Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

[Douggg]

Take your time and compare Ezekiel's Temple vision with Rev 21 & 22.

There will be no temple...and BTW...Christ entered the Holy of Holies, it's called heaven. Try Hebrews 9.

Hi eb, I don't think there are any seas in Revelation 21:1. In Ezekiel 47:8, I think those living waters eventually flow into what is now the Dead Sea.

Doug

 

[dfw69]

Take your time and compare Ezekiel's Temple vision with Rev 21 & 22.

Ezek temple is not built during the new heaven new earth period ... It is built during the millennium ... A period that you deny will take place....After the millennium the temple is taken down ... Because the true city of god will be coming from above... And gods house will be with men... Ezek temple will. Represent the future house of god to come...the temple is not used for atonement ...the holy of holies will be Christ throne room

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ezek temple is not built during the new heaven new earth period ... It is built during the millennium ... A period that you deny will take place....After the millennium the temple is taken down ... Because the true city of god will be coming from above... And gods house will be with men... Ezek temple will. Represent the future house of god to come...the temple is not used for atonement ...the holy of holies will be Christ throne room

There will be no temple...and BTW...Christ entered the Holy of Holies, it's called heaven. Try Hebrews 9.

[/quote]Where does it show the temple and sanctuary being taken down, and how will that occur?



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[dfw69]

Where does it show the temple and sanctuary being taken down, and how will that occur?



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Good question

My guess would be when the fire from heaven burns up all structure

 

[ebedmelech]

Hi eb, I don't think there are any seas in Revelation 21:1. In Ezekiel 47:8, I think those living waters eventually flow into what is now the Dead Sea.

Doug

Here's a couple of hints Doug:

John 4:13, 14
13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again;
14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”

John 7:37, 38
37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”

Try that.

 

[dfw69]

Here's a couple of hints Doug:

John 4:13, 14
13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again;
14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”

John 7:37, 38
37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”

Try that.

Some say he is refering to the Holy Spirit other say the word of god or New Testament teachings... Both give eternal life

still these scriptures does not prove that no water will exist in the new world... Sea will end..so no islands....but rivers will still exist and fountains of water underneath the earth...to drink..the nations of the world and the new generations to come still need food and water... Not sure about the glaciers .... Which now make up for 75% of topsoil fresh water... If there are rivers in the new world more than likely glaciers will still exist...

 

[zeke37]

you guys are thinking way to literally

 

[dfw69]

you guys are thinking way to literally

I say the same for y'all .. ... You guys are way to symbolic...like you graduated from Kabbala school

 

[ebedmelech]

Ezek temple is not built during the new heaven new earth period ... It is built during the millennium ... A period that you deny will take place....After the millennium the temple is taken down ... Because the true city of god will be coming from above... And gods house will be with men... Ezek temple will. Represent the future house of god to come...the temple is not used for atonement ...the holy of holies will be Christ throne room

Where does Ezekiel say this temple is to be built??? He's led through a vision, and the temple is already existent in the city of the vision. Try Ezekiel 40:1-7.

Some say he is refering to the Holy Spirit other say the word of god or New Testament teachings... Both give eternal life

Hold to the context of both and you can understand. In each case WHO is providing the water???

still these scriptures does not prove that no water will exist in the new world... Sea will end..so no islands....but rivers will still exist and fountains of water underneath the earth...to drink..the nations of the world and the new generations to come still need food and water... Not sure about the glaciers .... Which now make up for 75% of topsoil fresh water... If there are rivers in the new world more than likely glaciers will still exist...

The problem is...who said anything about the sea? I didn't...Doug did. I spoke of "living water" which flows from the Lord. That's where Doug's already off track...because this is "spiritual water" and the context affirms that. So when Jesus doesn't even mention the Dead Sea or anything else...why is he doing that????

Examine Rev 22:1-3

 

[dfw69]

Where does Ezekiel say this temple is to be built??? He's led through a vision, and the temple is already existent in the city of the vision. Try Ezekiel 40:1-7.

he saw a vision of the future....a vision of a city and temple that has not been built ... He then is required by god to give all the demensions so we can already have the plans... Christ builds this city when he returns...but they shall seek to build it beforehand during a false messianic age

Hold to the context of both and you can understand. In each case WHO is providing the water???

Jesus... He did so by sending the Holy Spirit Peter said something about this... But also the word of god is like water...

The problem is...who said anything about the sea? I didn't...Doug did. I spoke of "living water" which flows from the Lord. That's where Doug's already off track...because this is "spiritual water" and the context affirms that. So when Jesus doesn't even mention the Dead Sea or anything else...why is he doing that????

I know I was agreeing with him.... There is no more sea in the new earth...but a river of life flows out of the holy city... Yes I believe this is an actual river

But during the millennium ... A river does flow out of ezek city into the Dead Sea and the Dead Sea will have fish and not be salty...it is restored in the millenium...I believe that's what Doug was refering to....the millenium city of ezek...but there is no sea during the new earth period

 

[Interplanner]

none of the ordinary-language passages in the NT about the future mention a millenium. Nor would they need to. It all rests on a highly symbolic work written to support believers who went through the roughest period of history known at the time--the 7th decade of the 1st century.

By ordinary-language passages, I mean I Cor 15, Rom 8 and 11, 2 Peter 3, Heb 9

--Inter

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by zeke37

you guys are thinking way to literally
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I say the same for y'all .. ... You guys are way to symbolic...like you graduated from Kabbala school

And some can be both

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell.
Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching.

Those who insist that this is not a parable but a true, literal story Yeshua told to describe the condition of the lost in hell must overlook several facts to arrive at that conclusion.
First, Yeshua the Messiah never accuses the rich man of any sin. He is simply portrayed as a wealthy man who lived the good life. Furthermore, Lazarus is never proclaimed to be a righteous man. He is just one who had the misfortune to be poor and unable to care for himself. If this story is literal, then the logical implication is that all the rich are destined to burn in hell, while all the homeless and destitute will be saved. Does anyone believe this to be the case?

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The story of the rich man and Lazarus is without doubt one of the most misunderstood of all the stories in the Bible. Is it a parable, or an actual statement of facts concerning life beyond the grave? It is strenuously denied by most evangelists that this story, as told by Christ, could be a parable.
They hold that this is not a parable because it starts out in narrative form. It is argued, because it reads, "there was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day," that Christ is speaking here of an actual incident that took place. But in the parable of the prodigal son, in the fifteenth chapter of Luke, the narrative introduction is found also, for it says, "A certain man had two sons..." Yet it is generally conceded that the story of the prodigal son is a parable and all the fundamentalist preachers love to preach from its beautiful figures, thus applying it as a parable.
Jesus continually spoke in parables. A parable is an analogy - a simile, representation or analogous story - which could even be a fable, so long as it is used to illustrate certain essential points of TRUTH. An analogy is not necessarily the truth all by itself - but is analogous to the TRUTH which it helps to illustrate. For instance, a person might say, "My wife is a regular rabbit." This is a metaphor, or a parable; but we would not conclude from this statement that his wife had two long ears and four feet and that she hopped about clad in fur, but would simply come to the conclusion that this lady is a great lover of vegetables perhaps even a vegetarian. If we were to push the parable to its ultimate analysis, the woman would cease to be a woman and would become an animal.



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[ebedmelech]

he saw a vision of the future....a vision of a city and temple that has not been built ... He then is required by god to give all the demensions so we can already have the plans... Christ builds this city when he returns...but they shall seek to build it beforehand during a false messianic age

I think you've presumed upon the passage. The temple is being built with every believer that is saved. Christ is the cornerstone, the apostles are the foundation, and believers are living stones.

Jesus... He did so by sending the Holy Spirit Peter said something about this... But also the word of god is like water...

Think about it this way...in eternity, we are with God and the Lord Jesus forever...so the "living water" flows forever.

I know I was agreeing with him.... There is no more sea in the new earth...but a river of life flows out of the holy city... Yes I believe this is an actual river

What would be the difference in a "river of life", and "river's of living water"?

But during the millennium ... A river does flow out of ezek city into the Dead Sea and the Dead Sea will have fish and not be salty...it is restored in the millenium...I believe that's what Doug was refering to....the millenium city of ezek...but there is no sea during the new earth period

Yet and still you miss the point of Revelation 21 and 22...they are the same thing as Ezekiel. Compare the two.

 

[dfw69]

I think you've presumed upon the passage. The temple is being built with every believer that is saved. Christ is the cornerstone, the apostles are the foundation, and believers are living stones.

Now you presume this one temple is symbolic of the spiritual temple of the church

Ezek temple is literal for a specific time...

the building Christ builds a with Jewish foundations of law and prophets him being chief cornerstone of a building of a house whose house we are... Is a spiritual temple ...

Jesus builds and does diffent things at different times...

He now builds a house ....a temple that will one day reside in heaven ...a wheat harvest to be taken into his barn...a new man of gentile and Jew in Christ ...
He prepares a place in his fathers house for believers ...

He builds a city with a temple when he returns and will rule the nations from that city

Think about it this way...in eternity, we are with God and the Lord Jesus forever...so the "living water" flows forever.

Out of the belly...it flows rivers of living water....so eternity ?... Yeah I bye that

What would be the difference in a "river of life", and "river's of living water"?

Good question ...one speaks of eternal life...(out of the belly) clearly symbolism of a work Jesus does within a believer

The river of life is an actual river ....that people will drink and this water gives life...no man lives without water... 3 days without water and people will die... People born into the kingdom still need water...the river of life may have vitamins that our water today does not have... Same as the trees with leaves whose photosynthesis will heal the nations...and not just provide oxygen and fruit

Yet and still you miss the point of Revelation 21 and 22...they are the same thing as Ezekiel. Compare the two.

I have ....and no ... They are not the same...one comes down from heaven and its called new Jerusalem ... Ezek city is built by Christ during the millenium

One city is built during the messianic age (millennium 1000 year reign)...one city is from heaven and comes during new earth new heaven.... One has a temple.... One does not need a temple... One the nations will honor feast and bring offerings to the temple... In the other ... Offering are to god himself for he is the temple

 

[ebedmelech]

Now you presume this one temple is symbolic of the spiritual temple of the church

John certainly tells us what that is! It's right there in Revelation 21:9:
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

Now...notice who it is...Rev 21:10, 11:
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.

Surely you know who the "bride of Christ" is? So it is a spiritual temple. All you do us let the scriptures speak.

Paul has intimated that in Ephesians 2:21, 22:
21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Ezek temple is literal for a specific time...

the building Christ builds a with Jewish foundations of law and prophets him being chief cornerstone of a building of a house whose house we are... Is a spiritual temple ...

Jesus builds and does diffent things at different times...

He now builds a house ....a temple that will one day reside in heaven ...a wheat harvest to be taken into his barn...a new man of gentile and Jew in Christ ...
He prepares a place in his fathers house for believers ...

He builds a city with a temple when he returns and will rule the nations from that city:

No. They are the same. Notice "the man with the measuring rod" is leading both in their visions. Notice he carries both to a "high mountain".

Same thing.

Out of the belly...it flows rivers of living water....so eternity ?... Yeah I bye that

Good question ...one speaks of eternal life...(out of the belly) clearly symbolism of a work Jesus does within a believer

Glad we agree. The water is provided in the Lord Jesus.

The river of life is an actual river ....that people will dring and this water gives life...no man lives without water... 3 days without water and people will die... People born into the kingdom still need water...the river of life may have vitamins that our water today does not have... Same as the trees with leaves whose photosynthesis will heal the nations...and not just provide oxygen and fruit

No. One has to read carefully, or you miss it. Rev 22:1:
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,

God and Jesus ARE THE SOURCE of the water my friend. It's right there.

I have ....and no ... They are not the same...one comes down from heaven and its called new Jerusalem ... Ezek city is built by Christ during the millenium

One has a temple.... One does not need a temple... One the nations will honor feast and bring offerings to the temple... In the other ... Offering are to god himself for he is the temple

That's because in Ezekiel's vision CHRIST HAD NOT COME. In John's vision, He has. Christ is the temple.

 

[keras]

ebedmelech, you are very determined to refute the idea of another Temple. What you fail to realize is that people actually need something physical to worship in. For now, we have churches, etc. but as in ancient times the new Israelites, will once again build a Temple. 2Thess 2:4 says that the man of perdition, [the Anti-Christ] will enthrone himself in Gods Temple. You have to twist scripture to allegorize this and anyway it all fits with what Daniel prophesied and other clear verses, like Zech.6:15, Haggai 2:9.

 

[1disciple]

ebedmelech, you are very determined to refute the idea of another Temple. What you fail to realize is that people actually need something physical to worship in. For now, we have churches, etc. but as in ancient times the new Israelites, will once again build a Temple. 2Thess 2:4 says that the man of perdition, [the Anti-Christ] will enthrone himself in Gods Temple. You have to twist scripture to allegorize this and anyway it all fits with what Daniel prophesied and other clear verses, like Zech.6:15, Haggai 2:9.

If the Temple of God is in man, are you not allegorizing 2 Thess. 2:4 by saying that it will be a structure in Jerusalem? Or do you not yet perceive that the Mystery of Iniquity seeks to supplant even the Mystery of Ages in Christ? If Christ has raised all things up to spiritual planes, do you suppose Satan will content himself with remaining in some imagined building that does not even exist in Jerusalem? Was the Temple in Jerusalem not the allegory of the true Temple of God in man? Or is the Temple of God in man but a symbol of the true Temple in Jerusalem made from stone and wood? Does the horse drag the cart or does the cart drag the horse?

By Paul's relation of the Mysterion, it is clear that the Mystery of Iniquity may be briefly summed up in one phrase: "There is no God but man."

 

[ebedmelech]

ebedmelech, you are very determined to refute the idea of another Temple. What you fail to realize is that people actually need something physical to worship in. For now, we have churches, etc. but as in ancient times the new Israelites, will once again build a Temple. 2Thess 2:4 says that the man of perdition, [the Anti-Christ] will enthrone himself in Gods Temple. You have to twist scripture to allegorize this and anyway it all fits with what Daniel prophesied and other clear verses, like Zech.6:15, Haggai 2:9.

I'm not determined to do anything but heed the scriptures. We're on earth and we worship in buildings because it will separate us from the unbelievers, to worship in unity. There's no need for that in heaven because there's only believers.

I have to ask you this:

Why does Revelation 21:3 say this?:
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

With God dwelling among us...what need is this temple you speak of?

Also why does John say this in Revelation 21:22?:
22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Scripture doesn't seem to see a temple, except as Jesus.

Now this futurist view of an antichrist is another thing for another thread. Meantime...don't quote Zechariah, because Israel is in exile. He's speaking of the 2nd temple which became known as Herod's Temple. Try reading Ezra and Nehemiah.

As for Haggai 2...same thing...you'll find those guys Zerubbabel and Joshua building the temple in Ezra.

 

[dfw69]

John certainly tells us what that is! It's right there in Revelation 21:9:
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

Now...notice who it is...Rev 21:10, 11:
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.

Surely you know who the "bride of Christ" is? So it is a spiritual temple. All you do us let the scriptures speak.

Here is your first mistake...it's a city not a temple...are we a temple or a city?... I mean which is it?

Truth is ... We are citizens of that city and god is the temple..we are not the city itself ..we are citizens...nor are we the temple of that city...god is the temple

Paul has intimated that in Ephesians 2:21, 22:

21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

The Jewish tabernacle shows it to be a city and the temple within this city...it's symbolic of the new Jerusalem and god being the temple...so 2 things on earth...one is the tabernacle (city) and two is the temple (god living with man) and we shall live within this tabernacle (new Jerusalem )

No. They are the same. Notice "the man with the measuring rod" is leading both in their visions. Notice he carries both to a "high mountain".

Same thing.

Seems that way don't it?....but the demensions are different...one major description is the new Jerusalem is 1500 miles high ... The city in ezek is not...among other differences

No. One has to read carefully, or you miss it. Rev 22:1:
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,

God and Jesus ARE THE SOURCE of the water my friend. It's right there.

Bro ...god created the heavens and earth which is now...and he created rain...rain falls naturally from a process when clouds get heavy by collecting water from evaporation .... Now my question to you is ...where is the source from?

That's because in Ezekiel's vision CHRIST HAD NOT COME. In John's vision, He has. Christ is the temple.

Which is it?...Is christ or the bride or God the temple

 

[ebedmelech]

Here is your first mistake...it's a city not a temple...are we a temple or a city?... I mean which is it?

Are you reading the passage or imposing on it? Ezekiel 40:5:
5 And behold, there was a wall on the outside of the temple all around, and in the man’s hand was a measuring rod of six cubits, each of which was a cubit and a handbreadth.

The temple is in the city.

Truth is ... We are citizens of that city and god is the temple..we are not the city itself ..we are citizens...nor are we the temple of that city...god is the temple

Unfortunately you're still denying scripture because you don't make the correlation to the symbolism which is clearly there. You have a city, what is a city without people?

The Jewish tabernacle shows it to be a city and the temple within this city...it's symbolic of the new Jerusalem and god being the temple...so 2 things on earth...one is the tabernacle (city) and two is the temple (god living with man) and we shall live within this tabernacle (new Jerusalem )

No. Jerusalem is the city and the temple happens to be in the city. But even so Revelation 21:22 says there's not temple...so what's your point?

Seems that way don't it?....but the demensions are different...one major description is the new Jerusalem is 1500 miles high ... The city in ezek is not...among other differences

Are you sure? Try Ezekiel 48:30-35...and realize there's a difference in the unit of measure.

Bro ...god created the heavens and earth which is now...and he created rain...rain falls naturally from a process when clouds get heavy by collecting water from evaporation .... Now my question to you is ...where is the source from?

Your confusing things here. The river of "the water of life"...now tell me why if it's only water, is it called "the water of life". The fact that it's "the water of life"...should clue you in that this has spiritual application.

What do you think Jesus meant when he told the woman at the well "if you drink of this water, you will never thirst"???

Which is it?...Is christ the temple or the bride or God?

Where do you see a temple in New Jerusalem???. It tells you the Lord is the temple in Rev 21:22. You don't have a city without people my friend, so New Jerusalem is occupied with believers. surely you've read Hebrews 11:16:
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

Why do you think Hebrews 11:10 says Abraham was looking for that city?