Why Vaccinations Shouldn't be Optional

[Zoii]

“The claim, by Chris Exley, a professor of bioinorganic chemistry at Keele University, has been criticised by fellow scientists, who described his research as flawed, said it is “absurd” to draw conclusions from it, and raised concerns over a possible conflict of interest, all of which he denies.

Exley has claimed in the past that aluminium causes Alzheimer’s disease and is linked to breast cancer. His department has received money from a company that sells silicon-rich mineral water, which he thinks “everyone should drink every day to remove toxic aluminium from their bodies and brains”.“

These Scientists Say A British Professor's Claim That Aluminium Is Linked To Autism Is "Absurd"

I've read that his research finally got published.... in a journal for which he sits on the editorial board... what does that say about him.

 

[Ronald]

To the reader - this is an example of an appauling lack of scientific regard to this topic. Remember to believe or disbelieve a particular point, you shouldnt base your view on anyone's opinion or point of view. The only credible evidence is objective research.

And yours is scientific criticism? You're 17 years old? Last time I listened to a 17 year old give critique was about 45 years ago. You do sound intelligent, but not a genius though. Your assessment of this research is appalling. It lacks regard to the scientific work behind it, which has been followed up by support by experts (which unless you have a PhD AND many years of research experience), disqualifies your assessment thereof.
This research identifies toxicity in Aluminum which is a fact. So what are they afraid of do you think??? They are afraid of a massive class action law suit, so they'll discredit any research (like you are doing right now), only they have professionals who are paid to prove it all to be quackery.
I must retract my facts. There aren't 1 in 160 children diagnosed with Autism, the new numbers are 1 in 68!
What's happening people? From 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68.
So where do think an increase of Autism 36 times what it was 50 years came from? Is it just mutations, genetic flaws, something in the food, like baby formulas (which pale in nutrition to mother's milk btw)?
What do you think of the FDA, approving all of this crap that we ingest in our foods and drugs and vaccines? Do you really think they are out for our best interests? Money, money, money, money. Might as well mention obesity as well. 40% of Americans are obese. It is partially their fault, but this wasn't the case in the last generation, before they put massive amounts of sugar (in many forms), hydrogenated oils, etc. into processed foods. Yeh, the FDA years ago pulled a slick one on us and told us that it was the fat in our foods that cause weight gain problems. So they came out with all these fat substitutes like margaringe, low fat yogurt, low fat this and that, when the real culprit was carbs, in the form of massive amounts of sugar. Have a Pepsi, all the famous people drink it, have some fat free yogurt, and all the junk food with all the very long lists of ingredients in the aisles. I actually had a pediatrician advice me that my daughter could eat anything she wanted -- (He was obese himself and that was enough for me to get another one). I'm not stating that all doctors are corrupt, but they are schooled to administer drugs and certain procedures. They do incredible things no doubt and my wife is alive because of stents in her heart for instance. If I broke my arm, I would go to the doctor and get it fixed. Other than that, I'm 62 and have gone to the doctor about five times in the last 40 years because I look at ingredients on the labels and I eat good, exercise and treat myself with many natural cures. Actually if the country followed my regime, medical expenses would not cost the country $2 trillion/per year - it would cost 1/10 that amount. But of course, people want to eat what they want to eat and they TRUST THE MEN IN WHITE ROBES!.
Many cures are genuine, but MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY SCREW UP, ERR IN THEIR RESEARCH AND WE'VE SUFFERED FOR. If you don't believe that, research all the lawsuits against the drug companies and doctors for medical mal practice.

Mercury, is toxic as well and many people have problems because of mercury in their fillings. Dentists have been using silver fillings (Amalgams which contain mercury), for 150 years AND HALF OF THEM STILL DO! But I guess they DON'T CARE of the dangers or down play them -- don't worry it's approved by the industry, it's gotta be safe. You can get mercury- free fillings for more money if you like. Do some research into the symptoms cause by mercury toxicity. For a while I though it was the mercury in vaccines ... maybe that contributes as well to autism.
Heavy metal toxicity has been know for a long time. These metals do not always pass through your system, they lodge in your body and in this case, your brain, causing mental dysfunctions and problems like Autism and Alzheimers we see today. Even in WWII men were exposed to heavy metal toxicity and were treated for it. Bentonite clay baths or tablets can remove heavy metals from the body. If doctors would just acknowledge this - even if they doubt it, why not remove these metals entirely? That baffles me.
Lead is something the Oil companies might have argued against as they put it into our gasoline many years ago and it polluted our air until they smartened up. Lead was in paint as well.
---- Cut and pasted this next one too!
from www.lead.org.au
>>>"First: when childhood lead poisoning was first described in 1892 in Brisbane, Australia, its very existence was disputed by elitist physicians in Sydney. A.J. Turner, a house officer at the Brisbane Children’s Hospital, diagnosed several children with lead intoxication who had been given a previous diagnosis of meningitis. Also at Brisbane, J. Lockart Gibson , an ophthalmologist, recognized lead poisoning in children with retinites and ophthalmoplegia. They investigated and found the source of lead exposure to be paint on rails in the children’s homes. Through their efforts, lead was eventually banned from house paint in Australia in 1914. That same year, childhood lead poisoning was first reported in America.

Second: After its existence was accepted, the prevailing belief among pediatricians was that children who did not die during the acute stage of the disease suffered no lasting ill effects. In 1943, Byers demonstrated the persistence of severe residue in children who had recovered from acute lead poisoning. Dr. Randolph Byers, one of America’s first pediatric neurologists, discovered that several children with learning or behavior disorders had earlier been treated for lead poisoning. Along with Elizabeth Lord, a psychologist at Boston Children’s Hospital, Byer conducted detailed psychometric evaluations of 20 children who had reported previous lead poisoning. They found that 19 of the 20 children were behavior disordered or intellectually impaired. Dr. Byer’s studies in the early 1940’s were the first to prove that children who survived acute intoxication were often left with devastating deficits in intellectual function.

Third: The reality of sequelae was then accepted, but sequelae were thought to afflict only those patients who had had the most severe symptoms. In the late 1970s, 1980s, and early 90’s, the publication of papers from around the world showing IQ and behavioral deficits at silent doses of lead, the neuropsychological costs of asymptomatic lead exposure were established to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This controversial issue has now been effectively settled. With the release of extensive research from numerous studies, each confirming the other, almost all workers in the field agree that lead at silent doses produces deficits in psychological function; these include intelligence, perception, attention, language function, and perhaps social adjustment.

Fourth: Regulations began to be shaped to accommodate the realization that lead at silent doses damaged the brains of children. Mass public screening programs were enacted to monitor the lead exposure of young children. For the first time the focus of lead exposure was centered on primary prevention, with many laws being enacted to eliminate lead sources in the environment. Mandatory testing programs were being established in many states to detect early identification of lead problems. In 1991 CDC devised a strategic plan to prevent childhood lead toxicity. This was a historic moment in lead poisoning prevention."<<<

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So what do you get from this? How long did it take for medical science and society to smarten up? How many children suffered brain damage or death from lead poisoning before they did something?


And now we have the entire medical industry backed by the Big Pharma and FDA using toxic metals and harmful, life threatening drugs and procedures, and telling us we can eat anything we want -- it's all safe ... we've done the research for ya'll, all for your benefit!
Well, listen to them, believe them, take their drugs, undergo their procedures, it's your life and the lives of your children. My post wasn't meant to argue a point, just to inform you. Don't believe it, that's fine.

 

[keith99]

And yours is scientific criticism? You're 17 years old? Last time I listened to a 17 year old give critique was about 45 years ago. You do sound intelligent, but not a genius though. Your assessment of this research is appalling. It lacks regard to the scientific work behind it, which has been followed up by support by experts (which unless you have a PhD AND many years of research experience), disqualifies your assessment thereof.
This research identifies toxicity in Aluminum which is a fact. So what are they afraid of do you think??? They are afraid of a massive class action law suit, so they'll discredit any research (like you are doing right now), only they have professionals who are paid to prove it all to be quackery.
I must retract my facts. There aren't 1 in 160 children diagnosed with Autism, the new numbers are 1 in 68!
What's happening people? From 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68.
So where do think an increase of Autism 36 times what it was 50 years came from? Is it just mutations, genetic flaws, something in the food, like baby formulas (which pale in nutrition to mother's milk btw)?
What do you think of the FDA, approving all of this crap that we ingest in our foods and drugs and vaccines? Do you really think they are out for our best interests? Money, money, money, money. Might as well mention obesity as well. 40% of Americans are obese. It is partially their fault, but this wasn't the case in the last generation, before they put massive amounts of sugar (in many forms), hydrogenated oils, etc. into processed foods. Yeh, the FDA years ago pulled a slick one on us and told us that it was the fat in our foods that cause weight gain problems. So they came out with all these fat substitutes like margaringe, low fat yogurt, low fat this and that, when the real culprit was carbs, in the form of massive amounts of sugar. Have a Pepsi, all the famous people drink it, have some fat free yogurt, and all the junk food with all the very long lists of ingredients in the aisles. I actually had a pediatrician advice me that my daughter could eat anything she wanted -- (He was obese himself and that was enough for me to get another one). I'm not stating that all doctors are corrupt, but they are schooled to administer drugs and certain procedures. They do incredible things no doubt and my wife is alive because of stents in her heart for instance. If I broke my arm, I would go to the doctor and get it fixed. Other than that, I'm 62 and have gone to the doctor about five times in the last 40 years because I look at ingredients on the labels and I eat good, exercise and treat myself with many natural cures. Actually if the country followed my regime, medical expenses would not cost the country $2 trillion/per year - it would cost 1/10 that amount. But of course, people want to eat what they want to eat and they TRUST THE MEN IN WHITE ROBES!.
Many cures are genuine, but MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY SCREW UP, ERR IN THEIR RESEARCH AND WE'VE SUFFERED FOR. If you don't believe that, research all the lawsuits against the drug companies and doctors for medical mal practice.

Mercury, is toxic as well and many people have problems because of mercury in their fillings. Dentists have been using silver fillings (Amalgams which contain mercury), for 150 years AND HALF OF THEM STILL DO! But I guess they DON'T CARE of the dangers or down play them -- don't worry it's approved by the industry, it's gotta be safe. You can get mercury- free fillings for more money if you like. Do some research into the symptoms cause by mercury toxicity. For a while I though it was the mercury in vaccines ... maybe that contributes as well to autism.
Heavy metal toxicity has been know for a long time. These metals do not always pass through your system, they lodge in your body and in this case, your brain, causing mental dysfunctions and problems like Autism and Alzheimers we see today. Even in WWII men were exposed to heavy metal toxicity and were treated for it. Bentonite clay baths or tablets can remove heavy metals from the body. If doctors would just acknowledge this - even if they doubt it, why not remove these metals entirely? That baffles me.
Lead is something the Oil companies might have argued against as they put it into our gasoline many years ago and it polluted our air until they smartened up. Lead was in paint as well.
---- Cut and pasted this next one too!
from www.lead.org.au
>>>"First: when childhood lead poisoning was first described in 1892 in Brisbane, Australia, its very existence was disputed by elitist physicians in Sydney. A.J. Turner, a house officer at the Brisbane Children’s Hospital, diagnosed several children with lead intoxication who had been given a previous diagnosis of meningitis. Also at Brisbane, J. Lockart Gibson , an ophthalmologist, recognized lead poisoning in children with retinites and ophthalmoplegia. They investigated and found the source of lead exposure to be paint on rails in the children’s homes. Through their efforts, lead was eventually banned from house paint in Australia in 1914. That same year, childhood lead poisoning was first reported in America.

Second: After its existence was accepted, the prevailing belief among pediatricians was that children who did not die during the acute stage of the disease suffered no lasting ill effects. In 1943, Byers demonstrated the persistence of severe residue in children who had recovered from acute lead poisoning. Dr. Randolph Byers, one of America’s first pediatric neurologists, discovered that several children with learning or behavior disorders had earlier been treated for lead poisoning. Along with Elizabeth Lord, a psychologist at Boston Children’s Hospital, Byer conducted detailed psychometric evaluations of 20 children who had reported previous lead poisoning. They found that 19 of the 20 children were behavior disordered or intellectually impaired. Dr. Byer’s studies in the early 1940’s were the first to prove that children who survived acute intoxication were often left with devastating deficits in intellectual function.

Third: The reality of sequelae was then accepted, but sequelae were thought to afflict only those patients who had had the most severe symptoms. In the late 1970s, 1980s, and early 90’s, the publication of papers from around the world showing IQ and behavioral deficits at silent doses of lead, the neuropsychological costs of asymptomatic lead exposure were established to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This controversial issue has now been effectively settled. With the release of extensive research from numerous studies, each confirming the other, almost all workers in the field agree that lead at silent doses produces deficits in psychological function; these include intelligence, perception, attention, language function, and perhaps social adjustment.

Fourth: Regulations began to be shaped to accommodate the realization that lead at silent doses damaged the brains of children. Mass public screening programs were enacted to monitor the lead exposure of young children. For the first time the focus of lead exposure was centered on primary prevention, with many laws being enacted to eliminate lead sources in the environment. Mandatory testing programs were being established in many states to detect early identification of lead problems. In 1991 CDC devised a strategic plan to prevent childhood lead toxicity. This was a historic moment in lead poisoning prevention."<<<

-----

So what do you get from this? How long did it take for medical science and society to smarten up? How many children suffered brain damage or death from lead poisoning before they did something?


And now we have the entire medical industry backed by the Big Pharma and FDA using toxic metals and harmful, life threatening drugs and procedures, and telling us we can eat anything we want -- it's all safe ... we've done the research for ya'll, all for your benefit!
Well, listen to them, believe them, take their drugs, undergo their procedures, it's your life and the lives of your children. My post wasn't meant to argue a point, just to inform you. Don't believe it, that's fine.

Wow. Start with an Ad Hom attack and follow with a wall of text that it seems wants us to reject any real scientific research because of some vague conspiracy and accept research that would get a high school student a failing grade (well at least in any AP science class).

As to the claim about toxicity of silver fillings you might want to take a second look at the anecdotal claims it rests on. True believers getting all the silver fillings in their mouths replaced and then seeing IMMEDIATE and startling results. See the problem yet? They should experience the exact opposite. The process of removal would drastically increase any exposure and even if that were avoided somehow the effects would not be instant and drastic it would be slow as mercury and silver slowly left the patients body. (assuming that there was any to start with).

 

[Ronald]

Wow. Start with an Ad Hom attack and follow with a wall of text that it seems wants us to reject any real scientific research because of some vague conspiracy and accept research that would get a high school student a failing grade (well at least in any AP science class).

As to the claim about toxicity of silver fillings you might want to take a second look at the anecdotal claims it rests on. True believers getting all the silver fillings in their mouths replaced and then seeing IMMEDIATE and startling results. See the problem yet? They should experience the exact opposite. The process of removal would drastically increase any exposure and even if that were avoided somehow the effects would not be instant and drastic it would be slow as mercury and silver slowly left the patients body. (assuming that there was any to start with).

Yes, wow. I like sitting in the dentist chair and getting zapped with radiatiin too, when all I wanted was a cleaning. Removing silver fillings is a delicate process. I don't suffer problems associated with mercury toxicity, so I never bothered with removing mine ... But maybe that's why I don't trust doctors, the medical industry, the FDA, the government ... it must be the mercury in those fillings and a little aluminum as well that is responsible for this conspiracy paranoia and irrational thinking ... maybe if I can only get them removed I can think and live like a normal? Wow is me.
No really, accepting truth in science is no problem, its all the other junk science, the propaganda, the deceptions and lies that they try to manipulate us with are hard to swallow.
As far as aluminum and autism, they are so trying desperately to derail the connection to save their butts.

 

[Kentonio]

I must retract my facts. There aren't 1 in 160 children diagnosed with Autism, the new numbers are 1 in 68!
What's happening people? From 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68.
So where do think an increase of Autism 36 times what it was 50 years came from? Is it just mutations, genetic flaws, something in the food, like baby formulas (which pale in nutrition to mother's milk btw)?

Autism wasn't even defined in its current sense until 1943, and it took a very long time before testing and diagnosis became a common practice. If you had autism in the 60's-70's in most places, you'd have just been written off as weird or retarded. We have no way of knowing whether the rise in reported cases is an actual rise in cases or whether its just representing more recognition of the condition.

 

[keith99]

Autism wasn't even defined in its current sense until 1943, and it took a very long time before testing and diagnosis became a common practice. If you had autism in the 60's-70's in most places, you'd have just been written off as weird or retarded. We have no way of knowing whether the rise in reported cases is an actual rise in cases or whether its just representing more recognition of the condition.

Or with Autism spectrum a flat out redefining of what qualifies.

 

[Ronald]

My son has vaccination induced autism. Doctors all agree and we've seen alot of those! No mo' needles!

Sorry to hear that. Listen, If the aluminum and or mercury in the vaccine caused this problem, a heavy metal detox can be done to help drawn out these metals. Bentonite clay capsules can be taken internally (research Quantum Labs/ Dr. Bob Marshall) and then clay baths with distilled water. It has a magnetic effect which draws the metals through the skin and out of the body and visible in the water.

 

[Ronald]

I have heard sooo much about that. We do alot of Epsom salt baths which also help to detox but I've yet to try the clay products. I'll definitely do more research on it. Thanks!

Its called Magnetic Clay baths. Also, one doctor recommends melatonin.,Other treatment is chelation. Organic juice fasting especially with dark greens and berries helps to cleanse entire body. I would try everything.

 

[keith99]

My son has vaccination induced autism. Doctors all agree and we've seen alot of those! No mo' needles!

And just what mechanism do the doctors think caused it?

Does this mean no penicillin when the kid has a raging infection? Or for that matter no blood draws for diagnosis?

 

[Neal82]

My son has vaccination induced autism. Doctors all agree and we've seen alot of those! No mo' needles!

Was your son born between 1996 and 2002?

I can't see any reputable doctor today telling a parent that autism was caused by vaccination, as this is without doubt false. During that time period, however, with Andrew Wakefield's paper linking vaccination with autism, it would be far more likely for physicians to agree with parents that this was the cause. The onset of autism is around the same time as when children receive their vaccinations, so the temporal link would make the connection seem more reasonable.

The paper was fraudulent - the medical hoax of the century - but that was not yet publicly known. Since then an abundance of studies have shown that vaccination does not cause autism. There also wasn't as much research yet on other factors for autism, such as preterm birth. Was your son born prematurely? That's a significant factor for autism.

 

[Allandavid]

My son has vaccination induced autism. Doctors all agree and we've seen alot of those! No mo' needles!

Where’s your evidence...?

 

[Allandavid]

Sorry to hear that. Listen, If the aluminum and or mercury in the vaccine caused this problem, a heavy metal detox can be done to help drawn out these metals. Bentonite clay capsules can be taken internally (research Quantum Labs/ Dr. Bob Marshall) and then clay baths with distilled water. It has a magnetic effect which draws the metals through the skin and out of the body and visible in the water.

That would be the doctor that isn’t really a doctor..? Who received his degree from a ‘diploma mill’...?

Yeah, I’m gonna hang off every word that guy says....

 

[Skreeper]

My son has vaccination induced autism. Doctors all agree and we've seen alot of those! No mo' needles!

Sorry to hear about your son. But vaccinations were not the cause of his autism. "Doctors all agree" seems very suspicious considering that the majority of medical professionals agree that vaccines do not cause autism.

So please do not punish your son even more by exposing him to countless deseases which can be reduced significantly by vaccines.

 

[Zoii]

And yours is scientific criticism? You're 17 years old? Last time I listened to a 17 year old give critique was about 45 years ago. You do sound intelligent, but not a genius though. Your assessment of this research is appalling. It lacks regard to the scientific work behind it, which has been followed up by support by experts (which unless you have a PhD AND many years of research experience), disqualifies your assessment thereof.
This research identifies toxicity in Aluminum which is a fact. So what are they afraid of do you think??? They are afraid of a massive class action law suit, so they'll discredit any research (like you are doing right now), only they have professionals who are paid to prove it all to be quackery.
I must retract my facts. There aren't 1 in 160 children diagnosed with Autism, the new numbers are 1 in 68!
What's happening people? From 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68.
So where do think an increase of Autism 36 times what it was 50 years came from? Is it just mutations, genetic flaws, something in the food, like baby formulas (which pale in nutrition to mother's milk btw)?
What do you think of the FDA, approving all of this crap that we ingest in our foods and drugs and vaccines? Do you really think they are out for our best interests? Money, money, money, money. Might as well mention obesity as well. 40% of Americans are obese. It is partially their fault, but this wasn't the case in the last generation, before they put massive amounts of sugar (in many forms), hydrogenated oils, etc. into processed foods. Yeh, the FDA years ago pulled a slick one on us and told us that it was the fat in our foods that cause weight gain problems. So they came out with all these fat substitutes like margaringe, low fat yogurt, low fat this and that, when the real culprit was carbs, in the form of massive amounts of sugar. Have a Pepsi, all the famous people drink it, have some fat free yogurt, and all the junk food with all the very long lists of ingredients in the aisles. I actually had a pediatrician advice me that my daughter could eat anything she wanted -- (He was obese himself and that was enough for me to get another one). I'm not stating that all doctors are corrupt, but they are schooled to administer drugs and certain procedures. They do incredible things no doubt and my wife is alive because of stents in her heart for instance. If I broke my arm, I would go to the doctor and get it fixed. Other than that, I'm 62 and have gone to the doctor about five times in the last 40 years because I look at ingredients on the labels and I eat good, exercise and treat myself with many natural cures. Actually if the country followed my regime, medical expenses would not cost the country $2 trillion/per year - it would cost 1/10 that amount. But of course, people want to eat what they want to eat and they TRUST THE MEN IN WHITE ROBES!.
Many cures are genuine, but MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY SCREW UP, ERR IN THEIR RESEARCH AND WE'VE SUFFERED FOR. If you don't believe that, research all the lawsuits against the drug companies and doctors for medical mal practice.

Mercury, is toxic as well and many people have problems because of mercury in their fillings. Dentists have been using silver fillings (Amalgams which contain mercury), for 150 years AND HALF OF THEM STILL DO! But I guess they DON'T CARE of the dangers or down play them -- don't worry it's approved by the industry, it's gotta be safe. You can get mercury- free fillings for more money if you like. Do some research into the symptoms cause by mercury toxicity. For a while I though it was the mercury in vaccines ... maybe that contributes as well to autism.
Heavy metal toxicity has been know for a long time. These metals do not always pass through your system, they lodge in your body and in this case, your brain, causing mental dysfunctions and problems like Autism and Alzheimers we see today. Even in WWII men were exposed to heavy metal toxicity and were treated for it. Bentonite clay baths or tablets can remove heavy metals from the body. If doctors would just acknowledge this - even if they doubt it, why not remove these metals entirely? That baffles me.
Lead is something the Oil companies might have argued against as they put it into our gasoline many years ago and it polluted our air until they smartened up. Lead was in paint as well.
---- Cut and pasted this next one too!
from www.lead.org.au
>>>"First: when childhood lead poisoning was first described in 1892 in Brisbane, Australia, its very existence was disputed by elitist physicians in Sydney. A.J. Turner, a house officer at the Brisbane Children’s Hospital, diagnosed several children with lead intoxication who had been given a previous diagnosis of meningitis. Also at Brisbane, J. Lockart Gibson , an ophthalmologist, recognized lead poisoning in children with retinites and ophthalmoplegia. They investigated and found the source of lead exposure to be paint on rails in the children’s homes. Through their efforts, lead was eventually banned from house paint in Australia in 1914. That same year, childhood lead poisoning was first reported in America.

Second: After its existence was accepted, the prevailing belief among pediatricians was that children who did not die during the acute stage of the disease suffered no lasting ill effects. In 1943, Byers demonstrated the persistence of severe residue in children who had recovered from acute lead poisoning. Dr. Randolph Byers, one of America’s first pediatric neurologists, discovered that several children with learning or behavior disorders had earlier been treated for lead poisoning. Along with Elizabeth Lord, a psychologist at Boston Children’s Hospital, Byer conducted detailed psychometric evaluations of 20 children who had reported previous lead poisoning. They found that 19 of the 20 children were behavior disordered or intellectually impaired. Dr. Byer’s studies in the early 1940’s were the first to prove that children who survived acute intoxication were often left with devastating deficits in intellectual function.

Third: The reality of sequelae was then accepted, but sequelae were thought to afflict only those patients who had had the most severe symptoms. In the late 1970s, 1980s, and early 90’s, the publication of papers from around the world showing IQ and behavioral deficits at silent doses of lead, the neuropsychological costs of asymptomatic lead exposure were established to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This controversial issue has now been effectively settled. With the release of extensive research from numerous studies, each confirming the other, almost all workers in the field agree that lead at silent doses produces deficits in psychological function; these include intelligence, perception, attention, language function, and perhaps social adjustment.

Fourth: Regulations began to be shaped to accommodate the realization that lead at silent doses damaged the brains of children. Mass public screening programs were enacted to monitor the lead exposure of young children. For the first time the focus of lead exposure was centered on primary prevention, with many laws being enacted to eliminate lead sources in the environment. Mandatory testing programs were being established in many states to detect early identification of lead problems. In 1991 CDC devised a strategic plan to prevent childhood lead toxicity. This was a historic moment in lead poisoning prevention."<<<

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So what do you get from this? How long did it take for medical science and society to smarten up? How many children suffered brain damage or death from lead poisoning before they did something?


And now we have the entire medical industry backed by the Big Pharma and FDA using toxic metals and harmful, life threatening drugs and procedures, and telling us we can eat anything we want -- it's all safe ... we've done the research for ya'll, all for your benefit!
Well, listen to them, believe them, take their drugs, undergo their procedures, it's your life and the lives of your children. My post wasn't meant to argue a point, just to inform you. Don't believe it, that's fine.

That was a long reply but still no substance. Any position you hold to needs to be backed up by peer reviewed research. Without that theres no credibility. As for your conspiracy theories, there is a conspiracy theory section. This section is for serious topics.

To readers:
Again I empasize that opinions matter for nothing. Angry comments matter for nothing. The only thing that matters is peer reviewed longitudinal research that is preferably double blinded. To date no poster has been able to provide a single study connecting a) vaccines to autism b) vaccines shedding to disease propagation. C) vaccine to mercury toxicity.

Conversely I and others have provided 100s of papers showing vaccine efficacy. Its as simple as thst.

 

[Zoii]

Wow. Start with an Ad Hom attack and follow with a wall of text that it seems wants us to reject any real scientific research because of some vague conspiracy and accept research that would get a high school student a failing grade (well at least in any AP science class).

As to the claim about toxicity of silver fillings you might want to take a second look at the anecdotal claims it rests on. True believers getting all the silver fillings in their mouths replaced and then seeing IMMEDIATE and startling results. See the problem yet? They should experience the exact opposite. The process of removal would drastically increase any exposure and even if that were avoided somehow the effects would not be instant and drastic it would be slow as mercury and silver slowly left the patients body. (assuming that there was any to start with).

Keith the point is that @Ronald is free to say what he likes. He can join the ranks of flat earth and moon landing and 9/11 conspriacy theorists. It matters nothing unless theres research to back his position up - so I wouldnt argue his points because none of them were backed by a single piece of research. If and when he tables research then we shall critique it.

I might be 17 - But I do know how to critique research.

 

[Zoii]

I have heard sooo much about that. We do alot of Epsom salt baths which also help to detox but I've yet to try the clay products. I'll definitely do more research on it. Thanks!

Hi Lilac. Can I suggest you speak with an actual registered medical practitioner. You were advised incorrectly if its true you were told his Autism is related to a vaccine.

 

[Neal82]

And yours is scientific criticism? You're 17 years old? Last time I listened to a 17 year old give critique was about 45 years ago. You do sound intelligent, but not a genius though. Your assessment of this research is appalling. It lacks regard to the scientific work behind it, which has been followed up by support by experts (which unless you have a PhD AND many years of research experience), disqualifies your assessment thereof.
This research identifies toxicity in Aluminum which is a fact. So what are they afraid of do you think??? They are afraid of a massive class action law suit, so they'll discredit any research (like you are doing right now), only they have professionals who are paid to prove it all to be quackery.
I must retract my facts. There aren't 1 in 160 children diagnosed with Autism, the new numbers are 1 in 68!
What's happening people? From 1 in 2500 to 1 in 68.
So where do think an increase of Autism 36 times what it was 50 years came from? Is it just mutations, genetic flaws, something in the food, like baby formulas (which pale in nutrition to mother's milk btw)?
What do you think of the FDA, approving all of this crap that we ingest in our foods and drugs and vaccines? Do you really think they are out for our best interests? Money, money, money, money. Might as well mention obesity as well. 40% of Americans are obese. It is partially their fault, but this wasn't the case in the last generation, before they put massive amounts of sugar (in many forms), hydrogenated oils, etc. into processed foods. Yeh, the FDA years ago pulled a slick one on us and told us that it was the fat in our foods that cause weight gain problems. So they came out with all these fat substitutes like margaringe, low fat yogurt, low fat this and that, when the real culprit was carbs, in the form of massive amounts of sugar. Have a Pepsi, all the famous people drink it, have some fat free yogurt, and all the junk food with all the very long lists of ingredients in the aisles. I actually had a pediatrician advice me that my daughter could eat anything she wanted -- (He was obese himself and that was enough for me to get another one). I'm not stating that all doctors are corrupt, but they are schooled to administer drugs and certain procedures. They do incredible things no doubt and my wife is alive because of stents in her heart for instance. If I broke my arm, I would go to the doctor and get it fixed. Other than that, I'm 62 and have gone to the doctor about five times in the last 40 years because I look at ingredients on the labels and I eat good, exercise and treat myself with many natural cures. Actually if the country followed my regime, medical expenses would not cost the country $2 trillion/per year - it would cost 1/10 that amount. But of course, people want to eat what they want to eat and they TRUST THE MEN IN WHITE ROBES!.
Many cures are genuine, but MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY SCREW UP, ERR IN THEIR RESEARCH AND WE'VE SUFFERED FOR. If you don't believe that, research all the lawsuits against the drug companies and doctors for medical mal practice.

Mercury, is toxic as well and many people have problems because of mercury in their fillings. Dentists have been using silver fillings (Amalgams which contain mercury), for 150 years AND HALF OF THEM STILL DO! But I guess they DON'T CARE of the dangers or down play them -- don't worry it's approved by the industry, it's gotta be safe. You can get mercury- free fillings for more money if you like. Do some research into the symptoms cause by mercury toxicity. For a while I though it was the mercury in vaccines ... maybe that contributes as well to autism.
Heavy metal toxicity has been know for a long time. These metals do not always pass through your system, they lodge in your body and in this case, your brain, causing mental dysfunctions and problems like Autism and Alzheimers we see today. Even in WWII men were exposed to heavy metal toxicity and were treated for it. Bentonite clay baths or tablets can remove heavy metals from the body. If doctors would just acknowledge this - even if they doubt it, why not remove these metals entirely? That baffles me.
Lead is something the Oil companies might have argued against as they put it into our gasoline many years ago and it polluted our air until they smartened up. Lead was in paint as well.
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from www.lead.org.au
>>>"First: when childhood lead poisoning was first described in 1892 in Brisbane, Australia, its very existence was disputed by elitist physicians in Sydney. A.J. Turner, a house officer at the Brisbane Children’s Hospital, diagnosed several children with lead intoxication who had been given a previous diagnosis of meningitis. Also at Brisbane, J. Lockart Gibson , an ophthalmologist, recognized lead poisoning in children with retinites and ophthalmoplegia. They investigated and found the source of lead exposure to be paint on rails in the children’s homes. Through their efforts, lead was eventually banned from house paint in Australia in 1914. That same year, childhood lead poisoning was first reported in America.

Second: After its existence was accepted, the prevailing belief among pediatricians was that children who did not die during the acute stage of the disease suffered no lasting ill effects. In 1943, Byers demonstrated the persistence of severe residue in children who had recovered from acute lead poisoning. Dr. Randolph Byers, one of America’s first pediatric neurologists, discovered that several children with learning or behavior disorders had earlier been treated for lead poisoning. Along with Elizabeth Lord, a psychologist at Boston Children’s Hospital, Byer conducted detailed psychometric evaluations of 20 children who had reported previous lead poisoning. They found that 19 of the 20 children were behavior disordered or intellectually impaired. Dr. Byer’s studies in the early 1940’s were the first to prove that children who survived acute intoxication were often left with devastating deficits in intellectual function.

Third: The reality of sequelae was then accepted, but sequelae were thought to afflict only those patients who had had the most severe symptoms. In the late 1970s, 1980s, and early 90’s, the publication of papers from around the world showing IQ and behavioral deficits at silent doses of lead, the neuropsychological costs of asymptomatic lead exposure were established to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This controversial issue has now been effectively settled. With the release of extensive research from numerous studies, each confirming the other, almost all workers in the field agree that lead at silent doses produces deficits in psychological function; these include intelligence, perception, attention, language function, and perhaps social adjustment.

Fourth: Regulations began to be shaped to accommodate the realization that lead at silent doses damaged the brains of children. Mass public screening programs were enacted to monitor the lead exposure of young children. For the first time the focus of lead exposure was centered on primary prevention, with many laws being enacted to eliminate lead sources in the environment. Mandatory testing programs were being established in many states to detect early identification of lead problems. In 1991 CDC devised a strategic plan to prevent childhood lead toxicity. This was a historic moment in lead poisoning prevention."<<<

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So what do you get from this? How long did it take for medical science and society to smarten up? How many children suffered brain damage or death from lead poisoning before they did something?


And now we have the entire medical industry backed by the Big Pharma and FDA using toxic metals and harmful, life threatening drugs and procedures, and telling us we can eat anything we want -- it's all safe ... we've done the research for ya'll, all for your benefit!
Well, listen to them, believe them, take their drugs, undergo their procedures, it's your life and the lives of your children. My post wasn't meant to argue a point, just to inform you. Don't believe it, that's fine.

Someone's age may be relevant to your pride, as a youngster correcting you may sting it more than if a peer had. It's not relevant to this discussion. What matters in discussions like this one is the accuracy of the information. Zoii's posts are factual. Had you not immaturely made an issue of her age, I wouldn't have known it. I joined a couple of years ago to seek advice on a family issue, not planning on sticking around. What compelled me to come back was the brilliance of some of the young posters here. Stanfordella in particular. A thread would go up, and she'd quickly write up a treatise in response to it that was amazing. She wasn't just copying things from online. It was clear she had the knowledge already in her mind. When I was in grad school I taught undergrads and had a few who were special like that, so I learned to not underestimate kids. I haven't been on this forum in a while, but I'm glad to see that the youngest posters are still its biggest asset.

 

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Not to open a whole other can of worms but I do not think God would be super pleased with mankind using legally aborted human fetuses. I highly doubt God would see it as a slap in His face if people choose not to vaccinate since Abortion is killing a life that God began.
Some childhood vaccines, including the one against rubella, are cultured in 'WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts'. Other common vaccines, including those for chicken pox, hepatitis and rabies, are also propagated in cells originating from legally aborted human fetuses, according to the FDA.
Paul Offit is quoted as saying, "to remove human fibroblast cells entirely from vaccines is out of the question."

God wouldn't be pleased with how you've twisted the truth around about this.

 

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Rare, but it still happens.

So do you & your family refuse to wear seatbelts on account of how they can malfunction & cause harm? Rare, but it still happens.

 

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