Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

SabbathBlessings · Nov 25, 2024

ozso said:
Has the rest of Christianity interpreted Hebrews 4:8 the same as SDA does over the last 2000 years? If not then it's an interpretation exclusive to a sect that started in the mid 19th century.

As a FYI just because one claims to be SDA, does not mean they speak for SDA's as it is in this case. The way this poster interprets Heb 4:8 and other scriptures is not how SDA's interpret them.

Leaf473 · Nov 25, 2024

Matthew 5 You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can’t be hidden. 15 Neither do you light a lamp and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house

Big question about the Sabbath and believers throughout history

Was it only the very early believers that were the light of the world? Did Jesus light a lantern and then allow evil people to put a bucket over it?

The passage continues Even so, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven

Bob S · Nov 25, 2024

HIM said:
You posted with out quoting or tagging anyone.

Sorry Him, once again you are wrong. Here is a post I tagged you and others:

Him, SB, and other Sabbath observers, you seem to believe we all must be Sabbath observant, the one given to only one nation on Earth, why isn't there one word from God instructing Gentiles that we have to observe the old covenant Sabbath? God gave the Israelites instructions as how to observe the day. There were Sabbath instructions that involved the priesthood, so it is impossible to use the instructions given to Israel. God has not set up a priesthood like the Israelites had. If Gentiles are supposed to observe it too, where do we find alternative instruction.

I am wondering why all my previous posts on the subject have been ignored?

HIM said:
And It was answered. Over and over again.

No, it has never been answered. Why can't you be truthful and either show us where God has ever demanded Gentiles to observe a day. If you cannot produce some text with such demands, then you and others that say you keep the Sabbath have no right to try to impose your Sabbath keeping made-up beliefs on others.

HIM · Nov 25, 2024

Bob S said:
Him, SB, and other Sabbath observers, you seem to believe we all must be Sabbath observant, the one given to only one nation on Earth,

That is not a tag. There is no link to me to notify me. I got no notification.

I don’t read post that are just posted without quoting someone typically. Especially if they are more than a sentence or two.

HIM · Nov 25, 2024

Bob S said:
No, it has never been answered. Why can't you be truthful

Commentary on Heb 4 and Matt 20 have been posted numerous times.

Bob S · Nov 25, 2024

HIM said:
Commentary on Heb 4 and Matt 20 have been posted numerous times.

Heb 4 is written to Jews. There is not one verse in the entire chapter that would indicate the God has demanded Gentiles to observe Sabbath. Please explain where in Matt 20 where God tells Gentiles to observe the Sabbath. Have I missed something? Below is the chapter for you to find something that would indicate that Gentiles have been instructed to observe the Sabbath.

20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

Jesus Predicts His Death a Third Time

17 Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”

A Mother’s Request

20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.

21 “What is it you want?” he asked.

She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”

22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”

“We can,” they answered.

23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

24 When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Two Blind Men Receive Sight

29 As Jesus and his disciples were leaving Jericho, a large crowd followed him. 30 Two blind men were sitting by the roadside, and when they heard that Jesus was going by, they shouted, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

31 The crowd rebuked them and told them to be quiet, but they shouted all the louder, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

32 Jesus stopped and called them. “What do you want me to do for you?” he asked.

33 “Lord,” they answered, “we want our sight.”

34 Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they received their sight and followed him.

HIM · Nov 25, 2024

Bob S said:
Heb 4 is written to Jews

There is neither Jew nor gentile.

Minister Monardo · Nov 25, 2024

trophy33 said:
Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

The Jews observed the Sabbath but failed to enter God's Rest.
This is the Logos behind the commandment.
Hebrews 4:
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,
any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached
did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath,
if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, if they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remained that some must enter therein, and they to whom
it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, today, after so long a time as it is said,
"Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.

So now we can define the Sabbath as the Logos interprets, and Jesus taught the people.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

John 5:
15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because
He had done these things on the Sabbath.
17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

HIM said:
There has always been a Sabbath keeping people in God's church.

Such as?

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

Bob S said:
Please explain where in Matt 20 where God tells Gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Sorry it is Matt 24 where Jesus expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath until His return to gather the elect

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
Such as?

The information is out there. You can start here , it seems unbiased.

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

HIM said:
The information is out there. You can start here , it seems unbiased.

You made the statement that there's always been a Sabbath keeping people in God's church. So I'm asking you, not a PDF I presume you didn't write, such as?

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

Mr. M said:
For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

As God did from His is a direct comparison. God ceased, stop working on the Seventh Day. So we who have entered into his rest which is the Gospel, cease from our work. The ceasing from work is physical not spiritual. God did not enter a spiritual rest. He is Spirit and He is our Spiritual rest through Christ. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. He ceased, stop working. So we who have entered into His Rest, which is the Gospel cease from our daily work. But now through the Rest. the Gospel of Christ we can keep it holy. If we heed to His voice.

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
You made the statement that there's always been a Sabbath keeping people in God's church. So I'm asking you, not a PDF I presume you didn't write, such as?

Look for yourself or not.

I am not going to cut and paste and reference it when you can read the source yourself. Which one should do even if I was inclined.

There others resources out there also. Have fun.

Take care.

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
You made the statement that there's always been a Sabbath keeping people in God's church. So I'm asking you, not a PDF I presume you didn't write, such as?

SabbathBlessings said:
As a FYI just because one claims to be SDA, does not mean they speak for SDA's as it is in this case. The way this poster interprets Heb 4:8 and other scriptures is not how SDA's interpret them.

Yes, I picked up on that. From now on I'll just say Sabbatarian. On the rare occasions I get into one of these repetitive Sabbatarians vs all the rest of Christianity debates.

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

HIM said:
Look for yourself or not.

I am not going to cut and paste and reference it when you can read the source yourself. Which one should do even if I was inclined.

There others resources out there also. Have fun.

Take care.

When someone doesn't have firsthand knowledge or evidence to substantiate their claim, or can't even answer a simple question about it, they usually deflect with 'look it up for yourself'.

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
Yes, I picked up on that. From now on I'll just say Sabbatarian. On the rare occasions I get into one of these repetitive Sabbatarians vs all the rest of Christianity debates.

Why label at all? Sabbatarian? I find that offensive. I am a Christian plain and simple

HIM · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
When someone doesn't have firsthand knowledge or evidence to substantiate their claim, or can't even answer a simple question about it, they usually deflect with 'look it up for yourself'.

That is funny. A link was posted with references. Look for yourself or not.

I am done with you in respect to this.

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

HIM said:
Why label at all? Sabbatarian? I find that offensive. I am a Christian plain and simple

I'm not calling anyone a Sabbatarian, I'm referring to Sabbatarian doctrine. As in 'does that interpretation exist outside of Sabbatarianism? Or Dispansationalism? Or Calvinism?' Etc.

ozso · Nov 26, 2024

HIM said:
That is funny. A link was posted with references. Look for yourself or not.

I am done with you in respect to this.

Of course you are. With the exception of some fringe group here and there, seventh day sabbath keeping has never been practiced in Christianity in the last 2000 years. And it was virtually unheard of as a Christian practice until it was popularized by Ellen G White in the mid 19th century. And then a somewhat larger fringe developed.

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