This is nonsense. It's not one or the other. Improving living standards in conjunction with vaccination reduced the incidence of disease. So yes clean water is critical. But clean water alone will not eradicate communicable diseases. To illustrate, many communicable diseases are transmitted by air or droplet infection.
Excellent point, if one believes they will go to heaven when they die, they'd probably not want to delay possible methods of dying naturally. However, consider that if you don't live as long, you can't convert as many people, and you might spread illnesses to non-believers and unintentionally kill them before they have the chance to convert.
Ok. I'm glad I can walk because I've never had polio. I'm glad I've never had chickenpox or smallpox. I'm glad I live in the modern era in which people have the opportunity not to have their life ruined by some common viral diseases.
Under Obamacare, vaccines are free of charge as long as the healthcare provider is covered by one's insurance. There are pharmacies that fall under this distinction.
To state that vaccines cause autism is perpetuating a myth. Look at the systematic reviews of autism v vaccination completed in the last fifteen years. There is not a single study that supports your myth. Unless your quoting something like Natural therapies monthly magazine
I think this is just another one of those issues where even the experts can't agree. Some studies (often funded by pharmaceutical companies) seem to show vaccines are safe, others seem to show they are not. There are claims that pharmaceutical companies withhold funded studies that show vaccines cause harm, and it is readily seen that experts are vilified for questioning vaccines. These facts do not induce trust in the community for vaccination.
I agree. People love the freedom of choice, even when most of the options are plainly self-destructive.
The situation with homeless people is rather sad for sure, but soup kitchens providing vaccines would help greatly. It would not be reasonable to think that everyone that could get vaccinated would once it became an obligation, but it would ensure that enough would to keep herd immunity maintained.
Children can't attend school without keeping up to date on vaccines, and IDs are not issued without them. Simple enough, really. Of course, those which have physical issues which prevent them from getting vaccines would have notes to excuse them from it.
-_- medical records. Your doctor can confirm if you have gotten vaccines or not. It's not like people get vaccinated in bars or something. Schools also keep records of vaccinations.
Most of it is actually already there.
They are free under Obamacare, and I have never seen a person denied a vaccine because of a lack of availability in the US (with the exception of extremely bad flu seasons, then vaccines are kept for use on the young and the old first).
Not if you take into account the hospital bills from preventable disease outbreaks.
The irony here is that exactly the same argument you use here against these medical interventions can also be used against vaccines. Its just which doctors and which studies one chooses to trust.
This is the logical conclusion of government mandated medicine, taken to its extreme.
Rape clearly impacts another person. Not vaccinating does not, and as someone stated previously, if it does, prove it in a court of law.
If the studies were hidden about vaccines causing harm, then why don't we see more kids dying? Children are vaccinated more than anyone else, so where is the pile of dead children? Oh wait, vaccines even at their worst aren't near as deadly as the diseases they prevent. So, which is better, 100 people a year having severe reactions to vaccines, or tens of thousands of people a year dying from the diseases those vaccines prevent?
No duh, in my own OP, I provided a link to known side effects of common vaccinations. From the CDC, no one is hiding the fact that vaccines can have side effects. The issue is, the side effects are extremely rare, and the diseases that the vaccines prevent have worse effects. So, because one in a million kids might go into a coma from a vaccine, you think that justifies thousands of kids dying instead? Most of the side effects, even the nasty ones, are temporary. Brain damage from a high fever is not temporary.
My health isn't compromised because I get vaccines. I'll be fine, regardless of what people do. I actually care about the other people affected by this, many whom can't just move to a new location to avoid plague. Why don't you and all the other anti-vax people just move to the South pole? It's pretty much the same thing as what you are asking me to do.
No crap. In places in which disease runs rampant, people do everything they can to reduce it, which is why they appreciate vaccines. The only reason you don't is because you have the luxury of living in a country that has had vaccines for so long that people hardly remember the horrors of those illnesses. So many people don't know that the flu can kill them, and so many people are mistaken about its symptoms, they don't even realize that they have never had it. Puking, for example, is extremely rare with the flu. It's a miserable week to two weeks of high fever that just won't go down, muscles and bones aching to the point that you can hardly move. It is miserable. I am pretty sure anyone that gets the real flu loses more money from not being able to work than they'd ever have to pay for a vaccine (they actually aren't expensive, look it up).
If you would like I can provide you with systematic reviews. They are a review of all studies on the topic. My point is that, except for the rare cases of patients having an allergy to immunization products, you are unnecessarily placing society at risk, particularly the vulnerable, by perpetuating a disease. In Australia you can't take a child to child care centres unless they are vaccinated. The concept here is of you want to ignore the evidence, then fine, don't come near the rest of us and that goes for your kids as well.
Incorrect, seeing as vaccines demonstrably do prevent disease, and illness from them is exceedingly rare. But do tell me of all the people you have met with polio lately.
Vaccines aren't extreme. It's literally getting injected with a weakened virus so that you immune system makes antibodies that will stop the real deal from infecting cells. No more, no less.
Do you deny that a person with the flu can spread it to other people? How do you think diseases work? If you agree that diseases like the flu are transmissible from person to person, what would I have to prove?
You should be aware that the eight fold path you refer to, is about ones personal beliefs and inner the developmemts. Why would you use such a thing in this thread. I know your e being a tad sarcastic to argue a case against vaccination, but using the eight fold path as your case is a bit undignified imo
At one stage, tonsillectomy was routine as it demonstrably prevented disease. Many studies used even today demonstrate that circumcision prevents disease. Brad Pitt's ex-wife even had her breasts removed to prevent disease. However, to mandate these things would be totalitarian.
I haven't met anyone with polio, but I put this down to good sanitation, rather than vaccination.
The risks include death and symptoms with the severity of autism - not a decision to be taken lightly by someone not prepared to pay the price.
Its not understood well enough, or vaccinated populations would be demonstrably more resistant to disease than unvaccinated. Not everyone exposed to a disease contracts it, whether vaccinated or not.
How is deliberately exposing someone to the risks of disease less risky than allowing the opportunity for the disease to pass over someone?
