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Why would God create a flawed creation?
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Which you would not be, if you heeded the warning God gave.
True, that may mean killing yourself to avoid being put to shame, but the point is it would be free choice.
Your mistake in criticizing this would probably be on the basis of the misconception, that it is God who orchestrates what is created.
You are assuming that God is held to account for things happening in Hell, as if being held to account for things that happen in Heaven is the same thing.
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Sounds like Satan's no slouch when it comes to creation, then. God doesn't have the monopoly...
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What an unbelievably ignorant statement.
He created hell, so yes, he's ultimately accountable there as well.
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Where did Satan get the idea to rebel?
How could anyone in God's perfect creation decide to rebel? If things are perfect, why would anyone choose to rebel? Where would they even get the idea from?
How could anyone in God's perfect creation decide to rebel? If things are perfect, why would anyone choose to rebel? Where would they even get the idea from?
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You have a flawed understanding of what perfection means. God created a perfect world where free will exist. Therefore, perfection does not mean inability for corruption, it simply means God has made His created beings completely capable of being sinless. Was satan capable of being a sinless angel when God made him? Yes. Was Adam and Eve capable of being sinless when God made them? Yes. But by their free will, they choose to sin.
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The ability to be corrupted under any definition is a flaw. Therefore, if the potential for corruption existed, then this was not a perfect creation.
The only way around that is if god created with the world with the purposeful intent of it falling into sin. Then you can say the creation was perfect, however your god loses all claim to being a supreme moral agent.
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The Bible says none of such things. Its men like you who have no understanding of it that ascribes to it what it does not say.
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Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Read your bible, it's in there....
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If you insist on your definition of perfection, then similarly, I can say that being incomplete in knowledge of what good and evil are is also under any definition a flaw. In other words, a world where there is no possibility of corruption or no knowledge of the difference between good and evil is also a flawed world.
What makes something perfect is its knowledge of both good and evil, but the will to choose good instead of evil. This is what defines God's nature, and what He desires His created beings to be like. Inability of corruption robs His creation of the complete knowledge He has of good and evil.
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Yet another attempt at twisting the Bible. Do you not see the contrast in that sentence? Peace is contrasted with evil, just like light with darkness. Then clearly the evil here refers not to sin, but to conflict or lack of peace. Is it so hard to understand a contrast in the English language? Who then are you trying to ascribe God as the author of sin?
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