willing to allow all of that? And if so, how much schooling is getting done, and if not, you're only advocating for your religious views.

Yes, Yes, Yes! This is the road that we should travel. America is unique for just this type of experiment. Give all religions equal footing. It is The Gospel of Jesus Christ that will win every time.
Just imagine the hearts won for the Lord.
Those that have a reincarnation world view will now be hearing of eternal life through Christ and no longer fear death.
The muslim who worships a judging, vengeance minded monotheistic god, will come to understand that Jesus has come to save us from God's judgement on sin.
Yes by all means yes this is the answer to all our problems over religion.

Sounds like it all belongs in Sunday school or church or mosque, or temple or whatever, not in the public schools

Thats the point to all this judicial action. If the truth is to be known that is just where they want us, cowering into our own little circles and out of the public scene.

Hey Church they are afraid of us. Let our voices be heard for the Lord our God!

Psalm 3:4-8
4 I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah.
5 I laid me down and slept; I awaked; for the LORD sustained me.
6 I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about.
7 Arise, O LORD; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly.
8 Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.
Psalm 6:8-10
8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.
9 The LORD hath heard my supplication; the LORD will receive my prayer.
10 Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Psalm 28:6-9
6 Blessed be the LORD, because he hath heard the voice of my supplications.
7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
Psalm 31:22-24
8 The LORD is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed.
9 Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.
22 For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee.
23 O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.
24 Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.
Psalm 47:1-4
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah. O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
3 He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.
4 He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
Psalm 55:17-19
17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18 He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
19 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
Psalm 64:1
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.
7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.
8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away.
9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.
On these Words so let us stand!

Psalm 86:8-17
8 Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works.
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.
11 Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.
12 I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.
13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
14 O God, the proud are risen against me, and the assemblies of violent men have sought after my soul; and have not set thee before them.
15 But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.
16 O turn unto me, and have mercy upon me; give thy strength unto thy servant, and save the son of thine handmaid.
17 Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

 

[BarbB]

Hey Church they are afraid of us. Let our voices be heard for the Lord our God!

Halelluia! Singing and dancing for the Lord!!!

 

[ACougar]

Brother Christman said: This brings up an excellent point: In the day and age of “Wicca” (Satanism Lite&#8482 and self-professed witches, Halloween has just as much religious significance as Christmas, Easter, Chanukah, or Ramadan... Yet no one 's complaining (other than Christians). Hmm...

Halloween comes from All Hallows Eve, a Catholic holiday. Samhain, is the name for the Pagan religious holiday and it is a harvest festivale, the word Samhain means end of Summer and it is also a time where we honor our dead (A Pagan Cinco de Mayo basicly.)

Christmas and Easter are both much more Pagan, as they are celebrated in public by our culture, than Halloween.

Wicca has an entirely differant cosmology than Satanism. While Satanism is a sort of inverted Christianity, Wicca is a nature religion that does not accept Christian beliefs as relevant. Like a Muslim who might refer to Christianity as Buddhism Lite, you are doing nothing but showing your lack of knowledge and/or understanding.

 

[revolutio]

The God-haters are the first to scream and cry

This is irking me and I think it needs to be said.

You are using the word God-haters as a brand for anyone who disagrees with various Christian stances on issues. All you are doing is turning the issue into an emotional conflict. No one who believes in a God would hate him, it makes no logical sense. Using loaded language like "scream and cry" is no more helping people to resolve their differences than shooting them in the head would (even less for that matter).

You profess to hate no one but your stances on issues are well passed what would be my definition of hate.

But all that is just my opinion.

 

[Lillithspeak]

Palatka, why didn't you just post the whole bible? For crying out loud. Lillith

 

[Lillithspeak]

This brings up an excellent point: In the day and age of “Wicca” (Satanism Lite™) and self-professed witches, Halloween has just as much religious significance as Christmas, Easter, Chanukah, or Ramadan... Yet no one 's complaining (other than Christians). Hmm...



I'd have checked her out during the play, just to be safe... but I admire your giving the teacher the benefit of the doubt. That shows good will, at least.



This is way out of line and case-and-point for fighting the quiet march of Big Brother and the secular/homosexual/pagan/communist crowd upon the rights of parents. Someone posted a while back in another thread about a proposal in the UK to teach near toddlers about sex (under the guise of promoting abstinence) that the answer to parents who wished to allow their children to keep their innocence was for parents to be present and participate as their kids were “taught” from this program. This, to me, is like telling a Jew “we're going to study Hitler as a nifty guy – but don't worry: you're welcome to participate”.

Insult was added to injury as this person suggested that the absence of some parents from these sessions indicated the need for them (presuming it indicated apathy) while carefully omitting the fact that many parents who would not approve and love their kids might be working two jobs to keep their children fed (and through taxes, pay the salaries of Comrade Sexinstructor and his/her partner). Especially before UNESCO is allowed to pollute our public schools with anti American, anti Jude-Christian propaganda, something has to be done, folks.

This... stuff has been allowed to go way, way too far.



This is why more and more people are sending their kids to private school or, if funds are short, home schooling. The God-haters are the first to scream and cry (i.e. on CNN) about our schools' substandard curriculum (conveniently in time for UNESCO to step in and play the noble patron), but they're causing the flight from our schools and spurring it ever faster through all of this.

I agree, can we move it along a little faster so that maybe little kids can have some fun at school again? You know, jingle bells, santa claus, bobbing for apples, carving pumpkins, etc? I'm so sick of the religious people ruining the fun for the little kids with their ridiculous interpretations of everything under the sun. If you hate the secular world so much I think there's land available in the Sudan you can all put your tax free dollars towards purchasing.

Lillith

 

[Lillithspeak]

What I find ironic is that the federal court was the one to give the order to remove the 10 commandments when Moses is displayed in the Supreme court building holding the 10 commandments.

Also what about the argument that the 10 commandments are a historical document of law. No matter what one thinks of Christianity that is true.

Personally I am against removing them but I do not see it as such a big issue in itself. A bigger issue is the continued secularization of our society and culture. I think that is what the protesters and myself are really concerned about. I choose though to live in my life loving God and others the best I can with God's help and trying to influence others through love. I do not know if this demostration is helping the cause of the gospel or not. To me that is what is important.

I do not agree that the goverment has to be religously neutral or that it could ever happen. The founding fathers were definitely not religously neutral in their writings or in their actions whether public or private.

Okay that is my $.02.

A secular society in no way prevents you from living your faith. To suggest that it does is hardly logical. Trying to force others to live under religioius rules is the problem. Many of us don't choose to live that way. But it doesn't prevent you from doing so.

I'll support your right to deprive yourself of anything your religion dictates, prostrate yourself toward Mecca a hundred times a day if you like, wear a hair shirt, stay celibate until death, whatever, as long as you don't try to talk me into doing the same, let alone pass laws that say I have to do it your way.

I can live with that if you can.

Lillith

 

[Palatka44]

Palatka, why didn't you just post the whole bible? For crying out loud. Lillith

My fingers just wouldn't stop. Those verses of praise just overwhelm me.
Whew, the editing time was unreal. Rejoicing in the Lord's Word is hard to quench.

 

[Arthur Dietrich]

This is irking me and I think it needs to be said.

You are using the word God-haters as a brand for anyone who disagrees with various Christian stances on issues. All you are doing is turning the issue into an emotional conflict. No one who believes in a God would hate him, it makes no logical sense. Using loaded language like "scream and cry" is no more helping people to resolve their differences than shooting them in the head would (even less for that matter).

You profess to hate no one but your stances on issues are well passed what would be my definition of hate.

But all that is just my opinion.

That seems to be his logic. So, why not use it against him? If it is true and you say anyone who disagrees with you and your Christian viewpoints is a God hater--then you, who have confessed to be against pagan ways, homosexuality, etc... are therefore a pagan-hater, a homosexual-hater, etc...-hater. You have gone against the word of your god by hating the 'sinner'.

Of course, if it is not true that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a God hater...then I'm wasting my sarcastic breath. In any event, someone cannot hate something that doesn't exist. Or are you saying that saying God doesn't exist is hate speech? If you said Elves don't exist, would that be hate speech?

Or maybe we're Godaphobes?

Or are you just saying this to make fun of certain liberal coined phrases?

Oh, and Wiccan and Satanism don't even touch. Satanism is love and worship of the self (and doesn't even involve Satan). Wicca involves loving and respecting all.

 

[Philosoft]

The modern courts of course.
What did I say to anger you so?

I didn't realize I was angry.

 

[Philosoft]

As far as I understand it the counter suit is from an Alabama grassroot movement to keep them in place. Moore, because of his office can not bring law suits.

Okay.

Why are you so defencive?

I'm not. I thought I was being offensive. Heh.

I think we should give all religions equal footing on the public scene.

No, you don't.

The Gospel of our loving Savior Jesus Christ will still be standing long after the others are forgotten myths.

Interesting. The 'go ahead and repeal the establishment clause because Christianity is correct' legalism.

Look what's become of the Greco/Roman religion. I'm not affraid of this test for it is a test that has been going on sense Jesus ressurected. Many of his saints have died trying to tell others of the risen Savior and in their deaths many have believed. No one that is a Christian wants to force this onto anyone that does not want it.

Laughable, really. I live in the Panhandle of Florida. Should you visit me sometime, we can go streetcorner-preacher hunting.

It's just that we as Christians want equal footing but be not worrysome we are going to prevail anyway.

Doesn't sound like "equal footing" to me.

If the Alabama display is removed we will have won just the same.

So why the commotion?

 

[Rae]

Halloween has just as much religious significance as Christmas, Easter, Chanukah, or Ramadan
--No, it doesn't. Halloween is a secular holiday that PTA's came up with to discourage vandalism by getting kids out into their communities and getting to know people by trick or treating. SAMHAIN is the religious holiday that Pagans celebrate on October 31. Very few people celebrate it.

Yes, I agree. Brother Christman must be a Gods hater because he disagrees with my point. Why can't you just stop hating the Gods, BC?

 

[webboffin]

It's all much ado about nothing

 

[Palatka44]

I didn't realize I was angry.

We want equal footing, We want equal footing, We want equal footing.
Face it Philo you're afraid. Very afraid to stand toe to toe with the Love of God and His Holy Son. You see, the Christian faith is not about who delivers the best banter but about who loves the sinner.
No other religions offer unconditional love for the sinner. Ask Him into your heart today and you to can be free of your anger towards those God honoring preachers in the panhandle.

 

[Philosoft]

We want equal footing, We want equal footing, We want equal footing.

Not a very catchy slogan. Got anything in iambic pentameter?

Face it Philo you're afraid. Very afraid to stand toe to toe with the Love of God and His Holy Son.

That's true. I couldn't possibly love people enough to banish them to eternal suffering.

You see, the Christian faith is not about who delivers the best banter but about who loves the sinner.

God sounds like a metaphysical Kojak.
"Who loves ya, sinner?"

No other religions offer unconditional love for the sinner. Ask Him into your heart today and you to can be free of your anger towards those God honoring preachers in the panhandle.

Heh. "I offer you unconditional love, on these conditions..."

 

[Brimshack]

No other religion offers unconditional love for the sinner?

And no religion besides Navajo ceremonialism offers a chance to commune with the Diyín Dine'é.

No other religion besides Islam offers the chance to experience the love and mercy of Allah.

No other religion besides teh NAC offers the opportunity to commune with father peyote.


…easy enough game, pick vocabulary important to one religion, then point out that no other religions offer anythig in those terms. Talk about best banter gimmickery!

 

[BigToe]

oh you know these arguments are about semantics. just like no other might shiny green warted toot gives unconditional love for those who donate orange life savers....

 

[ACougar]

We want equal footing, We want equal footing, We want equal footing.
Face it Philo you're afraid. Very afraid to stand toe to toe with the Love of God and His Holy Son. You see, the Christian faith is not about who delivers the best banter but about who loves the sinner.
No other religions offer unconditional love for the sinner. Ask Him into your heart today and you to can be free of your anger towards those God honoring preachers in the panhandle.

We want you to have equal footing, that's why Christianity needs to take a little step back out of Government. I think you forget that at least half of the non-Christians in America practiced the Christians faith at some point and rejected it. We rejected the concept of sin, we rejected the need for a savior from said sin and instead worship Divinities that do not hold eternal damnation over our head. My Goddess is the Mother of all things and Her love is poured out upon the earth. She has no need or desire for sacrifice nor is She a jelouse God.

I and many non-Christians, (I believe) have absolutely no problem at all with the message of CHrist. I do not however agree with the CHristian faith as you understand it.

 

[TLGitom]

We want you to have equal footing, that's why Christianity needs to take a little step back out of Government. I think you forget that at least half of the non-Christians in America practiced the Christians faith at some point and rejected it. We rejected the concept of sin, we rejected the need for a savior from said sin and instead worship Divinities that do not hold eternal damnation over our head. My Goddess is the Mother of all things and Her love is poured out upon the earth. She has no need or desire for sacrifice nor is She a jelouse God.

I and many non-Christians, (I believe) have absolutely no problem at all with the message of CHrist. I do not however agree with the CHristian faith as you understand it.

Something for you to think about Cougar.

History Forgotten


Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal
intervention.

It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society. Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, '"Give me liberty or give me death."' But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted. Here is what he actually said: '"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."'

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this '"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."'

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well-worn Bible: '"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator "' He was also the chairman of the American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most important role.

On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, '"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."'

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, '"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."'

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: '"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."'

William Holmes McGuffey is the author of the McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our public schools with over 125 million copies sold until it was stopped in 1963. President Lincoln called him the '"Schoolmaster of the Nation."'

Listen to these words of Mr. McGuffey: '"The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our notions on the character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free institutions. From no source has the author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. For all these extracts from the Bible I make no apology."'

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the scriptures: '"Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this: '"We have staked the whole future of our new nation not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."'

Today, we are asking God to bless America. But, how can He bless a Nation that has departed so far from Him? Prior to September 11, He was not welcome in America. Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our textbooks. Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about our country's Christian roots.

You are encouraged to share with others, so that the truth of our nation's history will be told.

 

[TLGitom]

This is "WHY".

Jeremiah 18:5-10
5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Jeremiah 26:3-6
3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
4 And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,
5 To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;
6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.


Jeremiah 26:13
13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.