Why You Don't 'Get' the Passover...

[visionary]

What if....

The whole experience over there in Egypt was for the separation from worshiping other gods?

Follow this for a moment...

Did anyone notice that the lamb was a deity worshiped in Egypt, and the idea of slaughtering it was offensive to Egypt? Think about this... all the plagues were judgments on the false gods of Egypt. All the top Egyptian gods were being judged and proved to be false gods during the Ten Plagues in Exodus. The relevance of the gods escalated as they progressed so that it was Egypt's top, MOST REVERED GOD and the god who was even most revered by OUTSIDE NATIONS, the ram god, who was judged last. For more information on this last god.. Amun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zeus Ammon. Roman copy of a Greek original from the late 5th century BC. The Greeks of the lower Nile Delta and Cyrenaica combined features of supreme god Zeus with features of the Egyptian god Ammon-Ra.

The death of the firstborn plague illustrated that their lamb god could not save them, but whoever [that includes Egyptians, mix multitude, and Israelites] renounced the idolatry by trusting God and slaughtering it, smearing the blood on their doorposts boldly and eating it, their firstborn would be saved by the God of Israel. God was in the fire and swirling cloud that lead and protected them.

Remember how the Israelites had to be reminded not to worship the snake (one of these foreign gods and the consequence of their yearning for Egypt and complaining about His provision) when Moses lifted a bronze snake up on a pole in Numbers 21. The Israelites kept it for hundreds of years, but later when they worshiped it, in 1 Kings 18, King Hezekiah destroyed it.

 

[Yahudim]

You do know that Ra is Hebrew for evil, right?

 

[Yahudim]

Hi Vis,

I've got a minute now so I will try to address your post. You did get that my earlier comment was a confirmation, right?

This is an excellent post that really needs no other comments other than to say that you were examining the depth of the immediate context and I was attempting to address the overview with a special focus on the end game: Back to the Garden. I think that we spend a lot of time in the details and miss the bigger picture sometimes. Not saying that is what you do. I know better. But saying that my post was an attempt to bring the focus back to the 'why' instead of the 'what' or the 'how'. That's all.

Did you read the article from Biblical Archaeology that I linked to in the blog? I thought the author offered some interesting insights on these matters and I was expecting that you might comment on his take on the ten plagues.

Most people see the plagues as you do, an open assault against the 'gods' of Egypt. So this is a wonderful exposition of the context of those events. But if you had to, how would you tie this the Genesis account? Just curious...

What if....

The whole experience over there in Egypt was for the separation from worshiping other gods?

Follow this for a moment...

Did anyone notice that the lamb was a deity worshiped in Egypt, and the idea of slaughtering it was offensive to Egypt? Think about this... all the plagues were judgments on the false gods of Egypt. All the top Egyptian gods were being judged and proved to be false gods during the Ten Plagues in Exodus. The relevance of the gods escalated as they progressed so that it was Egypt's top, MOST REVERED GOD and the god who was even most revered by OUTSIDE NATIONS, the ram god, who was judged last. For more information on this last god.. Amun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zeus Ammon. Roman copy of a Greek original from the late 5th century BC. The Greeks of the lower Nile Delta and Cyrenaica combined features of supreme god Zeus with features of the Egyptian god Ammon-Ra.

The death of the firstborn plague illustrated that their lamb god could not save them, but whoever [that includes Egyptians, mix multitude, and Israelites] renounced the idolatry by trusting God and slaughtering it, smearing the blood on their doorposts boldly and eating it, their firstborn would be saved by the God of Israel. God was in the fire and swirling cloud that lead and protected them.

Remember how the Israelites had to be reminded not to worship the snake (one of these foreign gods and the consequence of their yearning for Egypt and complaining about His provision) when Moses lifted a bronze snake up on a pole in Numbers 21. The Israelites kept it for hundreds of years, but later when they worshiped it, in 1 Kings 18, King Hezekiah destroyed it.

 

[visionary]

I can't seem to get the link to work now.

 

[visionary]

God's death redeemed us from the babylonian/egyptian influencial ways of which required shed innocent blood for the forgiveness of sins. What the sacrifices were intended for, initially, became a preverted process of excusing slaughter after needless slaughter of not just animals but children, virgins, etc. God ended that all when He said "It is finished."!

People often get caught up in the technicalities that they forget the purpose... so that, in this case, you sin no more. So that you are so repentant, that there is no way you would want to sin, causing an innocent to die for the error of your ways.

People cry to God asking why do the innocents suffer for the evil in this world. The sacrificial system states that it is the innocent who suffer for the sins of others. When we do not partake of the evil nature, we become part of the solution to this "sin" issue instead of part of the problem.

 

[Alithis]

God's death redeemed us from the babylonian/egyptian influencial ways of which required shed innocent blood for the forgiveness of sins. What the sacrifices were intended for, initially, became a preverted process of excusing slaughter after needless slaughter of not just animals but children, virgins, etc. God ended that all when He said "It is finished."!

People often get caught up in the technicalities that they forget the purpose... so that, in this case, you sin no more. So that you are so repentant, that there is no way you would want to sin, causing an innocent to die for the error of your ways.

People cry to God asking why do the innocents suffer for the evil in this world. The sacrificial system states that it is the innocent who suffer for the sins of others. When we do not partake of the evil nature, we become part of the solution to this "sin" issue instead of part of the problem.

just a thought ,a verse that came to mind triggered by your comment on slaying the lamb ..
i think it adds eternal perspective ..(preceding verse included to keep context)

" For ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver and gold, from your vain way of living which ye received by tradition from your fathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot,
20 who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

 

[visionary]

No wonder people are confused about the Passover. Passover is NOT about forgiveness of sin, Yom Kipper is. Yet, John the Immerser said

John 1:29 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
29 The next day, Yochanan saw Yeshua coming toward him and said, “Look! God’s lamb! The one who is taking away the sin of the world!

 

[HannibalFlavius]

What if....

The whole experience over there in Egypt was for the separation from worshiping other gods?

Follow this for a moment...

Did anyone notice that the lamb was a deity worshiped in Egypt, and the idea of slaughtering it was offensive to Egypt? Think about this... all the plagues were judgments on the false gods of Egypt. All the top Egyptian gods were being judged and proved to be false gods during the Ten Plagues in Exodus. The relevance of the gods escalated as they progressed so that it was Egypt's top, MOST REVERED GOD and the god who was even most revered by OUTSIDE NATIONS, the ram god, who was judged last. For more information on this last god.. Amun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zeus Ammon. Roman copy of a Greek original from the late 5th century BC. The Greeks of the lower Nile Delta and Cyrenaica combined features of supreme god Zeus with features of the Egyptian god Ammon-Ra.

The death of the firstborn plague illustrated that their lamb god could not save them, but whoever [that includes Egyptians, mix multitude, and Israelites] renounced the idolatry by trusting God and slaughtering it, smearing the blood on their doorposts boldly and eating it, their firstborn would be saved by the God of Israel. God was in the fire and swirling cloud that lead and protected them.

Remember how the Israelites had to be reminded not to worship the snake (one of these foreign gods and the consequence of their yearning for Egypt and complaining about His provision) when Moses lifted a bronze snake up on a pole in Numbers 21. The Israelites kept it for hundreds of years, but later when they worshiped it, in 1 Kings 18, King Hezekiah destroyed it.

I don't know what the deal is with Egypt, but I found something in Egypt that really tested my faith beyond what I thought it could be tested.


I found a priesthood set up just like the levitical priesthood before there was a Levitical Priesthood.

Their concept of the sections of the temple mirrored the same biblical concept, and what was their temple design, they then built an entire city in that temple design, so as to include the whole city within symbolic temple walls.

This is what the Temple does with Jerusalem, and so it pretty much was a wonder to me, but I got over it.

 

[DennisTate]

From my blog, "What He Said..." at p-s*hat.blogspot.com (you have to remove the *for the link to work).

Do you think you know the Passover? Sure you do. You've familiarized yourself with scripture and expositions authored of the anointed and notable. The Haggadah is memorized and so too, every event detail from Exodus to Execution stake, from Moshe to Messiah. You know it all by rote, right? Well, maybe not...

This Passover may very well prove to be of historic significance. The intriguing work of Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries concerning the 'blood moons' is notable; the tetrads of eclipses that brackets the Moedim would suggest that it is, should history prove a reliable witness. But even standing in witness, what does this remarkable event tell us?

In this sound-bite driven and micro-managed society, we languish like the pod-dwellers in the Matrix. The ancients knew the stars by name and inference; when to plant and reap, when to plan and when to feast. But today, little is known of the signs and seasons. We live the illusion, clad in avatars and electronic facades; breast fed on the glass teat and spoon-fed by the bit-stream. Meat is rare. Context is traced to the threshold of habit and habitation. But that which shelters us from the vagaries of life, shelters us from each other, the Creation and the Creator we would understand. Having sought to find and asked that it may be given, we hear the knock but dawdle at the Dalet, not fully able to personalize the prophetic nature of Pesach. Our frame of reference is not suitable to the similitude.

I invite you down the garden path, through the passageways of Gan Edhen, to the inception of Hag Pesach and the Person that is the Passover, "...the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world". But this time taken in it's proper context, not from Exodus to Execution stake, from Moshe to Messiah, but from Adam to Aliyah. For the blessings of the Redeemer, began with the curses of Adam and the ministry of the Redeemer began in the beginning, the place from which He declares the End.

In the coming weeks, I will begin a multi-part series on the thematic aspects of the Passover that will take us on an extraordinary journey through scripture, from Berashit to Brith Chadashah, from the Revelation of the Father in Torah, through to the Revelation of His Son; the Kinsman Redeemer, the Blood Avenger, "the Lamb slain from the foundations of the world". I promise bite-sized portions and digestible dialogue. Until then...

Chag Pesach Samech!​

It is my intent to post this study here, but feel free to visit and 'share' the posts as they become available! I could use your help getting this off the ground.

Thanks, and Blessings,
Phillip

I personally believe that we tend to miss much of the meaning in Passover.... because we do not realize that Passover was also ... at the same time... a Yom Kippur event!!!!!!??????

I of course could be wrong... but... .one taken and one left..... sure sounds like Yom Kippur to me????!!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!
This is just a theory and I may be wrong but after being highly skeptical of the idea of a rapture for most of my life I am now open to the idea that the Rapture could fit in extremely well with the ultimate fulfillment of the Fast of Yom Kippur.


I could not get my head around this idea until reading the NDE account of Dr. Richard Eby:

"My Father assures me that the time is yet a little while, but very little. Soon he will call those already in paradise to surround me as we descend from this third heaven to the first heaven around the Earth. The souls of all my saints will be instantly clothed in their new resurrection bodies, as will the living saints on Earth who rise to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding trumpet they all receive new bodies and rise to meet us in the air. We return as my body to my throne room with the Father. Now do you understand why I called this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp what it will mean to be one with me and the Father in your incorruptible bodies? My book states that I assumed mankind's sin so you "might be made the righteousness of God' in me!"

I can clearly recall how Jesus' voice paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation too intense and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living that moment at which he would enjoy the victory which his Father would give him as the eternal reward for his own long-suffering? His own sting of death would be swallowed up, and he would be the omniscient Head of a completed and compliant body for whom he had shed his blood on a terrible cross. He would reign as KING of the Jews after these days of grace. Then his thoughts returned to me.

"My son, when that time has come, my Father will call to me. The applause of the heavenly hosts will be deafening; they too have been awaiting that day, ever since they announced my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so long ago. Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as my angelic hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly body of believers at my soon return to Earth.

 

[visionary]

If God wanted the Passover to be a Yom Kippur event, He would have indicated it to be so. Yeshua is the key to all the feasts, but not that each feast represents the other feasts. We need to see them as separate, distinct, and important in their own right.

 

[visionary]

Passover (Exodus 12.5-11; Leviticus 23.5) The slaying of the lamb and Exodus out of Egypt are the symbolic type upon which the feast was first instituted. Historically before Christ, Passover marked the national liberation of the Hebrews from Egyptian slavery. (See Exodus 12:2-11)

Passover literally means the lamb. God instructed each family to take an unblemished year-old male lamb into their home on the tenth day of the first month. They were to examine the lamb for four days to see that it was perfect. On the evening of the fourth day, they were to kill the lamb and take some of the lamb’s blood and place it on the two doorposts and the lintel of their house.

On this first Passover, the avenging angel of God killed every first born male throughout the land, from Pharaoh, to slave, to camel. The angel of death would pass over those homes which the homeowners believers protected themselves by placing the blood of a lamb on their doorposts and lintels. So are we today to place the blood of the lamb on the doorposts of our heart and mind to protect us from the final plagues that will be meted out in the end of earth’s history.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter.

 

[visionary]

Christ our The Passover Lamb

Out of all the sacrificial services, the Passover is so well known and remembered as the sacrifice of Yeshua, our Passover Lamb. The Passover Lamb was the first sacrifice that Israel, as a nation, was commanded to make. Against the drama unfolding in Exodus, the Passover sacrifice strikes an indelible impression on the mind of the reader as significant as it was in Egypt it was more significant in Jerusalem.

Exodus 12:43 And God said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the Passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof: 44. But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 45. A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.

 

[visionary]

We are Yeshua’s servants He has purchased us with His blood. Through His Sacrifice our hearts are to be circumcised so we can receive His Commandments.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is inyou, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price:therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1 Corinthians 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

 

[visionary]

In that story of the night in Egypt, the stakes were very high. Death is coming to the land of Egypt. Even the Israelites will not be spared as the LORD comes to strike the firstborn of man and beast. It is a judgment from heaven, a terror in the night. No merits for innocence and guilt. Faith and creed were irrelevant. The righteous will perish with the wicked. Previous plagues had shown favoritism, sparing the Jews in the midst of Egypt. The tenth plague, however, was completely impartial. Just as in life itself, death knows no boundaries, the tenth plague will strike Egyptian and Jewish homes alike.

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. 30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. Only those who are within homes marked by the blood of a lamb will be spared.

Had the Egyptians imitated the ritual slaughter of the Passover lamb, marking their homes with the blood in like manner, they too would have been spared. The only criteria for salvation is the blood on the doorway. The Passover and the blood are a type of Christ's redeeming work. What does God see? He sees the blood of the lamb symbolic of His only begotten Son: as it is said, 'God will see for himself the lamb .' Genesis 22:8 The blood of the Passover lamb symbolizes God's only begotten Son. The blood of Yeshua serves in the atoning work of covering our sins. God remembers the sacrifice when he sees the lamb's blood, and in merit of Yeshua's willing sacrifice, he then spares that house from wrath.

Corinthians 5:7 Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us.

Yeshua was to completely fulfilled the Passover events with exact timing. John saw Yeshua coming toward him and recognized right away this was promised sacrifice and said,

John 1:29 Behold There is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

At Yeshua’s Appointed Time, the feast of Passover was met with the fulfillment. It was not on any other time, date, month, year, just the appointed time found in the feast of the Passover. Why this Passover? Many speculate it may have to do with the Jubilee cycle.

Lev 23:4,5 These are the appointed times of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

Moed is the Hebrew word for appointed time, often translated as festival, but actually means appointment. Passover and The Feast of Unleavened Bread are moedim or appointed times. They are the LORD's appointed times for doing business with man. The idea of Passover as an appointed time is expressed by the words of Yeshua as he prepares to meet his own appointed time in Jerusalem. In Mathew 26:17,18, Yeshua calls this particular Passover my appointed time. Yeshua has identified the appointed time of the not only the Passover but also the Festival of Unleavened Bread as his appointed time for fulfillment. Thirty three years Yeshua lived and walked on the earth. But that year, he says that the Passover is His appointed time.

 

[db7]

Too bad people don't treat their Bibles like their cells. But, what if we carried our Bibles in pockets or purses like we do our wireless device? What if we turned back in case we forgot it, flipped through it several times each day, used it to receive messages, or had a fear of losing it?

I carry my Bible on my wireless device

Posting here for future study! Looks like a great thread.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I carry my Bible on my wireless device

Posting here for future study! Looks like a great thread.

My opinion is to realize yourself in the Passover, just the first step.


It is who we are in the flesh, but we want to progress to a Shavuot, and into the Holy place, and then we want to progress to the third{Sukkot.}

Real men don't just live life as a survivor, real men become coverings, they become great trees with shelter, and this is to progress one's faith to the third level.

They become great trees while the majority is like grass in the presence of a tree giving fruit to all the animals, and this is to become a covering, a true covering.

Just my opinions though.

A progression from Passover to Sukkot.

 

[DennisTate]

What if....

The whole experience over there in Egypt was for the separation from worshiping other gods?

Follow this for a moment...

Did anyone notice that the lamb was a deity worshiped in Egypt, and the idea of slaughtering it was offensive to Egypt? Think about this... all the plagues were judgments on the false gods of Egypt. All the top Egyptian gods were being judged and proved to be false gods during the Ten Plagues in Exodus. The relevance of the gods escalated as they progressed so that it was Egypt's top, MOST REVERED GOD and the god who was even most revered by OUTSIDE NATIONS, the ram god, who was judged last. For more information on this last god.. Amun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zeus Ammon. Roman copy of a Greek original from the late 5th century BC. The Greeks of the lower Nile Delta and Cyrenaica combined features of supreme god Zeus with features of the Egyptian god Ammon-Ra.

The death of the firstborn plague illustrated that their lamb god could not save them, but whoever [that includes Egyptians, mix multitude, and Israelites] renounced the idolatry by trusting God and slaughtering it, smearing the blood on their doorposts boldly and eating it, their firstborn would be saved by the God of Israel. God was in the fire and swirling cloud that lead and protected them.

Remember how the Israelites had to be reminded not to worship the snake (one of these foreign gods and the consequence of their yearning for Egypt and complaining about His provision) when Moses lifted a bronze snake up on a pole in Numbers 21. The Israelites kept it for hundreds of years, but later when they worshiped it, in 1 Kings 18, King Hezekiah destroyed it.

Fascinating theory Visionary!

I love it!!!!

 

[DennisTate]

If God wanted the Passover to be a Yom Kippur event, He would have indicated it to be so. Yeshua is the key to all the feasts, but not that each feast represents the other feasts. We need to see them as separate, distinct, and important in their own right.

Intriguing!

So do you suspect that the predicted "restoration of all things" through the final Elijah and the work of the two witnesses of Revelation will somehow fit in with the autumn harvest festivals?

 

[visionary]

Intriguing!

So do you suspect that the predicted "restoration of all things" through the final Elijah and the work of the two witnesses of Revelation will somehow fit in with the autumn harvest festivals?

Absolutely

 

[db7]

I wonder whether the "great and fearful" Day of the LORD will be a passover event? With its plagues, its darkness and its judgement on those who are not covered by the blood of the Lamb, it sure sounds like the final Passover.