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WHY UNIVERSALISM IS NOT TRUE?

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John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Timothy 4:10 and 1 John 2:2 merely mean salvation is available to whosoever will believe...
 
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Did Jesus die to save you from God?
 
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Did Jesus die to save you from God?
Jesus died to save us from the wages of sin which is death *Romans 6:23. According to the scriptures, God's promise of eternal life is conditional to all those who believe and follow what God's Word says *John 3:16 says; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. According to the scriptures those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God *John 3:18. Jesus goes on to tell us that He that believes on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeys not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him in John 3:36

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Did Jesus die to save you from God?

The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.

The question is framed in error. Like 'when will you stop cheating on your wife?' when you never have to begin with. Or 'your dad didn't kill you all those times you were in trouble...'

Non sequitur.
 
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Good observation
 
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The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.

Right, so none of us actually chose that fate, and poor Adam and Eve were clearly naive and set up. Like leaving a loaded shotgun with a 5 year old with strict instructions not to play with it. But I digress.

Now religion insists we jump through various hoops to turn the boat around. But Jesus is still taking a kip astern.

Ok, who is greater, Adam or Christ? Yes, and if all are dead or dying in Adam (as predetermined), what is or will be made alive in Christ (as also pre-ordained)? Excellent, progress, now that's glimmer of good news for those in prison and groaning under the heavy burdens that certain types won't lift a finger to help them with, isn't it now? A lighter yoke for freed slaves, that's our platform. Vote 1 Christ, go postal on love, it's in the bag, much rejoicing - except for gloomy big brothers and early day workers. Still, they'll come round.
 
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. . .and elementary.
 
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I looked up universalism and it means very different to what I expected; it seems to have fallen victim to new speak. You seem to be concerned with symptoms and not the disease or the cause.

Universalism is Pandora's box as is Satan, where as God is of one mind and one purpose; universalism is an organised destruction of the truth.
 
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We need to separate Christian Universalism from Universalism in general. Christian Universalists do not have the same beliefs as general Universalists. And Christian Universalism is nothing new. It was a leading theology in the early church. See below. Four out of six schools, or more.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor:

"In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
 
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Universalism is not supported in scripture is it? I cannot see any where in the scriptures that the wicked will be given a second chance at the second coming and receive eternal life. This is the exact opposite to what the scriptures teach.
 
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Great expression, 'organised destruction of the truth', I suppose if you want to do it right...

That great collection of 'destruction of the wicked' scriptures is fully affirmed by UR. This is a point that anti-UR-ists can't or won't accurately represent. UR categorically does not contend that everyone gets into the Kingdom, warts and all. Of course not, they need to enter through the sheep gate for a good wool wash.

How does the destruction of the wicked occur? Simple: by His Salvation. That's how God overcomes wickedness, by grace. The purification of the Spirit and the renewal of the mind, the humble repentance of the sinner, and so on and so forth.

So the total victory of Christ can only mean the salvation of all. It can't get any more definitional than that.
 
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What tricked me up is Catholic is an alternate word for universal, and the universal Church is where all religions are counted logically as one under the Pope, except for them who choose to be heretics; there are probably better descriptions than mine. Although My 1964 dictionary has universalist as one who believes in universal salvation, (which is not Biblical); I do not know if the Papacy believes in universal salvation but I suspect not because the Pope has authority over who is saved, in their opinion.

There are so many scripture that contradict universalism. Christ's victory is only a victory in the context of the covenant and the only beneficiaries are those in covenant with God.
 
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Yes, the universal church that denies universal salvation. Least the Catholics were bright enough to know that the result would be universal damnation if sinlessness was the requisite standard, hence the need for the relief valve of purgatory. I say, purgatory for all, not just the Catholics!

There are so many scripture that contradict universalism. Christ's victory is only a victory in the context of the covenant and the only beneficiaries are those in covenant with God.

The Abrahamic Covenant IS a universal promise of blessings to all mankind. This is what Revelation is about, the consummation of that promise. Funnily enough, the angel also announces Christ's advent as Glad tidings of great joy for all mankind...most of you are doomed to rot in hell (sorry, I added that last part). Christ's mission is to raise the dead, free the slaves, heal the sick etc...there's nothing about roasting the lost there. Salvation, the omega plan.

Once your eyes are open to UR, you'll find it on every page of the Bible. That's the good news, as much as fell in Adam is more than redeemed in Christ. That's the glory of God. What would be the point otherwise?

100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
 
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My eyes haven't been closed but it appears yours have; have you heard of teachings of men in place of what God has given, it is called doctrines of men.
 
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My eyes haven't been closed but it appears yours have; have you heard of teachings of men in place of what God has given, it is called doctrines of men.

It does nobody any good to come start making accusations, I've just given you foundational tenets of faith which are universalistic in character, In case you missed it, I'll draw you a diagram:
  • The Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 18:18, 22:18)
  • The Koreshic Oath (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:9)
  • The Angel's gospel (Luke 2:10-11)
  • The great restoration (Revelation 21:5)
And looky here, a list of 'all nations will be saved' verses:
"All Nations" Verse List - Youth With A Mission

Still, some ppl prefer an emotionally retarded malicious deity who tortures ppl forever or offs their heads because they don't do what he wants. You want to make a god in your own image mate, go ahead. Lord have mercy.
 
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In the early church it was known as Apocatastasis. Christian universalism is biblical in that it uses a lot of proof texts from the Bible. As for what the Pope believes, you might be surprised if you watch this four minute video:

 
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In the early church it was known as Apocatastasis. Christian universalism is biblical in that it uses a lot of proof texts from the Bible. As for what the Pope believes, you might be surprised if you watch this four minute video:
The only thing biblical about universalism is it's parallel to Genesis 3:1-5 and the lies told to Eve in the garden of Eden that if you disobey Gods' Word you will not surely die. Sounds familiar? The teachings of Christian Universalism is not supported in scripture. There is no second chances for the wicked at the second coming where God tortures all the unbelieving wicked into believing and following him then gives them eternal life? What kind of God is that? Not one that is supported in the scriptures or one that I believe and follow. I prefer what the scriptures teach.

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Christian universalism has been explained to you on this thread repeatedly by several extremely patient people. If you wish to continue misrepresenting it that's up to you but please don't claim that it is scripture. Scripture is about what is true, not what is false.
 
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I can't say for sure if universalism is true, but I can say that I find it more convincing than seventh day adventism. According to the doctrine you promote there's no salvation for any except for the scant few who follow it.
 
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