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Why were the Disciples So Faithless?
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Smidlee
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The disciples are like us who sometimes likes to trust in our own intellect and ability than to put our faith in God. The disciples faith were stronger than those around them. When the multitude was offended by Jesus teachings the disciples were the only ones still around. They didn't have a problem accepting Jesus miracles it was Jesus teachings that they reject.
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That would seem to discount the value of the miracles. Why would some one just tag along for a full belly after witnessing the power required to still a storm?
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Only the 12 witness the power of stilling the storm. Also Jesus was not acting as a human but actually 100% man. Because he was 100% human they sometimes forgot He was also 100% God. In Mark 4:37-41 revealed this. His disciples woke and ask Jesus "Master, carest thou not that we perish?" The storm can sometimes make us forget God is above the storm. In verse 39 "and he arose, and rebuke the wind, and said unto the sea, "Peace, be still." And the wind ceased and there was a great calm. Verse 40 and he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?" He is not referring to "faith" in miracles but faith in Him. In Verse 41 "and they feared exceedingly, ... " Why were they so fearful? Because Jesus didn't do what they excepted him to do. They didn't expect Jesus to clam the storm they expected Jesus to help them to row to shore.
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From that point of view, it may be possible this was part of the mechanism to make sure His disciples did not die with Him.
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In the chronology of the miracles, where does that one occur? Were there previous miracles to that which should have inspired their faith to believe he could have stilled a storm. After stilling the storm there certainly should not have been any doubt after that. Would you not agree?
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Pentecost is an event in history when the Spirit came, not an identity. Before the coming of the Spirit those disciples were cowering behind locked doors. With the coming of the Spirit they boldly went out and changed the world. It was the Spirit of Christ in them who made everything of eternal value that they accomplished possible….just as it is for all Christians today.
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That did not seem to be anything to worry about since none of them cared to join him anyway.
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I have been reading as much as I can. I see where the Pentacost was prophesied by Joel and spoken of by Peter during the event. Did Jesus ever clearly refer to this event other than through the founding of the church upon Peter? And was the coming of the holy spirit foretold or expected?
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“If you love Me, you will keep My commands. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever. He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive Him because it doesn’t see Him or know Him. But you do know Him, because He remains with you and will be in you....
"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit—the Father will send Him in My name—will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you....
“When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father—He will testify about Me....
"Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don’t go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send Him to you. When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment....
When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is Mine and declare it to you." -- John 15, 16
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Maybe the miracles were a little exaggerated. It took Pharaoh how many Plagues to change his mind and let the Israelites go?
Maybe seeing him after he was dead, was enough to confirm their thoughts. It was also the telling factor in converting others. Which is very important.
IMO if he could of got off the cross in front of them and the Romans, that would of been a crowning moment and converted a lot more people faster.
Maybe seeing him after he was dead, was enough to confirm their thoughts. It was also the telling factor in converting others. Which is very important.
IMO if he could of got off the cross in front of them and the Romans, that would of been a crowning moment and converted a lot more people faster.
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You asked the question "I have been reading as much as I can. I see where the Pentacost was prophesied by Joel and spoken of by Peter during the event. Did Jesus ever clearly refer to this event other than through the founding of the church upon Peter? And was the coming of the holy spirit foretold or expected?"
I gave you the verses in which Jesus described the coming and purpose of the Holy Spirit and why the disciples should have been expecting Him.
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