Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath? (2)

[BrightCandle]

Here is something puzzling, the Ten Commandments Day Commision, is planning to have the first annual celebration (05.07.06) of the Ten Commandments on a Sunday! Would it not be biblical to have the celebration on a Saturday, to celebrate the Sabbath, which is the 4th Commandment?




http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/

 

[Cliff2]

Here is something puzzling, the Ten Commandments Day Commision, is planning to have the first annual celebration (05.07.06) of the Ten Commandments on a Sunday! Would it not be biblical to have the celebration on a Saturday, to celebrate the Sabbath, which is the 4th Commandment?




http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/

This is going to be a major issue for this group. They are going to have to decide what day of the week is the Sabbath.

On one hand they have the tradition of nearly 2,000 to go by to they can choose to follow the Bible.

This has been the question that this thread has attempted to answer now for the past well over 1,000 posts.

We are still waiting for a text that tells us that Sunday, which we all know as the first day of the week is the Sabbath.

Now this thread looks at the importance of keeping all the commandments not just nine of them.

 

[BrightCandle]

This is going to be a major issue for this group. They are going to have to decide what day of the week is the Sabbath.

On one hand they have the tradition of nearly 2,000 to go by to they can choose to follow the Bible.

This has been the question that this thread has attempted to answer now for the past well over 1,000 posts.

We are still waiting for a text that tells us that Sunday, which we all know as the first day of the week is the Sabbath.

Now this thread looks at the importance of keeping all the commandments not just nine of them.

You got that right!

 

[Cliff2]

You got that right!

I think it is a bit disppointing to think that no one will come out and give us the text that says Sunday is the Sabbath.

Most will agree to keep nine of the ten but very few will say that we must obey all the 10.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

We don't disregard Him. I don't know why you'd say we disregard Him.

We don't.

 

[Cliff2]

We don't disregard Him. I don't know why you'd say we disregard Him.

We don't.

To start with I never said that you disregard Him.

What I am saying is why would people worry about the ten commandments if they do not keep all of them.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

And all I am saying is that Jesus is our Sabbath rest (Heb. 4).

 

[ThreeAM]

And all I am saying is that Jesus is our Sabbath rest (Heb. 4).

If Jesus is the Sabbath why did he create a Sabbath at creation?

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

If Jesus is the Sabbath why did he create a Sabbath at creation?

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Because it, like the Mosaic injunction to observe the Sabbath were figures pointing forward to that rest Christ has won for us.

 

[ThreeAM]

Because it, like the Mosaic injunction to observe the Sabbath were figures pointing forward to that rest Christ has won for us.

There was NO SIN when Christ made the Sabbath.

 

[Wavy]

There was NO SIN when Christ made the Sabbath.

And in addition to this, the scripture does not say the sabbath was a shadow. It says the the sabbath (and eating and drinking and the moadim, and the new moon) are shadows of things to come.

Not to mention that Hebrews 4 does not say anything about Christ being a sabbath rest.

Hebrews 4 talks about a future rest promised (4:1) if "Today" we hear his (YHWH's) voice and be believing.

 

[ThreeAM]

And in addition to this, the scripture does not say the sabbath was a shadow. It says the the sabbath (and eating and drinking and the moadim, and the new moon) are shadows of things to come.

Not to mention that Hebrews 4 does not say anything about Christ being a sabbath rest.

Hebrews 4 talks about a future rest promised (4:1) if "Today" we hear his (YHWH's) voice and be believing.

True and Hebrews tells us what we should do to enter into that rest.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

How did God cease His from work?

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Cliff2]

Because it, like the Mosaic injunction to observe the Sabbath were figures pointing forward to that rest Christ has won for us.

Many people believe what you are saying to be Biblical and correct.

But we need to see where the Bible says it if it is so.

 

[wild01]

Passage Colossians 2:6-23:
6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


hmm interesting that paul lumps the sabbath right in with everything else that christ overcame for us. as i said before

If you want to observe the sabbath rest, more power to you, however if you want to try to say that it is still a command of God that His followers do no work from sundown friday to sundown saturday then all the other OT holy days and years also still apply along with every other law in the old testament,

If you want to judge others based on the keeping of the sabbath, you are in direct violation of scripture

 

[Cliff2]

Passage Colossians 2:6-23:
6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


hmm interesting that paul lumps the sabbath right in with everything else that christ overcame for us. as i said before If you want to judge others based on the keeping of the sabbath, you are in direct violation of scripture

Which verse in there is telling us to keep nine of the commandments and not the whole ten.

 

[wild01]

Which verse in there is telling us to keep nine of the commandments and not the whole ten.

mat 22
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

jc seems to think 2 is fine

 

[OObi]

mat 2236"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."jc seems to think 2 is fine

Where in this passage does it say "do these two commandments and forget the rest"?

 

[wild01]

Where in this passage does it say "do these two commandments and forget the rest"?

He says that all the law and the prophets are based on these 2

these are the spirit of all the laws.

and my original point was Paul tells us that we are not to judge people based on whether or not they keep the sabbath holy days or food/drink laws

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


the passage I quoted above clearly shows that it is not to be an issue.

 

[ThreeAM]

mat 22
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

jc seems to think 2 is fine

There are two great principles in the Ten Commandments

"Love the Lord with all you heart" ...the first 4 commandments hang on this principle.

"Love your neighbor as yourself"....the last 6 commandments hang of this principle.

Notice that Christ did not say these two principle replace the Ten Commandments but rather the Law depends on these principles or hang on them.

Rev 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The sinners in these verses [in blue] have violated the Ten Commandments.

 

[wild01]

original point Paul says Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

nice of you all to avoid this point, maybe Paul is in rebellion in this passage.