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Agreed on the Sabbath, from one Sabbath to another. I typically go to church from one Sabbath to another, I do not go to church daily. The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev23:3 like we see with Jesus and the apostles Luke4:16 Acts13:44 Acts18:4 , what continues on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa66:23 but instead of through spirit, His saints will gather before Him. Amen!I didn’t say daily. I said weekly. And that is what He said.
I go to church on Sundays, on the Lord’s day. But I worship God everyday.Agreed on the Sabbath, from one Sabbath to another. I typically go to church from one Sabbath to another, I do not go to church daily.
That’s a choice, but the Lords Day according to God’s own words is the Sabbath. Isa58:13, what Jesus is Lord of Mat2:28 (not the first day). God never once said any other day was His holy day except for the Sabbath, He called it the holy day, meaning there is only one, why the Sabbath continues forever Isa66:23, not the day man assigned to God, He said was for work and labors Exo20:9I go to church on Sundays, on the Lord’s day. But I worship God everyday.
Nope. You are making that up. Wrong interpretation.
I go to church on Sundays, on the Lord’s day. But I worship God everyday.
Not according to Jesus. I rest in Him.That’s a choice, but the Lords Day according to God’s own words is the Sabbath.
Those who rest in Him, also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11, why God spoke of the seventh day in this way Exo20:1 Exo20:8-11 becuase God’s people keep God’s commandments, His version, not mans.Not according to Jesus. I rest in Him.
Not really. People read and interpret with the idea of defending their pet doctrines. Most have no clue how to eisegete a verse.Scripture speaks for itself and interprets itself.
Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. The early church knew that it was to celebrate the resurrection day not the day that Jesus was still dead.Nowhere in scripture does it say that Sunday is the Lord's day.
And you are still to post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the sabbath or a verse that teaches that the law was given to the gentiles. Until then your argument dies on its lack of evidence.We are getting into things we have already previously discussed. I am going to leave it as agree to disagree and it will get sorted out in God’s time.
Personally I would be more concerned where is the verse that the God of the Universe told us we don’t have to keep the Sabbath commandment. What God blessed, man can’t reverse. Num 23:20 because man is not God Jesus never once said He changed the Sabbath before or after the Cross, He said not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law Mat5:18-19 yet alone an entire commandment. Jesus was on earth 40 days before ascending back to heaven, never once did He say He changed the Sabbath. We were warned this change would come but not from God Dan7:25And you are still to post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the sabbath or a verse that teaches that the law was given to the gentiles. Until then your argument dies on its lack of evidence.
Amen.
In fact He tells Cain in Gen 4 "sin is at your door , you must master it" before Cain kills Able and before we find the scripture saying "you shall not murder'"
Not really. People read and interpret with the idea of defending their pet doctrines. Most have no clue how to eisegete a verse.
Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. The early church knew that it was to celebrate the resurrection day not the day that Jesus was still dead.
Abraham was marred to his half sister. Genesis 12:5 According to the law Deuteronomy 27:5 & 22 Leviticus 18:9 Leviticus 20:17 Ezekiel 22:11 Abraham also committed adultery with Sarahs handmade to give birth to Ishmael. There were no law of Noah, it’s not in the scriptures. This fellow who says there is has dreamt them up in his own carnal mind. The Ten Commandments and law of Moses were completely unknown to everyone before Moses just as Moses said, but this fellow has like the vast majority does, make things up the defy scripture.Actually God did, as it has been shown to "Every Creature under heaven", (According to Paul) and it is written down as God Himself inspired, in the Oracles of God that HE has provided for you, in His Mercy and Loving kindness, directly into your own home even now. And Paul said there is no excuse for you or me or Cain or Sodom, " Because that "which may be known of God" is manifest in us; for God hath shewed it unto us." Just as HE showed it to them.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their "unlawful" deeds
The deceiver would have us believe in the ridiculous and foolish philosophy that "Godliness" in Noah's Time was different than "Godliness" in Moses time. That "Unlawful deeds" in Abraham's Time was different than "Unlawful Deeds" in Moses time.
That somehow Noah was a preacher of Righteousness that didn't include God's Righteousness that the Pharisees refused to submit to..
This is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And you can also find this teaching on the internet which some believe is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. I personally don't believe the Spirit of God dwells in man made machines, but you are free to believe so if you wish, we all have the free will to choose who to believe.
But even a child can see that Abraham was given God's commandments, Statutes, Judgments and Laws, according to what is written. So these can not have been added 430 years after Abraham. But a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for forgiveness of transgressions "of God's Laws, statute and Judgments", Till the High Priest of God "To whom the promise was made" should come, was most certainly "ADDED" after Abraham given Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's time.
Why did you completely ignore or refuse to even acknowledge this Added "LAW"? Is it because your computer doesn't teach you to live by Every word of God??
First, can you show me a Commandment of God given to Noah before the Ark, that took 120 years to build, was being loaded? You said there were "Noahic Laws" that were later codified by God through Moses. What are the "Laws of Noah" you claim God commanded, and when does God give Noah these Commandments?
There was no commandment enumerated that said "The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness."
And yet it is written;
Gen. 9: 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
So where is this "LAW of Noah", Commanded by God and later codified by God through Moses?
Can you show me where God enumerated these Laws to Noah? Or rather, can your computer post where these "7 Commandments" of the "Laws of Noah" were codified into Law during Noah's Time?
It's interesting how Abraham, Moses, the Prophets, Jesus, nor any of the Apostles of Christ made even ONE Mention, anywhere in the entire Bible, about the "Laws of Noah".
Yet you claim your computer does.
What if Paul is actually speaking the truth about God's Laws, being blessed with the Spirit of God, and it's your computer that is leading you astray?
Certainly something to consider.
GALATIANS 3:16-18 THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS PLAINLY THAT THE LAW WAS GIVEN 430 YEAR AFTER ABRAHAM AND THE LAW LAW HAD NO EFFECT ON THE COVENANT GOD GAVE TO ABRAHAM. This fellow who says differently is apparently unable to see this. Let him alone, he is not worth the bother.In context:
Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.
"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).
Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Abraham was marred to his half sister. Genesis 12:5 According to the law Deuteronomy 27:5 & 22 Leviticus 18:9 Leviticus 20:17 Ezekiel 22:11
Abraham also committed adultery with Sarahs handmade to give birth to Ishmael.
There were no law of Noah, it’s not in the scriptures. This fellow who says there is has dreamt them up in his own carnal mind.
The Ten Commandments and law of Moses were completely unknown to everyone before Moses just as Moses said,
but this fellow has like the vast majority does, make things up the defy scripture.
No. The main reason why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath is because He is Lord if everything else. Notice the word “also” used in your translation. The Greek word Kai could be cumulative and translate as also or even. The context here begins in verse 23. Jesus was accused of picking heads of grain from the fields by the Pharisees. Jesus in turn tells the the story if David eating the consecrated bread reserved for the priests because he was hungry. Both Jesus and His disciples had the same practical need that David had, they were hungry. Doing good during the sabbath was good not bad as the Pharisees made it to be.In context:
Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.
Nope. The early church did not change the day, Jesus did. The early church knew that the law did not apply to the church and that Jesus was the sabbath rest."The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).
Nothing here about the sabbath. Think about what follows the verses you posted. Those that preach the law are blind guides of blind people.Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).
If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.
The context of what laws Christ is referring to is established in v17, saying "the law and the prophets," which is an all-inclusive term rather than one that isolates a subset. In this context (same verse), Christ says "I have not come to abolish them [the law and the prophets] but to fulfill them [the law and the prophets]" How we understand Christ having fulfilled a specific subset of laws, like circumcision or the sacrifice, should extend to the whole as is the context.Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The commandments Jesus is referring to is directly from the Ten Commandments and quotes two as the whole law He is referring, as they always came in a unit of Ten according to God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 breaking one we break them all even in the NC James2:10-11
If people are obeying Moses instead of Jesus, then Jesus is not Lord in their lives.
No because the next verse speaks of a law that not a jot or tittle can pass from.The context of what laws Christ is referring to is established in v17, saying "the law and the prophets," which is an all-inclusive term rather than one that isolates a subset.
Jesus said;
Matt. 22: 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Both of these Commandments were given by Moses to mankind, being directed to do so by the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, the God and Father of all, and Jesus said I am to "Observe and Do" them. (Matt. 23:1,2).
The deceiver would have us believe "Moses" created Commandments, and that we are not to obey him. But this is a false teaching. The Laws given by Moses came from the Very Mouth of God. The Jesus "of the Bible" says clearly that we are "Live by" every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Refusing to "do" as Jesus instructs, would be in direct violation of the Commandments set forth by the Lord's Christ Himself.
Paul teaches this as well.
Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present" your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable "unto God", which is "your reasonable service".
2 And be not conformed to this world: (Including it's religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, "that ye may prove" what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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