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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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The path of disobedience is denying Christ. Which is what the Jews were/are doing. They were keeping the shadow of the Law, not the commandments of God, which is faith in Christ.

Christ is mentioned in the first chapters of the Bible. There has never been a time when Christ was not preached. Paul is making this painstakingly clear. They perished because of lack of faith in Christ.
 
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Trying to interpret Hebrews 4 from a NT perspective one will get totally lost and come to the wrong conclusion.
Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.
 
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And no I didn’t add anything. You wrote yourself:

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God enter His rest? On the seventh day. When do we enter the same rest? On the acceptable day of the Lord.
 
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Disobedience is breaking the commandments and sinning1John3:4 James2:11- anyone can say Lord Lord Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-48 but our actions shows if our faith is genuine or not.
 
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It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day, it says “he” who has enter God’s rest also ceased from his works as God did on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there
 
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It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day. It says God ceased from His works on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there

That’s exactly the same Ceasing from work is taking a rest
 
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That’s exactly the same Ceasing from work is taking a rest
Its two different meanings in God's rest there is no disobedience, just peace Isa48:18 why those enter do so by faith and they obey God. Heb4:2,6

Those who enter also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

But believe as you wish. All I am doing is trying to help with the warning in this passage is trying to tell us, if one wishes not to hear it Heb3:7-19 Psa95:7-14 like those who came before us we are told not to follow Heb4:11, well that will get sorted out in God's time.
 
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There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works

I’m telling you, the commandment is to have faith in Christ as Lord of lords and King of kings. This is how we enter God’s rest - the Seventh day on which he rested. If you keep the commandments of the Law and miss this part, you are, basically, committing idolatry and defiling the Sabbath.
 
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So here is a puzzle for you:

In what day did the thief on the cross enter paradise? Christ clearly said, “today”, and yet, it was the day before the Sabbath. Or was it? Did the women who came after enter the Sabbath by their works, or by their faith? Will their works count to them as righteousness, or their faith?
 
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That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies. The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that
seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.
 
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There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works
You keep conflating works of the Law and physical and economic labor. You are also conflating resting in God’s salvation and resting from labor. This was pointed out before. You are also missing the idea in Exodus that the Israelites were freed from the yoke of slavery in Egypt. Resting from labor is a sign of that freedom. If you are a slave to your employer and forced to work on Saturday, or if you are a slave to debt (bonded laborer), you may have to work on Saturday, but you are not free.
 
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What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest.
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Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.
Exactly
 
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That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I was simply pointing out that Peter and Jesus' teaches that God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. You know this you say, but still teach a different gospel.

I think Jesus warned His People not to do such things.

I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

This would be those who called Jesus Lord, Lord, and were "very much aware" of what Jesus and Peter taught, but lived by another gospel, Yes?


I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

Here, let me show you the words of someone who claims they no longer need Him. "That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him."

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies.

Well it's for sure someone's "theology is riddled with inconsistencies".

The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

There are lots of folks who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who claim to be the very elect. Paul warned that the Law and Prophets was written specifically for our admonition, the "our" here being those who "by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". (Rom. 2:7)

He specifically pointed out who needs to take heed.

Wherefore let him that "thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

I don't believe Paul was "twisting Gods Word upside down" here, any more than I believe Peter was lying to us when HE told us who God gives His Holy Spirit to.

But clearly there are many "who come in Christ's Name" that imply in their theology that they did.


Again, you are promoting a religious philosophy taught to you by this world's religious system. If you were to actually read Paul's Words, and David's words that Paul quoted, you would find out who Paul and David were speaking to in this description.

If you were "Seeking the Righteousness of God", as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, you would go to Psalms 5 and 14, and you would read Rom. 3 and see that Paul and David are speaking to those men who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. Men that falsely accused Paul and the Body of Christ, "whose damnation is just". Men who "professed to know God, but were wicked, bloody and deceitful men". Men who God said, "who eat up my people as they eat bread", and "have shamed the counsel of the poor because the LORD is his refuge."

God can not be found in these people, rather, "God is in the generation of the righteous."

Your teaching that there isn't any difference between the children of the devil, and the Body of Christ is astounding, and yet this is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, "who calls Jesus Lord, Lord".

Paul asks the question, "What then? are we better than they?"

In other words, can I live by the same disobedience to God, engage in the same false accusations of others like the Pharisees, and not be judged the same by God? He answered, "No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

And where did Paul "already Prove" this?

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every" soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul didn't say, "We are all under sin". You say Paul and the Body of Christ are still under sin, but Paul didn't.

As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

The preaching that God's Word teaches that Paul and the Body of Christ's "throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes" is an evil and wicked teaching. It is not true according to Paul's own words, David never promoting such wickedness, and the entire Bible exposes such a teaching as from below and not above.

Men don't "Seek God", as you don't by your own admission and neither did the Pharisees, for the same reason. Both have been convinced by "other voices" that they are all set, already heirs to the Kingdom of God, already the very elect, that "they shall surely not die". But the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "shall be saved"."

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them that diligently seek him".

So yes, I diligently Seek Him every day.
 
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