Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Douggg

That was actually a pretty good post.

Doug
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In what way?

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What the future holds is within bible prophecy. Pursuing bible prophecy is fellowshipping with God.

Doug

What about just pursuing a life in Christ in love and faith?
We could die tomorrow, and if we just focus on future Bible prophecy [which the Jews do not], what have you gained?



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[Marantha]

What about just pursuing a life in Christ in love and faith?
We could die tomorrow, and if we just focus on future Bible prophecy [which the Jews do not], what have you gained?



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Your reference to the jews here is a very, very, very poor example.

The ENTIRE reason why MOST jews are blind to the truth of Yashua right now is because they DID NOT focus on prophecy more. If they had focused on the Daniel 70 week prophecy, they would have known EXACTLY when to expect Yashua. And the Word of God says they will suffer terribly VERY soon because of it.

Also, if God gave the jews the witness in Daniel of exactly when The Christ would come..... why, oh why do people think that he did not give US the timeline of the season of his return?

Ponder that sincerely for a bit if you would.



Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

 

[ebedmelech]

What was shown to me clearly was that you think Ezekiel's temple was in heaven. But opinions do not change the words of scripture.



Tat is not what this scripture means. it means that no scripture can be interpreted without considering all the rest of scripture, which is exactly what you are doing. You are so certain that your system of interpretation is correct that all the explicit statements in the world will never change your interpretations.

Yes it is what it means. Biblewriter, you just don't acknowledge the spiritual and symbolic. No matter how explicit you think you are...you're going to find out you're wrong.

In the thread titled "The Real Meaning of Romans 9-11, I showed you that Paul agrees with me. But you rejected that, just as you reject the Old Testament.

Again, this has degenerated into a childish argument, so over and out.

In the 8 part thread titled "The Case For The Israel of God" I showed you there is an "Israel of God" that is all believers....and even referred to the OT prophets that Paul quotes to show how it applies spiritually.

You ignore what the apostles teach from the OT...it's that simple.

*The will be no 3rd temple.

*God will turn to Israel (the Jews), and open them to the gospel...but God's "Israel" are all that have "circumcised hearts".

 

[ebedmelech]

Thank you; your post was truly informative.

I had considered the other examples you had given......but what makes the example of Daniel different is that the eye-witness of Christ in the furnace was seen by a NONBELIEVER, King N.

the other two examples you gave in the OT were by men of God. Doesn't that prove that the appearance of Christ in Daniel was a literal physical appearance?

Sure they do. Look at them:

Abraham - the key to knowing it is Christ is Genesis 18:17:
17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do,

Then notice the Lord doesn't go to Sodom and Gomorrah, only the two angels who were with Him went.

Joshua - Pay attention to the detail of the "angel of the Lord" Joshua 5:13-15:
13 Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us or for our adversaries?”
14 He said, “No; rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the Lord.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said to him, “What has my lord to say to his servant?”
15The captain of the Lord’s host said to Joshua,“Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

Those are none other than Jesus!

For contrast, when Christ physically appeared to Paul to ask why he was persecuting him; his companions did not see....only heard.

Praise be to God
Marantha

You must remember this was the "glorified Christ"...that is why Paul couldn't see.

Remember the Mt of Transfiguration? Jesus was seen by Peter James and John in all His glory. That was a special case!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Your reference to the jews here is a very, very, very poor example.

The ENTIRE reason why MOST jews are blind to the truth of Yashua right now is because they DID NOT focus on prophecy more. If they had focused on the Daniel 70 week prophecy, they would have known EXACTLY when to expect Yashua. And the Word of God says they will suffer terribly VERY soon because of it.

Also, if God gave the jews the witness in Daniel of exactly when The Christ would come..... why, oh why do people think that he did not give US the timeline of the season of his return?

Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

What does the US have to do with it?


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[Douggg]

What about just pursuing a life in Christ in love and faith?
We could die tomorrow, and if we just focus on future Bible prophecy [which the Jews do not], what have you gained?
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Why would anybody try to package it as choice that has to be made like you have? I don't get it.

You ask me what was so great about that post (paraphrased). I answered that particular question.

Now you are taking that answer and (mis)using it as a response to something else.

For a biblical answer to your second question...."what have you gained?"

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

My number 1 treasure is eternal reciprocal relationship with God. To that end, Jesus is coming and his reward is with him. This is all part of bible prophecy.

Revelation 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Choose Wisely]

I do. I just don't dismiss history in favor of the future...I look at both. You might try that.

I do look at history and I look at the future. That's why I understand that Luke 21 is referring to 70 AD and Matt 24 is talking about the future.

I noticed that you ran far from addressing these specific scriptures and I also notice that when you asked when Jesus made a physical appearance and were shown the example of the 4 in the furnace you did not acknowledge that you were again in error.

Luke 21
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


Matt 24
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

I usually do not waste my time addressing this kind of stuff as it is, as I said,a waste of time. Anyone that holds these views is spiritually blind and not really interested in the truth because there are so many scriptures that prove these beliefs to be false. You can't face the truth in the above scriptures.

I wonder how it is even possible to hold these views. I just don't get it. When the scriptures say something and you just blow it off like it isn't even there. WHY? What do you stand to gain by lying to yourself?

 

[Choose Wisely]

Douggg;62748520]

Why would anybody try to package it as choice that has to be made like you have? I don't get it.

You ask me what was so great about that post (paraphrased). I answered that particular question.

Now you are taking that answer and (mis)using it as a response to something else.

For a biblical answer to your second question...."what have you gained?"

Now this is funny Doug.

Read my response ebedmelech that follows your post above. I did not read your response until after I had posted my response.

I just don't get it either.......and I also questioned what there is to gain by rejecting scripture.

 

[ebedmelech]

I do look at history and I look at the future. That's why I understand that Luke 21 is referring to 70 AD and Matt 24 is talking about the future.

I noticed that you ran far from addressing these specific scriptures and I also notice that when you asked when Jesus made a physical appearance and were shown the example of the 4 in the furnace you did not acknowledge that you were again in error.

Luke 21
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


Matt 24
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

I usually do not waste my time addressing this kind of stuff as it is, as I said,a waste of time. Anyone that holds these views is spiritually blind and not really interested in the truth because there are so many scriptures that prove these beliefs to be false. You can't face the truth in the above scriptures.

I wonder how it is even possible to hold these views. I just don't get it. When the scriptures say something and you just blow it off like it isn't even there. WHY? What do you stand to gain by lying to yourself?

Is this supposed to mean something?

You've made no point at all except how you ignore that these are the same event from different viewpoints of focus.

Let's look at how each talks to the event:

Matthew 24:1, 2:
Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
2 And He said to them,“Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

Luke 21:5, 6:
5 And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6 “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”


Mark 13:1, 2:
As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples *said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”
2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down

This is why you have no point...it doesn't take rocket science to understand this is the same event.

What you have is each writer laying out the same thing from their viewpoint...that's all.

How do we know...because the same question is asked by the disciples:

Mathhew 24:3:
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Luke 21:7:
7 They questioned Him, saying, “Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?”

Mark 13: 3, 4:
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately,
4“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?”

Doesn't take much to figure this out.

It's description of the same event...Mark gives the fewest details, Matthew gives the most detail, and Luke is in the middle.

You make no point at all. You just think you did.

Also, let me dd that Luke was not there, he's reporting what what was told to him. He tells you that when he opens his gospel in Luke 1, 2:
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,

Luke is basically a reporter. Matthew and Mark were there. that's why they sound almost the same.

Do your research!

 

[Choose Wisely]

Is this supposed to mean something?

You've made no point at all except how you ignore that these are the same event from different viewpoints of focus.

Let's look at how each talks to the event:

Matthew 24:1, 2:
Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
2 And He said to them,“Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

Luke 21:5, 6:
5 And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6 “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”


Mark 13:1, 2:
As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples *said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”
2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down

This is why you have no point...it doesn't take rocket science to understand this is the same event.

What you have is each writer laying out the same thing from their viewpoint...that's all.

How do we know...because the same question is asked by the disciples:

Mathhew 24:3:
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Luke 21:7:
7 They questioned Him, saying, “Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?”

Mark 13: 3, 4:
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately,
4“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?”

Doesn't take much to figure this out.

It's description of the same event...Mark gives the fewest details, Matthew gives the most detail, and Luke is in the middle.

You make no point at all. You just think you did.

Also, let me dd that Luke was not there, he's reporting what what was told to him. He tells you that when he opens his gospel in Luke 1, 2:
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,

Luke is basically a reporter. Matthew and Mark were there. that's why they sound almost the same.

Do your research!

Are you blind? Let me take the liberty to answer for you....yes spiritually. Why is it that those who claim everything is spiritual are spiritually blind.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Luke 21 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says ......But before all these​

......and then taking us to what happens in 70 AD.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Matt 24 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says......THEN .........taking ust to what happens in the future

Do you not understand English? Is there a translation problem.

No, the problem is inside you. You are lying to yourself. That is the only explanation that there can be as I know there is not a translation problem and it seems you can comprehend English.

Stop this foolishness and face the truth.

 

[ebedmelech]

Are you blind? Let me take the liberty to answer for you....yes spiritually. Why is it that those who claim everything is spiritual are spiritually blind.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Luke 21 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says ......But before all these​

......and then taking us to what happens in 70 AD.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Matt 24 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says......THEN .........taking ust to what happens in the future

Do you not understand English? Is there a translation problem.

No, the problem is inside you. You are lying to yourself. That is the only explanation that there can be as I know there is not a translation problem and it seems you can comprehend English.

Stop this foolishness and face the truth.

You're still not getting it...so keep your mindset. The ONLY WAY you get the full picture is by reading the accounts of all three.

Put 70 A.D. aside for the moment...

They are speaking of the same event, they just give more or less detail.

Luke is saying the same thing Matthew said differently, because it's condensed.

All Jesus is telling the disciples is they themselves would be persecuted and killed. All of them were except John.

Nations didn't rise against Nations at that time because of Roman rule. When the Romans Empire fell apart that is when "nations rose against nations".

This is the same thing Matthew 24:6-12 says:
6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.

It's the same thing...if you stop trying to be so smug...you might realize it.

 

[ebedmelech]

Are you blind? Let me take the liberty to answer for you....yes spiritually. Why is it that those who claim everything is spiritual are spiritually blind.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Luke 21 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says ......But before all these​

......and then taking us to what happens in 70 AD.

How is it that you cannot comprehend that Matt 24 says that "nations will rise against nations etc, etc. and then says......THEN .........taking ust to what happens in the future

Do you not understand English? Is there a translation problem.

No, the problem is inside you. You are lying to yourself. That is the only explanation that there can be as I know there is not a translation problem and it seems you can comprehend English.

Stop this foolishness and face the truth.

You're still not getting it...so keep your mindset. The ONLY WAY you get the full picture is by reading the accounts of all three.

They are speaking of the same event, they just give more or less detail.

Luke is saying the same thing Matthew said differently because it's condensed.

All Jesus is telling the disciples is they themselves would be persecuted and killed. All of them were except John.

Nations didn't rise against Nations at that time because of Roman rule. When the Romans Empire fell apart that is when "nations rose against nations".

This is the same thing Matthew 24:6-12 says:
6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.

It's the same thing...if you stop trying to be so smug...you might realize it.

 

[Dunbar]

Now this makes no sense. Since you believe that we are half way through the 70th week and about to begin 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. It would be impossible for a 3rd Temple to be built in time for your order of events as it would take much longer than 5 years to build a temple. The Mormon temple in Salt Lake City took 40 years to complete. Surely a 3rd Jewish temple would be greater.

How long would it take an army of 200 million fallen angels to rebuild Jerusalem and a third temple? Half a day. lol

And when they build it, it will be more spectacular than anything mortal man has ever seen. A fitting capital for the man of sin to rule the world.

Isaiah refers to Babylon as the golden city. It may even have streets of gold. Your thinking is too small.

 

[Choose Wisely]

ebedmelech;62749701]

You're still not getting it...so keep your mindset. The ONLY WAY you get the full picture is by reading the accounts of all three.

They are speaking of the same event, they just give more or less detail.

Luke is saying the same thing Matthew said differently because it's condensed.

All Jesus is telling the disciples is they themselves would be persecuted and killed. All of them were except John.

Nations didn't rise against Nations at that time because of Roman rule. When the Romans Empire fell apart that is when "nations rose against nations".

I'm still not getting it?

I can't make any clearer than to say Luke says "but before all these" referring to 70ad and Matt says "Then" referring to what happens in the future.

I bet I could list 5 or 6 other differences between Luke and Matt showing that they are not the same event...........BUT if you can't grasp this part, I see no way you can grasp any of it.

I've got to admit, I just don't get it. Why can you not grasp something so simple. What is there to gain by denying fact?

I guess the real problem is that you can't hide behind spiritualization on this. There is no where to run......there is no excuse.

Luke tells a story and says but before all these.
Matt tells the same story and says then

Then and but before all these are not the same thing............so how do you lie to yourself.......and why would you. Aren't you interested in the truth.

See the real problem is I can take what you're selling and just cut it pieces with fact after fact and scripture after scripture. There is not even the slighest chance that what you are selling is truth. What is the point in deceiving ones self?

 

[ebedmelech]

ebedmelech;62749701]
I'm still not getting it?

I can't make any clearer than to say Luke says "but before all these" referring to 70ad and Matt says "Then" referring to what happens in the future.

I bet I could list 5 or 6 other differences between Luke and Matt showing that they are not the same event...........BUT if you can't grasp this part, I see no way you can grasp any of it.

I've got to admit, I just don't get it. Why can you not grasp something so simple. What is there to gain by denying fact?

I guess the real problem is that you can't hide behind spiritualization on this. There is no where to run......there is no excuse.

Luke tells a story and says but before all these.
Matt tells the same story and says then

Then and but before all these are not the same thing............so how do you lie to yourself.......and why would you. Aren't you interested in the truth.

See the real problem is I can take what you're selling and just cut it pieces with fact after fact and scripture after scripture. There is not even the slighest chance that what you are selling is truth. What is the point in deceiving ones self?

Yeah...I guess they all should have said the exact same thing so it would be collusion...huh?

So because they don't say the same thing the exact same way it's not the same event?

Since you don't understand...I'm deceived right?

You're kinda clueless. This isn't even about how to interpret the Olivet Discourse with me right now...it's that you cant understand Matthew, Mark and Luke are speaking to the same event?

What simple is the differences are because each one is mentioning the same event but you don't see it.

*Matthew gives a full account.

*Luke leaves some things Matthew states out.

*Mark give the shortest version.

They are all the same.

Matthew says "When you see the abomination of desolation...flee"

Luke says "when you see Jerusalem surrounded...flee"

Mark says "when you see the abomination of desolation...flee"

Yet they're not speaking of the same thing?

Ok.

I'm going to let you read a futurist like yourself tell you they are:

Here a guy you might like....Chuck Misler...

Epistemology, Part 5: Resolving the Olivet Discourse - Chuck Missler - Koinonia House

They're the same. Do the research and you'll figure it out.

 

[Choose Wisely]

A prophet speaks and Joe writes

There will come a time that in one week there will be and a world wide earthquake and then rain, hail, snow and sleet in every part of the world. But before all these there will be darkness on the earth for 7 days from a volcano.

A month later a prophet speaks and Bill writes

There will come a time that in one week there will be and a world wide earthquake and then rain, hail, snow and sleet in every part of the world.
After these things there will be darkness on the earth for 7 days from a cloud.

I know you think they are talking about the same thing......but they are not.

The only really problem that I see in what you believe is that it does not agree with the Bible.....in countless places. But go ahead and turn a blind eye to the truth. Lie to yourself and believe this foolishness.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Choose Wisely

I guess it's possible to hold this type of view......if you turn a blind eye to scripture.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Matt 24 and Luke 21 are the same events. I guess if you don't pay attention to detail or have any insight to the truth, you could mistake Matt 24 and Luke 21 to be talking about the same thing.

Try reading them carefully and pay attention to detail........and then you will have understanding.
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

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They are talking of the same event

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-5/#post53043894
What the sign?

Matt 24:3......and what? the Sign
Mark 13:4.....and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7.....and what? the Sign.....


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Here you go. I could point to many things, but this is so simple. All you have to do is look at a few words and you can tell that Luke 21 at one point talks about 70ad and Matt talks about the end times. All you have to do is know the difference between "but before all these" and "Then"
As long as you don't do a Zeke on these words and change the meaning you should be able to understand.
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I disagree.

Perhaps it would be best just to make a seperate thread on that.
Will try to do that when I get time.



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Choose Wisely

Are you blind? Let me take the liberty to answer for you....yes spiritually. Why is it that those who claim everything is spiritual are spiritually blind.

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Originally Posted by Choose Wisely

Are you blind? Let me take the liberty to answer for you....yes spiritually. Why is it that those who claim everything is spiritual are spiritually blind.
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Hello pot, meet kettle....



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[ebedmelech]

A prophet speaks and Joe writes

There will come a time that in one week there will be and a world wide earthquake and then rain, hail, snow and sleet in every part of the world. But before all these there will be darkness on the earth for 7 days from a volcano.

A month later a prophet speaks and Bill writes

There will come a time that in one week there will be and a world wide earthquake and then rain, hail, snow and sleet in every part of the world.
After these things there will be darkness on the earth for 7 days from a cloud.

I know you think they are talking about the same thing......but they are not.

The only really problem that I see in what you believe is that it does not agree with the Bible.....in countless places. But go ahead and turn a blind eye to the truth. Lie to yourself and believe this foolishness.

That doesn't make your case either. However I won't allege (like you), that because someone doesn't see the scripture as I do, that they "lie to themselves". That would be quite presumptive of me.

Living as a Christian means coming to more understanding as we grow. I don’t agree with your approach to these passages, but far be it from me to try to classify how you believe because God grows us all up. I'll leave that to Him.

This is my last response on this...

You compare the passages Matthew 24, 25....Mark 13...and Luke 21 to determine if they're the same event. Knowing Luke's account is from eyewitnesses, and he was not there. Luke would be like a reporter.

Event's recorded, that are the same leading up to the Olivet discourse:

* Jesus authority is questioned - Matthew 20:23, Luke 20:1, Mark 11:27

*The "parable of the vine grower" Matthew 21:23, Luke 20:9, Mark 12:1

*The question on paying taxes to Caesar - Matthew 22:16, Luke 20:19, Mark 12:13

* The question on resurrection from the Sadducess - Matthew 22:23, Mark 12:18, Luke 20:27

*The question "Whos son is Christ?" - Matthew 22:41, Mark 12:35, Luke 20:41

*The "widow's mite" - Mark 12:41, Luke 21:1

Those events all lead up to Jesus giving the Olivet Discourse. With the exception of the "widow's mite", all three record them before the Olivet Discourse is given.

This tells you they're speaking of the same event when the Olivet Discourse is given.

They record the same events for the most part, so how is it the Olivet Discourse is not the same event?

They all say they were at the temple:

*Matthew 24:1 - Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.

Mark 13:1 - As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples *said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”

Luke 24:5 - 5 And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,

The preponderance of the evidence says these writers are addressing the same event with different focus.

Believe what you want…but I see the same event.

 

[Kingdom_Come]

This being Passover, I feel this is the perfect time to focus on why just as Jesus fulfilled the Passover, He fulfilled the temple too!

Many that hold that there will be a 3rd temple are hard pressed to justify that from scripture.

They lean quite heavily on Ezekiel 40-48. A temple that is in a vision to Ezekiel, in which Ezekiel is escorted by "a man" with a rod.

When it comes to the NT the temple fades away. This starts with Jesus declaring Himself to be the temple. Jesus makes this declaration in Matthew 12:6 as He confronts the Phariseees:
6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Jesus is greater than the temple because every sacrifice offered at this temple pointed to Him!!! Hebrews 9:11, 12 makes this point:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Jesus is the perfect tabernacle/temple “not of this creation”, and through His own blood, He entered the holy place “ONCE AND FOR ALL” obtained “ETERNAL REDEMPTION.

Notice the finality in “once and for all”…this means there will be no more! So what use is a third temple??? It has no use!!!

Jesus also called Himself the temple in John 2:19:
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

That is sufficient to start this discussion of why there will be no third temple!!!

And yet we read:

“Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thes 2:4)

“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” (Rev 11:1-2)