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ACougar said:
:clap: We want you to have equal footing, that's why Christianity needs to take a little step back out of Government. I think you forget that at least half of the non-Christians in America practiced the Christians faith at some point and rejected it. We rejected the concept of sin, we rejected the need for a savior from said sin and instead worship Divinities that do not hold eternal damnation over our head. My Goddess is the Mother of all things and Her love is poured out upon the earth. She has no need or desire for sacrifice nor is She a jelouse God.

I and many non-Christians, (I believe) have absolutely no problem at all with the message of CHrist. I do not however agree with the CHristian faith as you understand it. :sick:
As I understand it? And just how DO I UNDERSTAND IT?
I Understand that I am a sinner saved from judgement. I understand my utter depravity before a Loving God. I understand that I must humble myself and repent of my sins (depravity). I understand that Jesus came and died for my depravity (sins). I understand that He ressurected from the grave so that I upon belief in Him can too have eternal life. :clap:
I understand that judgement is coming. First it will come as persecution of the Church or Christians, for His Church has been wayward lately. Because of the slackness of the Church many have hardend their hearts.
Secondly, and BTW you do not want to be a part of this, judgement of this nation and the world that has set its heart toward the basier things of this life. :bow:
This is the message that will win. That has won.
This is what I understand Cougar, do you?
 
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Philosoft said:
Not a very catchy slogan. Got anything in iambic pentameter?

That's true. I couldn't possibly love people enough to banish them to eternal suffering.

God sounds like a metaphysical Kojak.
"Who loves ya, sinner?"

Heh. "I offer you unconditional love, on these conditions..."
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God loves you Phylosoft. Please harden not your heart toward Him who seeks to show His eternal love to you. :clap:
Come on Church show your love to Phylosoft today. :pray:
 
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ACougar said:
I and many non-Christians, (I believe) have absolutely no problem at all with the message of CHrist. I do not however agree with the CHristian faith as you understand it. :sick:
This is what you should understand ACougar;
Matthew 4:17
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 6:12
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This is the message of Jesus Christ. Hope you understand it better.
 
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Philosoft said:
Not a very catchy slogan. Got anything in iambic pentameter?

:sigh: I'm iambic pentameterly challenged. :( A fault that I must ask forgivness for. :sorry:
Does "God loves you today" work?
Hey, you asked for it.
GOD LOVES YOU TODAY, GOD LOVES YOU TODAY , GOD LOVES YOU TODAY.
 
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The bible says that we should obey authority..Until Morals and Ethics go out the window and it goes against principles and God.......Gods laws are ABOVE mans law. If people were to sit quiet and not do anything.....No Government would be changed and evil leaders would rule everywhere.....what do you think we did to the English so long ago. we resisted tyranny. Thats how we have this great nation, because a whole bunch of men stood up and said I and my families WILL NOT be opressed by you any longer! If something is wrong...you change it and stand up for your rights man! Don't be a pushover. Just because a court rules something this DOES NOT MAKE IT LAW!
AMEN!
Dobson: 'Imperious' Judiciary the Issue, Not 10 Commandments
Allie Martin and Jim Brown
Agape Press

(AgapePress) - One day after the granite Ten Commandments monument was
moved from the rotunda of the Alabama judicial building to "a private
storage area," more than a thousand supporters held a rally in hopes of
bringing it back into public view.

The supporters gathered in the noontime heat on Thursday on the steps of
the judicial building to show their support for Alabama Chief Justice
Roy Moore and the public display of the Ten Commandments -- and to
listen to Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said he came to
the rally to encourage those in the battle.

Dobson said the battle is not about the Ten Commandments. "It is mostly
about the appointed but un-elected and non-accountable, arrogant,
imperious judiciary that is determined to shove their wishes down our
throats," the well-known pro-family leader said. "We need to go to the
Congress and we need to absolutely demand that they rein in this court."

Dobson told the crowd that secularists are twisting a simple phrase to
mean something the Founding Fathers never intended.

"The separation of church and state is not in the Constitution," he
pointed out. "They've had to contrive the basis for these things -- and
then they talk about them as though they were a fact. USA Today had a
whole write-up on the 'separation of church and state,' talking about
how the Constitution supports this or that. But it's not in there."

A poll in USA Today shows that 77% of Americans support the public
display of the Ten Commandments. But Dobson says opponents of Justice
Moore have used the "separation of church and state" argument to remove
God from the public square.

Alabama Governor Supports Moore, but...

Of the removal of the monument from the building's entryway, Moore said
it is "a sad day in our country when the moral foundation of our laws
and the acknowledgement of God has to be hidden from public view to
appease a federal judge." But Alabama Governor Bob Riley says the
monument had to be moved to comply with that federal order.

Governor Riley told Associated Press that the officials who arranged for
the monument to be moved did what they had to do.

"When it comes down to defying that order, then I and the attorney
general [Bill Pryor] think each one of the justices [who called for the
monument's removal] were right in their opinion," the governor said.
"We need to change the law if we disagree with it -- but until then we
have to abide by [it]."

Riley said he appreciates the views of Justice Moore, who has been
suspended, and will support him as far as the law allows. "I'm going to
continue in every way I can to support the judge and the ability for
anyone in any public office to continue to acknowledge God," he said.
"But on the other hand, this is also a nation of laws."

Political Aspirations and Implications

Some critics of Chief Justice Roy Moore have said he has political
aspirations -- and for that reason, is making a stand regarding the Ten
Commandments monument he had installed in the judicial building two
years ago. A political science professor in Alabama believes most
residents in the state support the chief justice -- and would elect him
governor or U.S. senator, should he decide to run.

In an Associated Press interview, Professor Natalie Davis says Moore
stands to benefit politically from the controversy surrounding the
monument. "The cynic in me and the political scientist who follows
public opinion tells me that three-quarters of the people are with Judge
Moore. He is going to ride the tablets [a reference to the Ten
Commandments] to some other office," Davis says.

"He may be removed by our Judicial Inquiry Commission, but that will
only redound to his benefit."

Davis, an instructor at Birmingham-Southern College, says the
opportunity is there for Moore if he wants it. "We have a U.S. Senate
seat coming up in 2004 [and] the governorship will be up in 2006. I
really believe that he will be on the ballot -- and he will be a very
strong candidate."

According to the political science professor, Moore has strong public
support, a national base, and is "very electable."

Davis says while those who support Moore may not be "passionate" about
traveling to Montgomery, Alabama, to show that support, they still side
with him on the issue -- "and to the extent that they do, he's got no
problems when it comes to name recognition. And he has no problems
raising money."

Meanwhile, the issue has worked its way into the political realm in
neighboring Mississippi, where both gubernatorial candidates have said
they want the Ten Commandments monument if Alabama doesn't. Democratic
Governor Ronnie Musgrove said he would display it in the Capital for a
week, then sent it on the road to other state capitals. His Republican
opponent, Haley Barbour, stated he would be happy to display it in the
Governor's Mansion.

© Agape Press

Associated Press contributed to this story.
 
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Palatka44 said:
As I understand it? And just how DO I UNDERSTAND IT?
I Understand that I am a sinner saved from judgement. I understand my utter depravity before a Loving God. I understand that I must humble myself and repent of my sins (depravity). I understand that Jesus came and died for my depravity (sins). I understand that He ressurected from the grave so that I upon belief in Him can too have eternal life. :clap:
I understand that judgement is coming. First it will come as persecution of the Church or Christians, for His Church has been wayward lately. Because of the slackness of the Church many have hardend their hearts.
Secondly, and BTW you do not want to be a part of this, judgement of this nation and the world that has set its heart toward the basier things of this life. :bow:
This is the message that will win. That has won.
This is what I understand Cougar, do you?

You've just explained how you understand it, and I doubt anyone could explain what you understand better than you.

That is not the message I believe, it does not ring true in my heart and I have therefor rejected it despite the threat of eternal damnation. Believe me, this was not a threat I took lightly. Having overcome the terror induced by fear of sin, damnation and all the other lies. I steped back and took a fresh look, Jesus did have alot of value to say and I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jesuses life was an example as to how we should live, love those that hate you, love your neibor as yourself, love the Creator with all your heart. Since I am not a Jew I feel no compulsion to worship the Creator in the form of YHVH and instead worship as my heart dictates.

God is Love and Love is the Law.
 
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TLGitom said:
This is what you should understand ACougar;
Matthew 4:17
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 6:12
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This is the message of Jesus Christ. Hope you understand it better.

Jesus was telling people to live a spiritual life, to live in a sacred manor. To turn away from greed, and all the other things that might stand betwen and man and his Creator.

Plain and simple. You can cut and past verses all you like, it doesn't change what Jesus said. Jesus talked alot about sin because sin was apart of Jewish culture, I disagree with the concept of sin and instead believe that we simply reap what we sow.
 
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ACougar said:
You've just explained how you understand it, and I doubt anyone could explain what you understand better than you.

That is not the message I believe, it does not ring true in my heart and I have therefor rejected it despite the threat of eternal damnation. Believe me, this was not a threat I took lightly. Having overcome the terror induced by fear of sin, damnation and all the other lies. I steped back and took a fresh look, Jesus did have alot of value to say and I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jesuses life was an example as to how we should live, love those that hate you, love your neibor as yourself, love the Creator with all your heart. Since I am not a Jew I feel no compulsion to worship the Creator in the form of YHVH and instead worship as my heart dictates.

God is Love and Love is the Law.
Cougar,
You do feel the need to understand it better than you do or else you would not respond in the ways that you have. you have a deep need to fulfill. That need is to feel clean. God removes all fear of the judgement. Place your trust in Him today and never fear again.
You know what I fear Cougar? I fear for anyone that will not place their hearts into the loving hands of the Savior. That is my only fear.
Look I do not know you but it seems to me that you are a soul thats looking for truth else you would not be responding to a Christian post on a 90% Christian web site. You are compelled to be here and you can not help yourself. Let not this time go into eternity, trust Him. :prayer:
My prescious Lord and Savior give Cougar the wisdom to know you fully, please Lord for his behalf I pray it in the name of your Holy Son Jesus my Lord. AMEN
 
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Palatka44 said:
Cougar,
You do feel the need to understand it better than you do or else you would not respond in the ways that you have. you have a deep need to fulfill. That need is to feel clean. God removes all fear of the judgement. Place your trust in Him today and never fear again.
You know what I fear Cougar? I fear for anyone that will not place their hearts into the loving hands of the Savior. That is my only fear.
Look I do not know you but it seems to me that you are a soul thats looking for truth else you would not be responding to a Christian post on a 90% Christian web site. You are compelled to be here and you can not help yourself. Let not this time go into eternity, trust Him. :prayer:
My prescious Lord and Savior give Cougar the wisdom to know you fully, please Lord for his behalf I pray it in the name of your Holy Son Jesus my Lord. AMEN

You are correct in that I still seek knowledge and understanding. I do not live in fear of Hell or that those I love will be condemned into it. That is a torment reserved for CHristians.

I apreciate this site for many reasons, and post here for a few reasons.

First of all it is well moderated, my hat's off to the people who run this board they do a good job.

Second, there is a broad diversity of opinions here, people from many differant faiths, many differant countries, I think 90% Chrisitan is a little exagerated 70% Christian (at least in the areas I post) would probably be a better estimate.

Third, we don't learn to express ourselves and our opinions by talking to people who agree with us about everything. Sometimes I am persuaded to modify my position, sometimes I learn how to better present my opinion and always I gain a better understanding of opposing views. There are some great minds here, Brimshak, The Bear, Doubtingmearl, Wolsley to name a few as well as cool people full of interesting ideas like Squeezetheshaman and Lunachick and Jeffthefin and quite a few more.
 
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Palatka44 said:
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God loves you Phylosoft. Please harden not your heart toward Him who seeks to show His eternal love to you. :clap:
I think God would know where to "find" me, were he actually "seeking."
Come on Church show your love to Phylosoft today. :pray:
Could you guys maybe start with a little less ambition? Like maybe praying for my busted left knee?
 
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Palatka44 said:
:sigh: I'm iambic pentameterly challenged. :( A fault that I must ask forgivness for. :sorry:
You are forgiven, my son. Iambic pentameter is a characteristic of some poetry; any particular line has a "meter," or beat, that consists of five distinct "feet."
Does "God loves you today" work?
Nope. I don't know what meter that's in, but it isn't iambic pentameter.
Hey, you asked for it.
GOD LOVES YOU TODAY, GOD LOVES YOU TODAY , GOD LOVES YOU TODAY.
Er, thanks.
 
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Brother Christman said:
1)The founder of “Americans” United for Separation of Church and State, Barry Lynn, has admitted privately that this is their agenda.

2) It doesn't take a master's in quantum mechanics to look at today's headlines and examine those of previous decades and do the math. All around the country, special interest groups are fighting more and more overtly against God and Jesus, His blessed son.

3) The Bible clearly speaks of days when people's hearts will be hardened against Him, his Truth, and us (while at the same time, they embrace the occult), just as it foretells the days to follow.

Since you believe number 3 why are you concerned? If God foretold this he must have arranged it and wanted it to happen. So, not to worry right? So those folks you named: "Americans United for Separation of Church and State" are doing Gods will right?

Lilith
 
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SqueezetheShaman said:
*mods, go ahead and move this if necessary...wasn't sure where to put it. Thought here since it is in response the current events in Alabama*

Why do people say things like this ...."This is part of a larger plan to remove every vestige of faith or reverence for God from the public square. That's where this is headed." (james dobson)

I don't need agreement from the majority regarding my god in my everyday life. Why do you (those who agree)?? Are you afraid that if people are not reminded of Christianity every time they turn around, it will lose followers? I don't understand what the "big deal " is...please explain. :scratch:

Good question and one that I have never really understood either. I don't need to be reminded of my faith everytime I turn around. I'm not sure about others but I know my God lives in my heart. I see Him in everything. The birds, the trees, the flowers, etc. Yes, I do have "religious" symbols in my home like crosses, pictures of Jesus etc. but that's b/c I love the artwork. Something else that bothers me - when I saw the protesters out there on the news, I got the distinct impression that they were more interested in worshipping that monument than they were a God. Hey, just because I wear a cross, doesn't make me a christian. Why can't all that energy be used doing more useful things like feeding the poor etc. Let's show people our love and "chrisitanity" instead of just talking about it b/c in my opinion -talk is cheap. Anyway, it's only my opinion.............
 
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Philosoft said:
Nope. I don't know what meter that's in, but it isn't iambic pentameter..

Oh well, had to try.
Ah, My Dad lives on this side of the State, and unless I've been adopted off the genetics are quite clear that I am his son.;) I look just like him.:p
My Heavenly Father is where He is and though my looks are not His?. He has given me His love.:clap:

BTW How's the knee?
 
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Palatka44 said:
Oh well, had to try.
Ah, My Dad lives on this side of the State, and unless I've been adopted off the genetics are quite clear that I am his son.;) I look just like him.:p
Heh. My dad always said I look like the mailman. Hey, wait a minute...
BTW How's the knee?
Well, I can almost fully straighten it. You can't imagine how difficult it is just to walk without being able to straighten your knee(s). I'll be able to see the inevitable progression of doctors [hopefully] this week, when my group insurance extension takes effect. Thanks for asking.
 
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