Why Would "Common Design" Mimic Evolution?

[Aureus]

Oldest Horseshoe Crab Fossil Found, 445 Million Years Old -- ScienceDaily

Congratulations you cited an article four years older than what I provided. Your article is relatively non descript, lacking in detail and only serves to strengthen the idea that there are no "living fossils" that show what you wish them to when the "living fossil" that most deserves the name has itself changed.

 

[Aureus]

Still no links and even less understanding.

The prophecy (not that you even bothered to read it) specifically says: "Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up."

So you see, if Nebuchadanezzar had simply destroyed Tyre and been done with it, that wouldn't have jived with the prediction at all. No, after a 13-year siege, the mainland city of Tyre surrendered and when Nebuchadanezzar broke down the gate he found the city nearly deserted as everyone had gone to the island city.

Later Alexander the Great decided that he would make peace with the island city and sent an ambassador there to negotiate terms. Tyre's leaders executed the ambassadors and threw their bodies off the walls. Alexander was, shall we say, displeased. He disassembled the ruins of the mainland city and used it to make a walkway of sorts to take him out to the island city of Tyre. You can read all about it in Alexander's Siege of Tyre, 332 BC (Article) -- Ancient History Encyclopedia

You can get back to me when you figure out that "rebuilt" seems to be the most popular biblical translation. Tyre was rebuilt, bible said it wouldn't be. End of really. Of course let's see you figure out how to play another word game of "rebuilt doesn't mean rebuilt"

 

[Aureus]

Better yet since you are so fond of links, read this Ezekiel's false prophecy about Tyre , then go ahead and continue ignoring that the prophecy was an utter failure.

 

[JacksBratt]

Many creationists claim that the evidence observed in the field of biology is consistent with a common designer.

My question is simple. Out of all of the multitude of ways that a designer could have designed life, why would this designer make it look like evolution?

For example, it takes a lot of extra effort and attention to make sure that life falls into a nested hierarchy. For this very reason, humans do not force their designs to fall into a nested hierarchy since there is absolutely no design reason why a nested hierarchy is needed. The common designer of bats and birds could have designed a species with flow through lungs and a membrane wing, or feathers and three middle ear bones. So why don't we see numerous and clear violations of a nested hierarchy that would have been simple for such a designer to produce?

Why make common design look exactly like evolution when it would have been easier to make it not look like evolution?

I beleive you have it backwards. God did not make His design look like evolution. No, evolutionists are using the footprints of creation to fabricate a story of evolution.

Evolution is one of the most intricate devices that Satan has ever inspired in man's mind to deflect from the existance of a creator. Satan is a liar and a deciever. He will produce enough truth to make sure you believe the lie. You will never know the difference in truth or fabrication and will not be able to prove either way.

When you truly have the faith to believe, your eyes will be opened and the truth of the creator is brighter than the lie and farce of the fabrication of Satan that we call evolution.

It all boils down to this. There is no creator, there must be an explanation, evolution is the explanation.

IF there is a creator, there is no need, whatsoever, for the belief in anything other than creation. Evolution becomes obsolete.

Satan wants evolution to be the explanation so that he can sell his lie of there being no need for a creator.

 

[Smidlee]

Congratulations you cited an article four years older than what I provided. Your article is relatively non descript, lacking in detail and only serves to strengthen the idea that there are no "living fossils" that show what you wish them to when the "living fossil" that most deserves the name has itself changed.

Your link to an evolutionist preacher who of course going to deny "living fossils" or the stasis of the fossil record. Even creationist believes in some variations in creatures. These variations have shown to act quickly to adapt to it's environment.

 

[Smidlee]

Better yet since you are so fond of links, read this Ezekiel's false prophecy about Tyre , then go ahead and continue ignoring that the prophecy was an utter failure.

From your article :
"The Evidence says that the baring of the rock was not fulfilled until the time of Alexander the Great despite the fact that the prophecy never hints that it meant anybody other than Neb would do it."
This is false
Ezekiel 26:3 " Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus and will cause many nations to come up against thee,....

 

[JacksBratt]

Explain this to me:

If there was no death until after sin, why was there a Tree of Life before sin? An immortal wouldn't need it. Did God want to set himself a challenge to see how fast he could eject Adam and Eve from the Garden before they ate of the Tree of Life?

I don't know why there was a tree of life in the garden of eden if there was no death before the fall.

I do know that the tree of life will also be in heaven.

There would have been no need for Adam and Eve to eat of this tree as there was no death. They are not told that they cannot eat of it but they are also not told that they must eat of it.

 

[JacksBratt]

What an amazing tool to preserve biblical inerranacy, that word "spiritual".

Adam ate the fruit, didn't die as God warned, but he died spiritually.

Ezekiel prophesied Tyre would never be rebuilt, it was rebuilt, but it was never rebuilt spiritually.

Have you never heard any state, after they have done something that is going to affect them or someone else, negatively in a huge way for the rest of their life... "I just died inside" or "I feel like I just died inside"..

This is the exact feeling that Adam and Eve must of had at the time of the fall. They hid from God, had shame. They died inside that day. Humanity was thrust into a world of hurt.

Surely, they died that day. Their hearts were still beating but the changes were earth shattering. They, now, would grow old, toil, suffer, and die. Their souls were damned. They could never do enough to attone for this act of disobedience.

I like to think that Adam and Eve had perfect heavenly bodies. The same as we will have in paradise. Then, when they ate of the forbidden fruit, they died and had corruptable bodies, like we have today.

Some have even aluded to the therory that Adam and Eve did not have blood in their bodies, before the fall. But, that they were bodies that functioned while being permiated by light. A living light of God. When they sinned, they were given blood.

I have not researched this theory but intend to... It's way out there for me right now.

 

[EternalDragon]

I don't know why there was a tree of life in the garden of eden if there was no death before the fall.

I do know that the tree of life will also be in heaven.

There would have been no need for Adam and Eve to eat of this tree as there was no death. They are not told that they cannot eat of it but they are also not told that they must eat of it.

It was for healing and health.

 

[justlookinla]

I think you should first point out where it was destroyed.

Ah, you deny it was destroyed. Well, in that case your text is wrong when it predicted it would be destroyed.

Ah, I think you should first point out where it was destroyed.

 

[justlookinla]

So if there was no death, and Adam and Eve didn't need it, what kind of God leaves something like that lying around? He had to post cherubim to keep them away from it, later. How about he not plant one from the gitgo? If I was writing a Bible, my sky daddy wouldn't plant a tree of life because I have a minimalist aesthetic.

There was sin and there was death.

And you wish to do nothing but bash Christians, God, Jesus and bible instead of staying on the topic of the room.....creationist/evolution.

 

[Zosimus]

You can get back to me when you figure out that "rebuilt" seems to be the most popular biblical translation. Tyre was rebuilt, bible said it wouldn't be. End of really. Of course let's see you figure out how to play another word game of "rebuilt doesn't mean rebuilt"

Well it clearly says ונתתיך לצחיח סלע משטח חרמים תהיה לא תבנה עוד כי אני יהוה דברתי נאם אדני יהוה׃ and I think anyone can see that the key phrase is also in the 13th verse, which reads: והשבתי המון שיריך וקול כנוריך לא ישמע עוד׃

So if verse 14 means not rebuilt why doesn't verse 13 mean not replayed? Obviously the verses are meant to be an example of parallelism. Who in his or her right mind would translate them in such a way as to destroy the parallelism?

Now you claim that the favorite translation is rebuilt, but again you have failed to provide any links to back up what you've said. My assumption is, therefore, that there are no links to back up your opinion and you're just pulling it out of your donkey. I, however, will provide you with a link at Ezekiel Chapter 26 - Parallel Hebrew Old Testament

KJV: built no more
American Standard: built no more
Bible in Basic English: building you up again
Darby's English: built no more
Douay Rheims: built any more
Noah Webster: built no more
World English: built no more
Young's Literal: not built up any more

In conclusion, I would say that rebuilt is not the most popular translation. In fact, I haven't found any translation that gives it as rebuilt so you'll have to provide me with a link.

 

[Linuxgal]

Here's a great idea. If you really want to understand the Bible (not that you do) maybe you should study Hebrew and Greek. Then you could read it in the original.

Why would I do that when I can just buy a translation created by English-speaking people who have already been educated in Hebrew and Greek? My field is gadgets, not Bronze Age texts.

 

[justlookinla]

Why would I do that when I can just buy a translation created by English-speaking people who have already been educated in Hebrew and Greek? My field is gadgets, not Bronze Age texts.

And this has what to do with creation/evolution?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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