Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessings]

The Ten Commandments were laws written by God himself.

The Ten Commandments are apart of the mosaic laws the basis of the mosaic laws but separate from the mosaic laws.

Ceremonial laws such as rituals, purities priesthood, sacrifices, festivals, High/special Sabbath, (which is separate from The Seventh-Day Sabbath of God's commandment) and civil and judicial laws are the laws the gentiles may not be subject to.

God said remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

And to say that we're no longer under the law of the Sabbath you might as well say we are no longer under any of the Ten Commandments. To deny one is to deny all.

And if you want to refer to the new Commandments that is translated Jesus gave; those two Commandments are directly linked to the Ten Commandments: loving God, which is the first four of the Ten Commandments and loving your neighbor, which is the next six. They are not truly new Commandments, just shortened and simplified.

God knew what would happen, that man would change his Seventh-Day Sabbath to the first day, thus he said remember!

And let's not forget Hebrew Israelite Jews were supposed to be an example to all people of the Earth, decreed by God.

Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations

Walter Kaiser Jr., President Emeritus of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, wrote Mission in the Old Testament to challenge the idea that mission is a New Testament development and that Israel was involved in mission only centripetally, that is, attracting people to Yahweh by living out their...

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Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations - The Gospel Coalition Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations

Amen!

 

[jonojim1337]

Historical context. The mosaic law was given 430 years after Abraham.

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 3:16-17 (NASB2020) - Now the promises were spoken to Abr | YouVersion

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. Wha

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This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.

Hebrews 8:13

 

[truthuprootsevil]

The Christian Sabbath is not a day of the Julian calendar or what have you. This is irrelevant.



No, it’s not. It was fulfilled when Christ died, as that was the terms of the covenant and the parties involved.

The promise to Abraham was not related to either the circumcision or the covenant. It was just that, a promise.

People choose what is irrelevant to them.

Lack of understanding, being fulfilled doesn't mean it is not still operating.
Did not Christ choose to come through the lineage of Abraham? Is it not the lineage of Abraham that is a blessing to All Nations through Christ his lineage even till now and his return.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

No. The early church worshipped on Sunday not Saturday as it was the day our Lord was resurrected. There is plenty of patriarchal evidence as early as the first century.

The early churches held meetings in their homes, it wasn't even called Church. and as written in the book of Acts Paul kept the 7th Day Sabbath.
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on the Sabbath he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

Acts 13:44-14:7 KJV - And the next sabbath day came almost - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13:44-14:7 - King James Version

When Rome established its EARLY churches, the Sabbath was changed from the 7th to the first day. After all the first day was the day of worship for Rome for their beliefs, during the persecution of the followers of Christ.

Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

 

[jonojim1337]

People choose what is irrelevant to them.

Lack of understanding, being fulfilled doesn't mean it is not still operating.
Did not Christ choose to come through the lineage of Abraham? Is it not the lineage of Abraham that is a blessing to All Nations through Christ his lineage even till now and his return.

You mean, In your seed shall all nations be blessed, meaning one, and not many? The seed which was prophecied from the beginning?

 

[truthuprootsevil]

You mean, In your seed shall all nations be blessed, meaning one, and not many? The seed which was prophecied from the beginning?

If you want to define all nations as one nation, go right ahead, have God given right to accept or deny what is written as it is written.

One seed, the seed of Abraham meaning all of his offspring, which when God changed Jacob's name to Israel that entire nation became the known as the Israelites. And through the seed of Abraham the Israelites came to be and through the Israelites Jesus was born and is a blessing to ALL Nations from the SEED of Abraham as written.

 

[jonojim1337]

If you want to define all nations as one nation, go right ahead, have God given right to accept or deny what is written as it is written.

One seed, the seed of Abraham meaning all of his offspring, which when God changed Jacob's name to Israel that entire nation became the known as the Israelites. And through the seed of Abraham the Israelites came to be and through the Israelites Jesus was born and is a blessing to ALL Nations from the SEED of Abraham as written.

I have no problem with you worshipping my family but that is not how it’s written or prophecied.

 

[Hentenza]

This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.

Hebrews 8:13

Are you actually arguing that the Mosaic law including the 10 commandments was given to Abraham and not to Moses?

 

[Jerry N.]

Galatians 3:29: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Everyone in Christ through faith is a spiritual descendant of Abraham. It could not be clearer.

 

[Hentenza]

The early churches held meetings in their homes, it wasn't even called Church.

Although the new Christian church began meeting in houses the church progressively grew beyond the house setting meeting in larger venues. The early church was indeed called church as evidenced by the use of ekklesia which appears 118 times in the NT.

Here are some examples.

“And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 18:17 (NASB2020) - And if he refuses to listen to them | YouVersion

And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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“This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭32‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 5:32 (NASB2020) - This mystery is great; but I am spe | YouVersion

This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

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“From Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and called to himself the elders of the church.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 20:17 (NASB2020) - From Miletus he sent word to Ephesu | YouVersion

From Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and called to himself the elders of the church.

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and as written in the book of Acts Paul kept the 7th Day Sabbath.
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

Acts 13:44-14:7 KJV - And the next sabbath day came almost - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13:44-14:7 - King James Version

Jesus and the Apostles did indeed go to the temple on the Jewish sabbath. Jesus ministry initially was to preach to the Jews and Jesus was indeed a Jew so He followed the law to perfection. It wasn’t until the Jews rejected the Messiah that His ministry shifted to the gentiles. Even after Jesus was crucified and resurrected the Apostles continued to evangelize the Jews which required them to go to where the Jews gathered which was the temple during the sabbath. Paul even explains his reasoning in 1 Cor. 9.

When Rome established its EARLY churches, the Sabbath was changed from the 7th to the first day. After all the first day was the day of worship for Rome for their beliefs, during the persecution of the followers of Christ ceased.

Rome did not established any of the churches depicted in the NT. The epistles were sent to churches planted by the apostles. The early church in Rome was just that, a gathering of Christian that lived in Rome. The church in Jerusalem, where Pentecost took place, had much more authority during biblical times. Even the first council (Acts 15) occurred in Jerusalem not Rome. The Church of Rome’s authority became merely positional given its location in the capital of the Roman Empire until the 4th century.

Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

You might want to read your link. It doesn’t follow your reasoning above.

 

[Hentenza]

Galatians 3:29: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Everyone in Christ through faith is a spiritual descendant of Abraham. It could not be clearer.

But that it not the claim. The claim is that the Mosaic law was given to Abraham not Moses. So if that is what you are arguing then post the book and verse where that happened.

 

[Studyman]

In other words your argument is from silence. Got it.

NO sir, LOL, you have not "Got it".

Your argument sir, is built on silence.

For me God isn't Silent at all. He said, "Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

For men to preach that God gave Abraham's Children in Egypt, different Judgments, definition of Justice and the "Way of the Lord" God knew Abraham would command to his children when he was alive, is absurd, and based on nothing that is written in Scriptures at all. In fact it is the opposite of what is known of God through the Holy Scriptures. I posted God's Own Words on the matter for review and discussion, but you refused to even acknowledge them.

While it is true that God Added a Priesthood Law that Abraham didn't have as it is written, God's Definition of Good, Holy and Just has never changed, as is also written. This is why Jesus said "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

I have not been silent, my argument is not based on silence but be considering "every Word" of God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs.. Just because a man refuses to hear or consider God's Word given to him, doesn't mean God is silent.

My guess is that their are others reading this thread, that understand the point the Scriptures are making here.

 

[Hentenza]

NO sir, LOL, you have not "Got it".

Your argument sir, is built on silence.

For me God isn't Silent at all. He said, "Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

It’s really quite simple. Which laws, commandments, or statutes did Abraham keep? Book and verse please.

 

[Studyman]

But that it not the claim. The claim is that the Mosaic law was given to Abraham not Moses. So if that is what you are arguing then post the book and verse where that happened.

Again, as the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches. A Little leaven, defined as a "little deception" leavens, or deceives the whole body. The Laws, Statutes and Commandments God gave to Abraham, were "GODS COMMANDMENTS", Not Abraham's Commandments. In like manner, the Laws, commandments and Statutes God gave to Noah, were God's Commandments, not Noah's commandments. The same truth applies to God throughout the Holy Scriptures. The Laws, Statutes and Commandments God gave to Israel, were God's Commandments, not Moses Commandments. Moses didn't create even ONE Statute, Judgment, Commandment or Law. A religion whose foundation doesn't include this undeniable Biblical Fact, needs to be questioned, as we are also instructed to do.

 

[Hentenza]

Again, as the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches. A Little leaven, defined as a "little deception" leavens, or deceives the whole body. The Laws, Statutes and Commandments God gave to Abraham, were "GODS COMMANDMENTS", Not Abraham's Commandments. In like manner, the Laws, commandments and Statutes God gave to Noah, were God's Commandments, not Noah's commandments. The same truth applies to God throughout the Holy Scriptures. The Laws, Statutes and Commandments God gave to Israel, were God's Commandments, not Moses Commandments. Moses didn't create even ONE Statute, Judgment, Commandment or Law. A religion whose foundation doesn't include this undeniable Biblical Fact, needs to be questioned, as we are also instructed to do.

There are verses that tell us exactly which commandments God gave to Noah. There are verses that tell us exactly which commandments God gave Abraham. There are verses that tell us exactly which commandments God gave Israel. There are verses that tell us exactly which commandments Jesus gave His church. So it should be simple for you to post the verses showing which commandments, laws, and statutes Abraham kept.

 

[Studyman]

It’s really quite simple. Which laws, commandments, or statutes did Abraham keep? Book and verse please.

I just posted God's Own Words in which HE Himself told you what Laws, Commandments and Statutes Abraham obeyed. They were God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes. There are "many" who "Come in Christ's Name" that preach God didn't Give His Laws, Commandments and Statutes to Abraham. But according to Scripture, as anyone who cares to believe in this God can see, it is clear God gave His Laws to Abraham, and also to Abraham's Children when they had lost sight of them in Egypt.

If you want to know about God's Laws, you can go to the Holy Scriptures, and find them recorded by His Chosen Servants, Moses and the Prophets. There are many who refuse to hear them, so Jesus, to prepare me for them, had a parable written specifically for this circumstance.

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not" Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Thank you Lord Jesus, for your guidance in this cursed world.

 

[Hentenza]

I just posted God's Own Words in which HE Himself told you what Laws, Commandments and Statutes Abraham obeyed.

So then post God’s own words telling us which laws, commandments, and statutes Abraham kept. The statement you posted does not identify which ones.

They were God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes. There are "many" who "Come in Christ's Name" that preach God didn't Give His Laws, Commandments and Statutes to Abraham. But according to Scripture, as anyone who cares to believe in this God can see, it is clear God gave His Laws to Abraham, and also to Abraham's Children when they had lost sight of them in Egypt.

If you want to know about God's Laws, you can go to the Holy Scriptures, and find them recorded by His Chosen Servants, Moses and the Prophets. There are many who refuse to hear them, so Jesus, to prepare me for them, had a parable written specifically for this circumstance.

The scriptures are also clear when the Noahic law was given to Noah and what it contained. The scriptures are clear about when the covenant of circumcision was given to Abraham and what it contained. The scriptures are also clear about when the Mosaic law was given to Moses and what it contained. So which laws, commandments, and statutes were given to Abraham?

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not" Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Abraham, before his death, knew clearly that they would not hear Moses or the prophets. Abraham never said for them to hear his law. If it is the same law then why would Abraham point them to Moses?

Thank you Lord Jesus, for your guidance in this cursed world.

Amen.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

I have no problem with you worshipping my family but that is not how it’s written or prophecied.

Do you have a problem?

Where did you even come up with worshiping your family or any family.

Yes you do

 

[truthuprootsevil]

Although the new Christian church began meeting in houses the church progressively grew beyond the house setting meeting in larger venues. The early church was indeed called church as evidenced by the use of ekklesia which appears 118 times in the NT.

Here are some examples.

“And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 18:17 (NASB2020) - And if he refuses to listen to them | YouVersion

And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

bible.com

“This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭32‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 5:32 (NASB2020) - This mystery is great; but I am spe | YouVersion

This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

bible.com

“From Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and called to himself the elders of the church.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 20:17 (NASB2020) - From Miletus he sent word to Ephesu | YouVersion

From Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and called to himself the elders of the church.

bible.com

Jesus and the Apostles did indeed go to the temple on the Jewish sabbath. Jesus ministry initially was to preach to the Jews and Jesus was indeed a Jew so He followed the law to perfection. It wasn’t until the Jews rejected the Messiah that His ministry shifted to the gentiles. Even after Jesus was crucified and resurrected the Apostles continued to evangelize the Jews which required them to go to where the Jews gathered which was the temple during the sabbath. Paul even explains his reasoning in 1 Cor. 9.



Rome did not established any of the churches depicted in the NT. The epistles were sent to churches planted by the apostles. The early church in Rome was just that, a gathering of Christian that lived in Rome. The church in Jerusalem, where Pentecost took place, had much more authority during biblical times. Even the first council (Acts 15) occurred in Jerusalem not Rome. The Church of Rome’s authority became merely positional given its location in the capital of the Roman Empire until the 4th century.

You might want to read your link. It doesn’t follow your reasoning above.

If voice typing made an error in spelling I will proofread and correct it other than that what I wrote does have reasoning maybe not to you.

The origins and use of the word 'church' | Church & Ministries The origins and use of the word 'church'

Maybe you'll understand Rome establish the first building that is called the NEW TESTAMENT REFERS TO AS churches.

The seven churches written of in Revelations that sat on the seven hills Rome.

Much of the named churches Paul wrote to Thessalonia, Galatians became a part of the Roman province, Ephesus one of Rome's major ports, Philippi.

Thank you and goodbye.

 

[Hentenza]

If voice typing made an error in spelling I will proofread and correct it other than that what I wrote does have reasoning maybe not to you.

I did not see any spelling errors. I meant that the information in the link you provided did not back up what you said.

The origins and use of the word 'church' | Church & Ministries The origins and use of the word 'church'

Yes but it also meant house of the Lord which is why I chose those specific three verses because they refer to the Christian church.

Maybe you'll understand Rome establish the first building that is called the NEW TESTAMENT REFERS TO AS churches.

Which building was that?

The seven churches written of in Revelations that sat on the seven hills Rome.

The seven churches depicted in Revelation 1 are all located in modern day Turkey not Rome.

Much of the named churches Paul wrote to Thessalonia, Galatians became a part of the Roman province, Ephesus one of Rome's major ports, Philippi.

Non were part of Rome during biblical times. They were not established by Rome.

Thank you and goodbye.

Be blessed