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Nothing is ever accepted by 100% of individuals. It does not matter, what matters is the scholarly consensus. Thats what establishes authority. Or else there would be none.Not by all.
Your reasoning.
They were also in the land of Israel at the timeJesus did not correct them in regard to when they were keeping it.
Okay... Following the rotation of the Earth, does the Sabbath occur first in Berrien Springs or Silang?WIth that in mind nothing has changed since then. They followed the rotation of the earth no matter where they were at.
Right, because he sees all kinds of animalsThe Common and unclean animals were seen in the vision of Peter's
Right, though there's a textual question about whether it's common OR unclean or common AND uncleanHe said he had never ate anything common or unclean.
Right, what God has made clean (katharos) don't call common (koinos)Then God said, what God has cleansed call not common.
Actually, I think it says all kinds of animalsNot only are two different animals being seen in the unfolding.
It looks to me like God is referring to all animals, since that's what was in the visionBut it is also worthy of a mention that God never addressed the animals that Peter seen which were unclean. He only mentions cleansing the unclean.
Well actually, some of the tetrapods would have been clean (katharos), unless something has happened to them to make them common (koinos)One should notice that in the seeing of all manner of four footed beasts and what not; not one animal was seen that Peter could eat.
Possibly because he saw them in close proximity to the unclean animals? They were all in the same sheet? Peter was steeped in the traditions of the Pharisees, those things don't go away overnight. For example, Paul shaves his head to keep a vowWith that in mind, what made the clean animals not fit to eat in Peter's eyes?
Well, since it looks like we don't agree about the details of Acts 10, I invite you to explain moreTherein is the answer to your questions.
Matt 24 and Hebrews 4 were originally addressed to Jews not Gentiles. In Matt 24, Jesus was addressing his disciples who were Jews. The letter is called Hebrews, because it is addressed to Hebrews. We now universally accept both into the Scriptures for Gentiles. I was asking where Gentiles were particularly told by any of the writers of the New Testament to keep the Sabbath. I particularly find it interesting that Jesus addresses churches in Revelation that contained both Greeks and Jews and does complain or complement them about their keeping the Sabbath.Jesus expects His followers to be keeping the Sabbath, not a sabbath at the time of the end right before His coming in the clouds to gather the saints in Matt 24.
Hebrews 4 states that we who have enter into the rest that is the Gospel also cease from our own works as God did from His.
The word "as" denotes a direct comparison..
So how and when did God cease from His own works?
The new Covenant is the Law in our hearts. We are a new creature. Now through Christ we do because of who we are in Him not because we have to, but because we want to through His Spirit.
We keep the commandments of God because of the faith of Jesus Christ. We are dead but live. But not us but Christ lives in us. And the life we now live, we live through the faith OF Jesus Christ. For he that has been baptized into Christ , has put on Christ. And it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
So what if we are not keeping the commandments? Is the Law in our hearts? Are we a new creature in Christ Jesus?
And the majority is always right?Nothing is ever accepted by 100% of individuals. It does not matter, what matters is the scholarly consensus. Thats what establishes authority. Or else there would be none.
Well, you reference some scriptures hereDid you miss the word assume?
Assuming is good?
Rather subjective reasoning when one assumes.
But Not in respect to the commandments of God.
As was said, nowhere in scripture is it a law that we only eat vegies.
Nor is it a founded in scripture that we are not to eat common animals.
Now, if we "have to assume" based on what you presented, then it sounds like you are saying that we have no choice but "...to assume that the day mentioned is a holy day or the Sabbath", with which I would agreeSo with that, one would have to assume that the day mentioned is a holy day or the Sabbath
They followed the rotation of the earth no matter where they were at.
Brothers, according to the observance of the Sabbath by Jewish communities that have spread throughout the world, the correct date line that accommodates all Jewish communities is not on the International Date Line but slightly further to the right on the exact opposite side of the globe from Jerusalem, the last of the listed possibilities followed by several prominent communities.Okay... Following the rotation of the Earth, does the Sabbath occur first in Berrien Springs or Silang?
That's interesting hearing the Jewish opinionBrothers, according to the observance of the Sabbath by Jewish communities that have spread throughout the world, the correct date line that accommodates all Jewish communities is not on the International Date Line but slightly further to the right on the exact opposite side of the globe from Jerusalem, the last of the listed possibilities followed by several prominent communities.
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
If you have a specific problem with the scholarly text used in the biblical scholarship today, address the NA committee, not me. Its off topic, here.And the majority is always right?
Then don't bring it up. Especially since you don't have any rational answer for that which was put forward to you.If you have a specific problem with the scholarly text used in the biblical scholarship today, address the NA committee, not me. Its off topic, here.
Nestlé Aland is the standard text for Bible translations today. I brought it up because @SabbathBlessings quoted a non-standard one, basing her argument on a reading that is not in the standard text.Then don't bring it up. Especially since you don't have any rational answer for that which was put forward to you.
Because the fact that scholarly consensus (the majority) crucified Jesus and killed a lot of Christians since is quite telling.
As is the fact that to believe what you are putting forward is to believe that God had His word put forward incomplete and not entirely true until said manuscripts were found.
1. Attending synagogues or reasoning/persuading about Jesus is not how the Sabbath was supposed to be kept. Biblically, the Sabbath keeping was a physical rest from work. So I am not following what you are even trying to prove with these verses.Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Original Word: Ἕλλην
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellén
Pronunciation: hel'-lane
Phonetic Spelling: (hel'-lane)
Definition: Greek
Meaning: a Hellene, the native word for a Greek; it is, however, a term wide enough to include all Greek-speaking (i.e. educated) non-Jews.
Matt 24 and Hebrews 4 were originally addressed to Jews not Gentiles.
Yes they were in Hebrews 4.In Matt 24, Jesus was addressing his disciples who were Jews. The letter is called Hebrews, because it is addressed to Hebrews. We now universally accept both into the Scriptures for Gentiles. I was asking where Gentiles were particularly told by any of the writers of the New Testament to keep the Sabbath.
As followers of and through Jesus, it was His custom, as it was for those who were His contemporaries. So we do or we are not.1. Attending synagogues or reasoning/persuading about Jesus is not how the Sabbath was supposed to be kept. Biblically, the Sabbath keeping was a physical rest from work. So I am not following what you are even trying to prove with these verses.
Baseless reasoning. It is as to say all Paul spoke to were not even proselytes but pagans.2. Greeks attending synagogues were proselytes to Judaism:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Mt 23:15
Nestlé Aland is the standard text for Bible translations today.
You are putting it to the forefront by using it as a defense in respect to the text she gave.Defending the standard text is off-topic here, so focus on the Sabbath issue. Thanks.
You are missing the point. I wrote, “We now universally accept both into the Scriptures for Gentiles.” So we now take both Hebrews and Matthew as our own, but one cannot find a place in the New Testament where Gentiles were told to keep the Sabbath at the time the texts were written. I’m just trying to get you to see that there are brothers and sisters in Christ that don’t see the Sabbath as you do. I have known some great Christians, but I’ve never met one that doesn’t sin from time to time, so we should not throw the first stone concerning the Sabbath. Particularly since there have been many good Christians who never knew anything but Sunday as their Sabbath. Some were wrong about many things and even prayed to Mary, but they believed Christ died for their sins and rose from the dead and trusted in Christ more that any church. Errors in doctrine do not always negate salvation by faith.The entirety of Jesus' teaching in the Gospels were mainly just spoken to Israel. So according to your theology none of it applies to you or anyone else that is not Israelian.
What does "teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you" mean then according to what you are purporting?
Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
In Matthew 24's address the culmination is Jesus coming in the clouds to gather the elect. In sharing this He also shares an exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or the Sabbath prior to this.
This exhortation to pray 24:20 is timeless.
Yes they were in Hebrews 4.
True or false.
There is neither Jew or gentile?
There is only One tree?
He is the vine we are the branches?
One Body?
We are the Building?
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