Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

[ebedmelech]

This being Passover, I feel this is the perfect time to focus on why just as Jesus fulfilled the Passover, He fulfilled the temple too!

Many that hold that there will be a 3rd temple are hard pressed to justify that from scripture.

They lean quite heavily on Ezekiel 40-48. A temple that is in a vision to Ezekiel, in which Ezekiel is escorted by "a man" with a rod.

When it comes to the NT the temple fades away. This starts with Jesus declaring Himself to be the temple. Jesus makes this declaration in Matthew 12:6 as He confronts the Phariseees:
6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Jesus is greater than the temple because every sacrifice offered at this temple pointed to Him!!! Hebrews 9:11, 12 makes this point:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Jesus is the perfect tabernacle/temple “not of this creation”, and through His own blood, He entered the holy place “ONCE AND FOR ALL” obtained “ETERNAL REDEMPTION.

Notice the finality in “once and for all”…this means there will be no more! So what use is a third temple??? It has no use!!!

Jesus also called Himself the temple in John 2:19:
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

That is sufficient to start this discussion of why there will be no third temple!!!

 

[Douggg]

11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Jesus is the perfect tabernacle/temple “not of this creation”, and through His own blood, He entered the holy place “ONCE AND FOR ALL” obtained “ETERNAL REDEMPTION.

Notice the finality in “once and for all”…this means there will be no more! So what use is a third temple??? It has no use!!!

It's not talking about an earthy temple in those verses. It is talking about Jesus entering the heavenly temple. The earthly temple originating with Moses was a pattern of the heavenly. The earthly temples were never entered into by Christ at his resurrection. The "once and for all" means that his death was a one time good for ever sacrifice, unlike the animals which had to be done over and over.


Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

What I want to know from you is, where in any of those verses does it say there is not going to be a third earthly temple.

Doug

 

[ebedmelech]

It's not talking about an earthy temple in those verses. It is talking about Jesus entering the heavenly temple. The earthly temple originating with Moses was a pattern of the heavenly. The earthly temples were never entered into by Christ at his resurrection. The "once and for all" means that his death was a one time good for ever sacrifice, unlike the animals which had to be done over and over.

Thanks for making my point. Now Jesus made the point when He spoke with "the woman at the well", that the time has come for SPIRITUAL WORSHIP. This is a huge reason that it is error to even consider another temple. Jesus fulfills the the physical. Notice He ushers in spiritual worship in John 4:21-25:
21 Jesus *said to her, Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
First, Jesus says Mt Gerazim (where they were), as well as Jerusalem are becoming insignificant as places of worship. Jesus has declared spiritual worship...we are not to look to mountains or temples!

Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

What I want to know from you is, where in any of those verses does it say there is not going to be a third earthly temple.

The point Doug, is give me ONE PLACE where Jesus or the apostles say there will be a third temple...YOU CAN'T!!!

To answer your question though, I give you Jesus and the church as the temple!

Jesus declared Himself to be the temple...and again as He turned the focus to the spiritual, the apostles followed that!

Paul makes it clear! Let's start with 1 Corinthians 3:16:
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

What do you do with that Doug??

 

[Marantha]

This is one of those subjects where there really is no clear, definite answer in the Word.

Doug, it does not say specifically; but perhaps it is implied. Implying is very common for expressing many things in the Word as I am sure you know also. Any thing the scripture mentions as being SO automatically establishes that the opposite is NOT SO. Also vise/versa. This is implication.

Ebedmelech is stating that it is implied that there will be no third temple. The Word does say in at least 4 places that we, as Saints, are now the Temple of God after the sacrifice Christ made for us (written in humility, thank you God).

I can see both sides of this matter very clearly, and the evidence is somewhat unclear on whether there will be a 3rd temple or not. I tend to lean towards no, but in order for the Jews to accept the antichrist as the messiah it may be necessary for another temple to be built.

Certainly Satan, inhabiting the antichrist, would want to be honored with a temple by the Jews, being as he imitates everything God does.

I believe we will have to wait and see on this; but not long at all.

Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

the thing is that the original temple was where Yahweh was, and spoke directly to people, from where the ark of the covenant was.
I don't see why there cant be another temple built during the millennium, as the focus of where Yahweh will be present on the earth again, perhaps.

but there wont be built any third temple before the return of Christ, and it wouldn't be the temple of God, if it was built, but more like an abomination.
that's why the Christians never built a church there on the temple mount; there was opportunity to do that, but they were aware that doing that wouldn't be right.

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

I believe we will have to wait and see on this; but not long at all.

Now this makes no sense. Since you believe that we are half way through the 70th week and about to begin 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. It would be impossible for a 3rd Temple to be built in time for your order of events as it would take much longer than 5 years to build a temple. The Mormon temple in Salt Lake City took 40 years to complete. Surely a 3rd Jewish temple would be greater.

 

[Douggg]

Paul makes it clear! Let's start with 1 Corinthians 3:16:
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

What do you do with that Doug??

But I am not a earthly temple of stone and mortar. The third temple as far as bible prophecy goes will be a earthly temple of stone and mortar.

If I were counting Christians, as each being a temple of God, I would not only have to count a third temple, but upward into the millions of temples.


Doug

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Now this makes no sense. Since you believe that we are half way through the 70th week and about to begin 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. It would be impossible for a 3rd Temple to be built in time for your order of events as it would take much longer than 5 years to build a temple. The Mormon temple in Salt Lake City took 40 years to complete. Surely a 3rd Jewish temple would be greater.

that's right, there isn't time to build a poxy unbelievers temple, for Obama to go in and defile, it isn't about that, that theory is so Hal Lindsey.

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

But I am not a earthly temple of stone and mortar. The third temple as far as bible prophecy goes will be a earthly temple of stone and mortar.

If I were counting Christians, as each being a temple of God, I would not only have to count a third temple, but upward into the millions of temples.


Doug

The body of Christ collectively is the temple of God.

Here is evidence of that:

Ephesians 2:20-22
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[Marantha]

Now this makes no sense. Since you believe that we are half way through the 70th week and about to begin 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. It would be impossible for a 3rd Temple to be built in time for your order of events as it would take much longer than 5 years to build a temple. The Mormon temple in Salt Lake City took 40 years to complete. Surely a 3rd Jewish temple would be greater.

It is said by many the 3rd temple is already pre-constructed and ready to be placed. It could be placed in a very short amount of time if the opportunity is made.

There could also be placed a portable tabernacle, as was in the wilderness, while preparing the 3rd Temple for the antichrist.

Unity in Christ
Marantha

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

they'd have to bulldoze the dome of the rock.. 'taint gonna happen. no way jose, they don't even let any non muslims up on the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

Now this makes no sense. Since you believe that we are half way through the 70th week and about to begin 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. It would be impossible for a 3rd Temple to be built in time for your order of events as it would take much longer than 5 years to build a temple. The Mormon temple in Salt Lake City took 40 years to complete. Surely a 3rd Jewish temple would be greater.

For purposes of fulfilling bible prophesy, the size of structure needed for the holy room and the holy of holies room would only need to be approximately 15 by 30 ft. Which would take only about a month at the most, assuming that many of the stones have already been cut.


Doug

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

It is said by many the 3rd temple is already pre-constructed and ready to be placed.

Is this one of those "I heard it on the internet so it must be true" sayings? Just because "many say" there is a pre-constructed 3rd temple doesn't make it true. Show me real concrete evidence otherwise we could just say anything and assume it as truth.

I would hope that if a 3rd temple was built they would spend years constructing it.

 

[Douggg]

they'd have to bulldoze the dome of the rock.. 'taint gonna happen. no way jose, they don't even let any non muslims up on the temple mount.

Following Gog/Magog, it won't be an issue. Dome of the Rock can be removed in two days. (My background is civil engineering btw)

Doug

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

For purposes of fulfilling bible prophesy, the size of structure needed for the holy room and the holy of holies room would only need to be approximately 15 by 30 ft. Which would take only about a month at the most, assuming that many of the stones have already been cut.


Doug

Seems an unlikely scenario. That isn't really a 3rd temple now is it?

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

how are they going to build a temple with the dome of the rock smack in the middle? its just wishful thinking. people just want the third temple, so that Obama can go and defile it, like Antiochus.

 

[Douggg]

Seems an unlikely scenario. That isn't really a 3rd temple now is it?

It certainly is not the one that they have architectual plans for at the templemount.org site. About 5 years ago, maybe longer, I wrote them and ask them whether they had obtained the services of an architect and had detailed drawings - and they said they a architect selected and plans in progress. I would have to check their site to see the current status.

Regarding the 3rd temple, as a basic structure, I am talking about expendency to start animal sacrifices again in a post Gog/Magog euphoric setting with the perceived messiah on hand.


Doug

 

[Douggg]

how are they going to build a temple with the dome of the rock smack in the middle? its just wishful thinking. people just want the third temple, so that Obama can go and defile it, like Antiochus.

After Gog/Magog there will be no Muslim presence on the temple mount. The Dome of the Rock will be a vacated structure that can be demolished in a couple of days.

Gog/Magog ends Islam.


Doug

 

[ebedmelech]

This is one of those subjects where there really is no clear, definite answer in the Word.

Yes there is! All you have to do is acknowledge what the scripture says! Look at these verse in the NT yelling you the temple of God is NOW a spiritual temple:

Paul declared in the "Sermon on Mars Hill" that God NO LONGER dwells in temples:
Acts 17:24-29;
24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;
25nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’
29 Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

That declaration tells us that God was no longer dwelling in physical temples!

The temple is present in all believers:
1 Corinthians 3:16, 17:
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

1 Corinthians 6:19:
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

Ephesians 2;19 22 tells us the church is a temple being built upon Jesus and the apostles:
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Peter agrees with Paul! He says we are a temple too...we are "living stones" being built into a temple.
1 Peter 2:4, 5:
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

The church has replaced the temple! This is what is being stated spiritually!

*We are a spiritual temple!

*We are a spiritual sacrifice to God through Jesus!

The spiritual becomes the reality!!!

Doug, it does not say that; but that is pretty normal for many things in the Word. Any thing the scripture mentions as being SO automatically establishes that the opposite is NOT SO. It is also vise/versa.

Ebedmelech is stating that it is implied that there will be no third temple. The Word does say in at least 4 places that we, as Saints, are now the Temple of God after the sacrifice Christ made for us (written in humility, thank you God).

I can see both sides of this matter very clearly, and the evidence is somewhat unclear on whether there will be a 3rd temple or not. I tend to lean towards no, but in order for the Jews to accept the antichrist as the messiah it may be necessary for another temple to be built.

Certainly Satan, inhabiting the antichrist, would want to be honored with a temple by the Jews, being as he imitates everything God does.

I believe we will have to wait and see on this; but not long at all.

Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

I gave my references, they clearly state the temple is all believers in the NT, as the shift becomes spiritual and not physical.

*Jesus fulfills ALL temple worship! He becomes the focus over the temple.

*Sacrifice is now all believers in whom God, the Holy Spirit dwells, and our service to God, which is Romans 12:1:
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

You will find no significance of a physical temple from Jesus nor the apostles! There is nothing of the building of a third temple...NOTHING!!!

Why?

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

The church has replaced the temple!

That is my understanding as well.