Why You Don't 'Get' the Passover...

[HannibalFlavius]

I wonder whether the "great and fearful" Day of the LORD will be a passover event? With its plagues, its darkness and its judgement on those who are not covered by the blood of the Lamb, it sure sounds like the final Passover.

Rosh Hashanah.

But I believe the thing that nobody gets is this.

Passover is not a singular thing.

I don't believe that Passover, Shavuot, and Sukkot can be separated.

Besides this, there are two calendars with two new years eve days.

The calendars are 6 months apart, but we can call the 7th month the first month and the first month the 7th month.

On the 14th and 15th of Nisan, I am thinking of the 14th and 15th of Tishri.


If the Passover can be separated from the Shavuot and the Sukkot, it is like telling me that the body can be separated from the soul and spirit.

 

[DennisTate]

Rosh Hashanah.

But I believe the thing that nobody gets is this.

Passover is not a singular thing.

I don't believe that Passover, Shavuot, and Sukkot can be separated.

Besides this, there are two calendars with two new years eve days.

The calendars are 6 months apart, but we can call the 7th month the first month and the first month the 7th month.

On the 14th and 15th of Nisan, I am thinking of the 14th and 15th of Tishri.


If the Passover can be separated from the Shavuot and the Sukkot, it is like telling me that the body can be separated from the soul and spirit.

Also..... something we tend to miss.... is that "wrath of the LORD" is offset by G-d off the scale sense of humor!

Yom Kippur teaches us that our worst mistakes...... often propell us to levels of humility plus empathy plus compassion....... that can only be attained through experience.

Heaven may look at our sins..... very differently than we do.... but however we view the way G-d judges us..... is actualy...... how we tend to judge others.

If we ourselves are proud, arrogant, angry, fearful..... then we will tend to paint G-d in our own image!!!

 

[Hoshiyya]

Also..... something we tend to miss.... is that "wrath of the LORD" is offset by G-d off the scale sense of humor!

Yom Kippur teaches us that our worst mistakes...... often propell us to levels of humility plus empathy plus compassion....... that can only be attained through experience.

Heaven may look at our sins..... very differently than we do.... but however we view the way G-d judges us..... is actualy...... how we tend to judge others.

If we ourselves are proud, arrogant, angry, fearful..... then we will tend to paint G-d in our own image!!!

There is much truth to Hannibal's comment and your response, but one might add that many humans are very liberal, so they may judge more liberally than God. Hence what a man considers innocent (and hence doesn't judge another for doing) God may consider a sin. So one must be discerning in one's application of the principle of "you shall be judged the way you judged others". A man may not mind his son being f.ex a homosexual, but God does.

 

[Hoshiyya]

I wonder whether the "great and fearful" Day of the LORD will be a passover event? With its plagues, its darkness and its judgement on those who are not covered by the blood of the Lamb, it sure sounds like the final Passover.
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Since a thousand years is a day to God, this term "the great and terrible day of the Lord" ultimately describes or may describe the entire millennium or events occurring at various points in the millennium.
In any case it appears the millennium will begin on a Rosh Hashana (Yom Teruah).

 

[visionary]

In the same manner that Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming, so also will He fulfill the fall feasts. I am not saying there is not aspects that Yeshua pointed to the fall events during His first coming, like the dedication saying He is the living water... like His birth during Sukkot, as He came to tabernacle with us. ..

 

[annier]

In the same manner that Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming, so also will He fulfill the fall feasts. I am not saying there is not aspects that Yeshua pointed to the fall events during His first coming, like the dedication saying He is the living water... like His birth during Sukkot, as He came to tabernacle with us. ..

Did he not atone for our sins Vis?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Did he not atone for our sins Vis?

Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices, but what do the sacrifices have to do with the promises of the feast days?

Most people just say that Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices without being able to prove it.

One should know how to explain how Jesus was a Sukkot bull on Nisan 14 when a bull has never been sacrificed on Nisan 14, or how Jesus was the Yom Kippor sacrifice by showing Barrabas.


Ezekiel talks about all these sacrifices happening on Nisan 14, but that does not fulfill the coming fall Holy days.

Jesus was also the Pentecost sacrifice on Nisan 14, did that Cancel out what happened on Pentecost?

We have the promise of obtaining the true Sukkah in the coming Sukkot, and we have a whole bunch of scriptures showing us what happens at that event.

We saw Jesus raised on the feast of first fruit, but that did not complete firstfruit, because we still hope in the promise of this day.


The marriage supper of the lamb, has it taken place?



It is an appointed day that will take place.


We are told to prepare for Sukkot in praying for the rain in the days of its coming.

Hosea says that the coming of the Lord is as the rain, even the latter and former rains upon the earth.

The spring rains
The fall rains.

Has the second coming of the Lord taken place?

The second coming is the fall rains in which we are to pray for the outpouring of these events.

 

[annier]

Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices, but what do the sacrifices have to do with the promises of the feast days?

I ask because he either fulfilled the day of atonement or he did not.

 

[visionary]

The fact is that the lamb was one of the highly respected gods of Egypt. It was the one thing that Exodus is clear about what the Egyptians thought and it was forbidden to kill a lamb or a kid for any reason. This was the last god of Egypt to be slain. On the tenth of Nissan hundreds of thousands of Jews selected an unblemished male lamb within its first year to be slain on the fourteenth of Nissan. Which means that hundreds of thousands of lambs were going to be slain. This was a sign by every Jewish slave of their faith in God. To me, it was a great miracle that the Egyptians did nothing.

The nation of Israel made it very clear that on the fourteenth of Nissan they were going to kill over 1/2 million lambs and kids right if front of the Egyptians if they didn't let them leave to go out into the desert to make the sacrifice. Then each Jewish household declared their freedom from the Egyptian god by killing the lamb and placing its blood on the doorpost of their own home. Can you imagine if every idol on earth were taken down one by one here in the last days? Would people still cling to the dust and rubble of their favorites? Would people realize that God is calling them out of their deceptions to the truth?

Imagine how it was back then. Amun Ra - The Ultimate Egyptian God
This sacrificing of the lambs is a bold defiance of the Egyptian laws and respect for their god. It was also a statement by the Israelites of their trust in God! The blood was a sign to the Egyptians that every Jewish household had slain their god. Since they had gone through all the other Egyptian gods with the other plagues, this had to have been the last straw.

 

[visionary]

I ask because he either fulfilled the day of atonement or he did not.

God can use the sacrifice but the day of atonement, the great Yom Kippur fulfillment has yet to happen.

 

[annier]

God can use the sacrifice

What does this mean? Use what sacrifice?

but the day of atonement, the great Yom Kippur fulfillment has yet to happen.

You do not believe Christ died for an atonement of our sins?

 

[visionary]

What does this mean? Use what sacrifice?


You do not believe Christ died for an atonement of our sins?

Now put those two thoughts together. Yeshua is the sacrifice, and its application in Yom Kippur has yet to occur. Yom Kippur is a fall feast which Revelation explains. If you understand the sanctuary service, understand the roll of the sacrifice in Yom Kippur, and the events that surround it portrayed in the rehearsal of Yom Kippur, it will come clear that Yom Kippur has yet to happen.

 

[annier]

Now put those two thoughts together. Yeshua is the sacrifice, and its application in Yom Kippur has yet to occur. Yom Kippur is a fall feast which Revelation explains. If you understand the sanctuary service, understand the roll of the sacrifice in Yom Kippur, and the events that surround it portrayed in the rehearsal of Yom Kippur, it will come clear that Yom Kippur has yet to happen.

I am looking for the bottom line here. Some of you seem to believe our sins have not been atoned for. Is this correct or not?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I am looking for the bottom line here. Some of you seem to believe our sins have not been atoned for. Is this correct or not?

Why would you say that?

 

[annier]

Why would you say that?

Because this says so.
"Yom kippur has yet to occur" and "yom kippur has yet to happen"?

Yeshua is the sacrifice, and its application in Yom Kippur has yet to occur. Yom Kippur is a fall feast which Revelation explains. If you understand the sanctuary service, understand the roll of the sacrifice in Yom Kippur, and the events that surround it portrayed in the rehearsal of Yom Kippur, it will come clear that Yom Kippur has yet to happen.

 

[visionary]

I am looking for the bottom line here. Some of you seem to believe our sins have not been atoned for. Is this correct or not?

There is a difference between having your sins atoned for and the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur services.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I suppose that you would have to know Yom Kippor before you can see it.


You need to know Rosh Hashanah before you can see it.

You need to know Sukkot before you can see it.

These days happen in Revelation, and if you can't see them, its probably because you don't know them. To know them is to know the promises associated with them.

We can see these days happening in the future, but even if we couldn't see them, we still wait on the fulfillment of them, and their promises.


We all know that Jesus was all the sacrifices, but the sacrifices is not what the Holy days teach. Being resurrected is not about the sacrifice of Blood. Becoming the bride of Christ in the future, is not about the sacrifice.


We wait on the promises, because some of us know these days.


Again, Jesus was the Pentecost sacrifice on Nisan 14, did that stop the promise of the pouring out of the Holy spirit?

No, it did not.

The sacrifices do not stop the marriage supper, they do not stop and cancel out firstfruits. They do not stop and cancel out Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippor, or the coming grape harvest.

In what world have these promises been fulfilled?

They haven't, but our sins have been atoned for.

 

[annier]

I suppose that you would have to know Yom Kippor before you can see it.

I know that Christ by one sacrifice died to make an atonement for sins. We have either received that atonement or we have not. That is the bottom line. And it's seems that there are some which believe his atonement is not yet given.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I know that Christ by one sacrifice died to make an atonement for sins. We have either received that atonement or we have not. That is the bottom line. And it's seems that there are some which believe his atonement is not yet given.

Again, Jesus was the Pentecost sacrifice on Nisan 14, and Shavuot was another 50 days.


From your perspective, the outpouring of the Holy spirit could not have happened if all you are looking for is just an animal to die.


Do you currently have an incorruptible body?


The bottom line is that you can't get one, nor can you become the overcomer who will be resurrected for the reign of the king.

You have no hope of entering the wedding chamber to consummate the marriage with Jesus.


If that's what you think, that the sacrifices ended everything.


Your water will not be turned to wine.



Paul tells us that those days are a shadow of things to come.

What does,'' Things to come'' mean to you?

Are they things in the past?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Because this says so.
"Yom kippur has yet to occur" and "yom kippur has yet to happen"?

Yom kippor can be seen happening in the seals, in the trumpets and in the bowels.

Rosh Hashanah and Yom kippor are both shown in all 3 of these things, in fact, that's what Revelation is about. It is Rosh Hashanah unfolding, Yom Kippor unfolding, Sukkot taking place.


It is a book of fall Holy days.