Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

[dfw69]

Because Preterism is heresy.

Those who practice Heresy will not enter the kingdom of God.


JLB

That may be true or not... Idk

I am not the judge of the world.. God has one who will judge all things...I don't call anything heresy ... I let god be the righteous judge.. I will simply disagree with preterism...

Calling anything heresy gets me thinking of people who wish to judge and condemn in the name of religion...a thing that Jesus condemns.... Christians should not ever condemn to death.. Anyone that has will have to answer to god in the day of judgement ..IMO


And you can bet that when the false messianic age comes.. That will be the norm... People judging people to death...because of the laws coming out of Israel from a false messiah

 

[dfw69]

I'm concerned with what is true, whether preterist or futurist, if it's true, I accept it.

You think in a perfect world, saint's will have to live in buildings??? For what???

Those are not two different cities. Obviously you have not read those passages carefully. The same "man with the measuring rod" is walking Ezekiel and John through the same thing.

Have you read Revelation 21:2?
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

Do you not realize that is the church? She is the bride of Christ. That is not a literal city.

Glad you are for truth... So am I ... I don't want anyone deceived ....but all come to the truth...

In a perfect world?... We will be brought back into our bodies... We shall live again... We will be like Jesus ... Yes we will live in a city and reign with Christ and enjoy eternity ... Jesus can still embrace and eat , enjoy wine ...remember when they had a campfire by the beach after he arose?... Yeah we will live in homes and plant vineyards..

Ezek and John?...well hear me out... ezek city will be built twice...ezek city and temple will be built first by a false messiah... Then this city is measured(seen by John) for judgement ... But not until the final man of sin reigns in this future city in the final days...this future city is divided into 3 parts by an earthquake.... When Jesus returns ... He will rebuilt this city and its temple ...you follow me?... 2 future city's of Jerusalem... 2 temples to be built..ezek reveals the true messianic city and temple....John sees the false messianic city and temple

What is the bride of Christ?... The city from heaven in which we will live in ...the new Jerusalem...this is the final city of god from heaven... We are not the bride ... We are the bridegroom ... We are a new man... We are the body of Christ ... We are Christ..the body of Christ is not a woman...the actual bride of Christ is new Jerusalem ... A literal city... Just as the scripture says in rev that you pointed out...

During the false messianic age the false messiah will seek to self fulfill the prophecy of ezek city and temple....then later ..the man of sin will come and seek this city for his own... And judgement will fall because of this...John sees this vision taking place

When this city is destroyed... Jesus will rebuild the city and temple.. This is the true fulfillment of what god intended in ezek vision....for Jesus to built the city... No one else!!!... Yet a false messiah will try to establish what does not belong to him...and later... A man of sin ,a gentile, will come to take the city for himself and sit in the temple and place an idol in the temple ...and claim to be god...

 

[dfw69]

Why Preterism is not an accurate interpretation of Bible Prophecy

 

[ebedmelech]

Glad you are for truth... So am I ... I don't want anyone deceived ....but all come to the truth...

In a perfect world?... We will be brought back into our bodies... We shall live again... We will be like Jesus ... Yes we will live in a city and reign with Christ and enjoy eternity ... Jesus can still embrace and eat , enjoy wine ...remember when they had a campfire by the beach after he arose?... Yeah we will live in homes and plant vineyards..

No...I think not. The curse will not be upon creation anymore, therefore what need is there for shelter? In the restoration of all things we will be like Adam and Eve, we will not have deal with weather as we see today in this cursed creation. Also in the restoration what need is there to kill animals for food? It will be restored and we will not be carnivores.

Ezek and John?...well hear me out... ezek city will be built twice...ezek city and temple will be built first by a false messiah... Then this city is measured(seen by John) for judgement ... But not until the final man of sin reigns in this future city in the final days...this future city is divided into 3 parts by an earthquake.... When Jesus returns ... He will rebuilt this city and its temple ...you follow me?... 2 future city's of Jerusalem... 2 temples to be built..ezek reveals the true messianic city and temple....John sees the false messianic city and temple

What scriptural foundation have you for such a view? It's certainly not in Ezekiel. Jesus prophesied "many will come in my name" so this idea you have is definitely a futurist view that ignores what scripture is actually revealing spiritually. However...I await your scriptural support fo such a view.

What is the bride of Christ?... The city from heaven in which we will live in ...the new Jerusalem...this is the final city of god from heaven... We are not the bride ... We are the bridegroom ... We are a new man... We are the body of Christ ... We are Christ..the body of Christ is not a woman...the actual bride of Christ is new Jerusalem ... A literal city... Just as the scripture says in rev that you pointed out...

The "bride of Christ" is all Christians...one of many metaphors used of us in scripture. Jesus calls himself the bridegroom, so the church is the bride!

New Jerusalem is all believers, that's why Paul says "the Jerusalem above is free, she is our mother". Make the correlation.

During the false messianic age the false messiah will seek to self fulfill the prophecy of ezek city and temple....then later ..the man of sin will come and seek this city for his own... And judgement will fall because of this...John sees this vision taking place

You're in and have been in the Messianic age since Christ was born into the world. Upon his sacrifice for sin, God gave Jesus all authority...the time is now Messiah reigns now. There have been many false messiahs...and will be.

When this city is destroyed... Jesus will rebuild the city and temple.. This is the true fulfillment of what god intended in ezek vision....for Jesus to built the city... No one else!!!... Yet a false messiah will try to establish what does not belong to him...and later... A man of sin ,a gentile, will come to take the city for himself and sit in the temple and place an idol in the temple ...and claim to be god...

The city has been destroyed...and the Dome of the Rock is your reminder. Nothing remains of the temple, and there will be no temple, you will find out the temple God is building is all believers. Jesus is the Cornerstone.

We'll just see as it plays out.

As for this:

Why Preterism is not an accurate interpretation of Bible Prophecy

If I my eschatalogical view has to have a classification, it would be "partial preterist". I don't agree with all of preterism...this I do know...futurism is way off...but that's another debate.

When I was saved I started out in the futurist view...so I know what is taught of that, and I saw the problems of it. I found those problems right there in scripture as I was being taught it. The first church I attended was "Scofield Reference Bible" all the way...I'm glad I saw the error in that.

No one has their eschatology 100% right, and I do listen to other views. However futurism has huge problems starting out with denying the sufficiency of Christ sacrifice, thinking there will be another temple.
Then you have "Left Behind" crowd...no thanks...unscriptural in my view.

It will all come to light though, and as Paul says "we will know even as we are known.

 

[dfw69]

No...I think not. The curse will not be upon creation anymore, therefore what need is there for shelter? In the restoration of all things we will be like Adam and Eve, we will not have deal with weather as we see today in this cursed creation. Also in the restoration what need is there to kill animals for food? It will be restored and we will not be carnivores.

What?and what about clothes? Will we be naked as well as Adam and Eve were before the fall ?

The bible warns of a time when no one is given in marriage and abstain from meats...now I'm beginning to see why... It's referring to the coming false messianic age

◄ 1 Timothy 4:3 ►
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Seems like you believe in the messianic age... There will be no marriage ... Probably because Jesus said that in the resurrection they are not given in marriage but are as the angels..no doubt a false resurrection will somehow take place to convince a new age had began

What scriptural foundation have you for such a view? It's certainly not in Ezekiel. Jesus prophesied "many will come in my name" so this idea you have is definitely a futurist view that ignores what scripture is actually revealing spiritually. However...I await your scriptural support fo such a view.

The "bride of Christ" is all Christians...one of many metaphors used of us in scripture. Jesus calls himself the bridegroom, so the church is the bride!

New Jerusalem is all believers, that's why Paul says "the Jerusalem above is free, she is our mother". Make the correlation.

You're in and have been in the Messianic age since Christ was born into the world. Upon his sacrifice for sin, God gave Jesus all authority...the time is now Messiah reigns now. There have been many false messiahs...and will be.

The city has been destroyed...and the Dome of the Rock is your reminder. Nothing remains of the temple, and there will be no temple, you will find out the temple God is building is all believers. Jesus is the Cornerstone.

We'll just see as it plays out.

As for this:

If I my eschatalogical view has to have a classification, it would be "partial preterist". I don't agree with all of preterism...this I do know...futurism is way off...but that's another debate.

When I was saved I started out in the futurist view...so I know what is taught of that, and I saw the problems of it. I found those problems right there in scripture as I was being taught it. The first church I attended was "Scofield Reference Bible" all the way...I'm glad I saw the error in that.

No one has their eschatology 100% right, and I do listen to other views. However futurism has huge problems starting out with denying the sufficiency of Christ sacrifice, thinking there will be another temple.
Then you have "Left Behind" crowd...no thanks...unscriptural in my view.

It will all come to light though, and as Paul says "we will know even as we are known.

Preterism is the false doctrine ( one of many) that makes way for people to believe in a false messianic age ... It's the doctrine that supports the lies of the coming false messiah and false messianic age ..IMO

Yet when it happens ..the end is not yet...and sudden destruction will fall upon the future false messianic age... When they least expect it...

 

[Choose Wisely]

However futurism has huge problems starting out with denying the sufficiency of Christ sacrifice, thinking there will be another temple.
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It is your interpretation that is in error. We do not believe there will be another Temple because we are denying anything about Christs sacrifice. We believe there will be another Temple because God says there will be. Do you think that God will not deal with His ELECT, His Chosen People? There will be another Temple because the Church will be raptured Pre trib, just like the word says, and out of this chaos the Temple will be rebuilt. And all the things that God says about Jerusalem will come to pass.

 

[dfw69]

Preterism paves the way for either a coming false man of sin or the false messiah of Israel ... Either way...in the end of all the chaos...a false king of Israel rules and a false messianic age is upon us with all lying and deceptive powers at their disposal ....the golden age will be a lie forced upon us...

During this period of a false messianic age... 10 kingdoms form... Babylon rises...a new city of Jerusalem and its new temple rises ...and persecution rises....and this era last a short space..what is a short space? ...70 100 300 years ?..who knows?.....then the final antichrist comes....

 

[ebedmelech]

What?and what about clothes? Will we be naked as well as Adam and Eve were before the fall ?

We will be "changed" when we are received in glory. What that change encompasses is the removal of the "sin nature" we received from Adam. Therefore having no sin nature, it's very possible we will not need clothing. That remains to be seen. As the scripture says we will be "clothed with our dwelling in heaven" (1 Cor 5)

The bible warns of a time when no one is given in marriage and abstain from meats...now I'm beginning to see why... It's referring to the coming false messianic age

◄ 1 Timothy 4:3 ►
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Seems like you believe in the messianic age... There will be no marriage ... Probably because Jesus said that in the resurrection they are not given in marriage but are as the angels..no doubt a false resurrection will somehow take place to convince a new age had began

The "messianic age" came with Jesus...He is Messiah. Jesus is the "I Am"!

In 1 Timothy 4:3, Paul is warning Timothy of those things the Judaizers and others were teaching. Those teachings existed then have been present throughout the history of the church. All that is, is false teaching erroneously looked at in futurism because Paul says "In the latter days". Those were things Timothy would see. or else why would Paul be warning him. They are written so we too can recognize them, but Timothy saw those things too. Paul went on to warn Timothy of a false teaching in 2 Timothy 2:16-19 of two men that were saying the resurrection had already come.

The sooner you put yourself in the understanding that this was something Paul wrote to warn Timothy about, and then relate that to the church today, you will begin to apply it rightly.

Case in point would be 7th Day Adventism; they want to hold to the Sabbath, not understanding Christ fulfilled the Sabbath, and that we are free to set any day we wish apart to the Lord, as well as thinking dietary laws still apply today, even though the scripture says we can eat anything as long as we thank God for it. That's the proper application.

Preterism is the false doctrine ( one of many) that makes way for people to believe in a false messianic age ... It's the doctrine that supports the lies of the coming false messiah and false messianic age ..IMO

Yet when it happens ..the end is not yet...and sudden destruction will fall upon the future false messianic age... When they least expect it...

Actually no. Just as there is futurist false teachings, there are preterist false teachings.

What you speak of is "full preterism" which believes everything has been fulfilled. Just as you're erroneously looking to a "messianic age" (which has been since Christ came). That's another way futurism misses the boat. How does Christ come announcing Himself as Messiah, make atonement for sin, be received by the Father, who then gives Christ all authority...and yet you look for a messianic age? It's a contradiction of terms.

 

[ebedmelech]

It is your interpretation that is in error. We do not believe there will be another Temple because we are denying anything about Christs sacrifice. We believe there will be another Temple because God says there will be. Do you think that God will not deal with His ELECT, His Chosen People? There will be another Temple because the Church will be raptured Pre trib, just like the word says, and out of this chaos the Temple will be rebuilt. And all the things that God says about Jerusalem will come to pass.

What you believe is error. All you need do is compare Ezekiel 40 and Revelation 21. What you find is a "heavenly temple", that's where Ezekiel was in his vision...the very vision John is given also.

Have you done that?

Take a look:

Ezekiel 40:2:
2 In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city.

Revelation 21:10, 11:
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God.

Same thing! Next:

Ezekiel 40:3:
3 So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.

Revelation 21:15:
15 The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, and its gates and its wall.

These are the same! The only difference is in Ezekiel's vision there's a temple:
Ezekiel 40:5:
5 And behold, there was a wall on the outside of the temple all around, and in the man’s hand was a measuring rod of six cubits, each of which was a cubit and a handbreadth. So he measured the thickness of the wall, one rod; and the height, one rod.

In Revelation John sees no temple! Why? Because Christ is the temple:
Revelation 21:22, 23:
22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
23And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

So again I ask what would be the use of a temple when we have Christ? You say that you don't believe that, and yet that was the only purpose of the temple...sacrifice and worship.

*There will be no Pre-trib rapture. You have been taught that, but the scripture certainly doesn't teach it.

As the apostles didn't escape persecution...nor have Christians today escaped it. Living in America, where freedom of religion is embraced, we enjoy religious expression...but that time is slowly eroding in this country.

Try being a Palestinian Christian, or Iranian Christian, or a Christian in China, and then tell me about a pre trib rapture when Paul says "they who live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution".

 

[tranquil]

No 3rd Temple, eh?

Too bad nobody told these guys.

UCKG The Temple of King Solomon

Rebuilding Solomon's Temple, in São Paulo - NYTimes.com
Rebuilding Solomon’s Temple, in São Paulo

This week, as Jews around the world observed the fasting day of Tisha B’av, commemorating the destruction of the First and Second Jewish Temples in ancient Jerusalem, a Brazilian megachurch received planning permission to build a 10,000-seat replica of Solomon’s Temple in the city of São Paulo.

That was started back in July 2010 and is slated to start in May 2014.


Which has "nothing" to do with

Or the sign of the son of man in heaven (Rev 12 has Satan with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns in place before he is attacking the woman giving birth, meaning just before the little horn takes power from 9-26-17 through 3-9-21.)

That 3rd Temple/ Solomon's Temple in Brazil starts in May 2014. That is the at the start of the tribulation, not the end or mid-point.

By the logic of Ezekiel 43:25-27, the temple has to be cleansed for 7 years/ aka the 7 year tribulation period. Just as there is no temple necessary when the "body of Christ" temple has been purified through the 7 year "temple purification process", this temple will not exist past July 2017.

Then at the end of 2017, the Zionist temple will be set up. It won't need much time to set it up at all. It's a hologram:

Wired 12.04: Apocalypse Now

Made by Zionists. The HOPE - התקווה In strict accordance with the size of the Biblically accurate temple.

Christ will break the "covenant with Death and Hades" in the middle of the week/ this hologram temple will start the final 1290 days countdown.

...... in my opinion.

 

[timur123456789]

Why there be a physical coming of Jesus then while in many passages it says that he is a spirit and that he comes as a spirit ?

 

[Choose Wisely]

ebedmelech;62775913]

What you believe is error. All you need do is compare Ezekiel 40 and Revelation 21. What you find is a "heavenly temple", that's where Ezekiel was in his vision...the very vision John is given also.

Have you done that?

Take a look:

Ezekiel 40:2:
2 In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city.

Revelation 21:10, 11:
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God.

Same thing! Next:

Ezekiel 40:3:
3 So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.

Revelation 21:15:
15 The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, and its gates and its wall.

These are the same! The only difference is in Ezekiel's vision there's a temple:
Ezekiel 40:5:
5 And behold, there was a wall on the outside of the temple all around, and in the man’s hand was a measuring rod of six cubits, each of which was a cubit and a handbreadth. So he measured the thickness of the wall, one rod; and the height, one rod.

In Revelation John sees no temple! Why? Because Christ is the temple:
Revelation 21:22, 23:
22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
23And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

So again I ask what would be the use of a temple when we have Christ? You say that you don't believe that, and yet that was the only purpose of the temple...sacrifice and worship.

Why do we need a Temple when we have Christ? Well, we need it for the one to sit in the temple of God claiming to be God. Also, we need this to happen after it is prophesied and not before. The fact that Christ is a Temple does not prohibit a physical temple to be rebuilt. The Temple being Christ occurs after the physical Temple is built.

*There will be no Pre-trib rapture. You have been taught that, but the scripture certainly doesn't teach it.

Sorry I found the standard pre trib rapture teaching to be in error. I sit under no teacher as I have not found one that can explain the problems the pre trib model. The Tribulation and the Wrath of God are not the same. I was a post trib believer. However, once I studied deeper I found the post trib to be in error also. That's when I realized there was a pre trib and pre wrath rapture. I can find no error in that concept, and it explains all the weaknesses of the pre trib or post trib raptures. And scripture backs it up. It took me about 10 minutes of Bible study to find your beliefs to be in error. There is not even a chance that it can be correct.

As the apostles didn't escape persecution...nor have Christians today escaped it. Living in America, where freedom of religion is embraced, we enjoy religious expression...but that time is slowly eroding in this country.

Try being a Palestinian Christian, or Iranian Christian, or a Christian in China, and then tell me about a pre trib rapture when Paul says "they who live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution".

Try being a Jew during the Holocaust or better yet, during the Tribulation when God deals with his ELECT.
You should be able to find several Biblical reasons why your views are in error in this thread alone. Wouldn't it be better to accept the truth of the Word and put aside this foolishness. Why would you lie to yourself when it is so obvious?

 

[ebedmelech]

Why do we need a Temple when we have Christ? Well, we need it for the one to sit in the temple of God claiming to be God. Also, we need this to happen after it is prophesied and not before. The fact that Christ is a Temple does not prohibit a physical temple to be rebuilt. The Temple being Christ occurs after the physical Temple is built.

If you think so...but don't count on a temple.

Sorry I found the standard pre trib rapture teaching to be in error. I sit under no teacher as I have not found one that can explain the problems the pre trib model. The Tribulation and the Wrath of God are not the same. I was a post trib believer. However, once I studied deeper I found the post trib to be in error also. That's when I realized there was a pre trib and pre wrath rapture. I can find no error in that concept, and it explains all the weaknesses of the pre trib or post trib raptures. And scripture backs it up. It took me about 10 minutes of Bible study to find your beliefs to be in error. There is not even a chance that it can be correct.

The only rapture happening is on the last day.

Try being a Jew during the Holocaust or better yet, during the Tribulation when God deals with his ELECT.
You should be able to find several Biblical reasons why your views are in error in this thread alone. Wouldn't it be better to accept the truth of the Word and put aside this foolishness. Why would you lie to yourself when it is so obvious?

Actually the "several biblical reasons" point to why futurism is in error. Something you'll find out when Jesus returns and there's no temple...because He is the Precious Cornerstone and we are the living stones.

Just as 1 Peter 2;4-6 says:
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture:“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

The temple is the Lord Jesus, the apostles, the prophets, and the church.

Did you pick up on the fact that Peter is quoting Isaiah 28:16 in verse 6???

As you read the NT please notice that overwhelmingly after the four gospels, when the temple is spoken of, it's Christ and the church...why do you think that is?

 

[dfw69]

We will be "changed" when we are received in glory. What that change encompasses is the removal of the "sin nature" we received from Adam. Therefore having no sin nature, it's very possible we will not need clothing. That remains to be seen. As the scripture says we will be "clothed with our dwelling in heaven" (1 Cor 5)

I believe that there will be an end to the curse since the fall of man... But it takes place at the end after Jesus had reign 1000 years and after the last rebellion ..during the new heaven and new earth period

The "messianic age" came with Jesus...He is Messiah. Jesus is the "I Am"!

No the Messianic age has not began... Jews awaits the promise of their messiah...and god will send Christ to them and Jesus will reign from Israel ...governments rule the earth now ... Jesus now sits at the right hand of god... God will make Jesus enemies his footstool one day... And Jesus shall reign on earth when he returns...and the kingdoms of this world will be put down... This will last 1000 years...satan will be bound...and loose again after the 1000 years ... This 1000 year reign is the messianic age.

But before the millennium ... There will be some type of deception that causes many to fall away from the faith... They fall away from waiting on The Lord..they begin to judge ...for they believe its judgement day... For a false messiah has come and a false messianic age has began...In your case.. A false new heaven and new earth period...since you believe we are now in the messianic age..

In 1 Timothy 4:3, Paul is warning Timothy of those things the Judaizers and others were teaching. Those teachings existed then have been present throughout the history of the church. All that is, is false teaching erroneously looked at in futurism because Paul says "In the latter days". Those were things Timothy would see. or else why would Paul be warning him. They are written so we too can recognize them, but Timothy saw those things too. Paul went on to warn Timothy of a false teaching in 2 Timothy 2:16-19 of two men that were saying the resurrection had already come.

The sooner you put yourself in the understanding that this was something Paul wrote to warn Timothy about, and then relate that to the church today, you will begin to apply it rightly.

I believe it will have greater significance and have more application in the future during the false messianic or new heaven new earth deception ... When marriage will not be allowed... And meat will not be allowed due to new laws of a false messianic age...or during the new heaven and new earth deception

Actually no. Just as there is futurist false teachings, there are preterist false teachings.

What you speak of is "full preterism" which believes everything has been fulfilled. Just as you're erroneously looking to a "messianic age" (which has been since Christ came). That's another way futurism misses the boat. How does Christ come announcing Himself as Messiah, make atonement for sin, be received by the Father, who then gives Christ all authority...and yet you look for a messianic age? It's a contradiction of terms.

Yes we look to a future fulfillment because Jesus promised to return .. Remember when his disciples ask him now will you restore the kingdom to Israel? And Jesus said its not for you to know the times and seasons?... Jesus will restore the kingdom of David in Israel..this has not happened yet

It's not a contradiction when you understand that Christ must fulfill Old Testament prophecy as well as new...

So let me understand...partial preterist believe that all that remains to be fulfilled is the new heaven and new earth ? What exactly do you believe takes place at this time?
What I gather so far is .no curse.. No meat eating ..posibally No clothes...will there be marriage?.. Will god be here on earth ? Will the angels? A ressurrection? Judgement day?..what else?

 

[dfw69]

IMO it's dangerous to believe the preterist doctrine that almost all is fulfilled... It takes away from many truths of literal events that will eventually take place

So many false teachings come from preterism... It's no wonder that when Christ does appear many will be in shock ...for they will have believed that Christ has already come during the false messianic or new heaven and new earth deception...

Without the futurist teachings... The deceived will walk right into the deception given to them...that is truly sad

 

[ebedmelech]

I believe that there will be an end to the curse since the fall of man... But it takes place at the end after Jesus had reign 1000 years and after the last rebellion ..during the new heaven and new earth period

Jesus began His reign in Matthew 28:18 when He return to the disples and said:
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

When you have "all authority", please tell me how it can be you're not reigning.

Paul makes it pretty clear in Ephesians 1:18-22 that Christ reigns:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

That is Christ position right now...HE IS REIGNING!!!

No the Messianic age has not began... Jews awaits the promise of their messiah...and god will send Christ to them and Jesus will reign from Israel ...governments rule the earth now ... Jesus now sits at the right hand of god... God will make Jesus enemies his footstool one day... And Jesus shall reign on earth when he returns...and the kingdoms of this world will be put down... This will last 1000 years...satan will be bound...and loose again after the 1000 years ... This 1000 year reign is the messianic age... In your case... A false new heaven and new earth period...

Do you read the gospels? Jesus told the Jews several times He was their Messiah.

Just as God moved Kings and Empires to accomplish His purposes in the OT my friend Christ is doing that now.

As for your 1000 years, they are symbolic of the full time of the reign of Christ, as well as the binding of Satan.

I believe it will have greater significance and have more application in the future...during the false millennium ... When marriage will not be allowed... And meat will not be allowed due to new laws of a false messianic age...

No more than at any other time...and please give scriptural evidence for this "false millennium"...I don't no where you're getting that idea.

Yes we look to a future fulfillment because Jesus promised to return .. Remember when his disciples ask him now will you restore the kingdom to Israel? And Jesus said its not for you to know the times and seasons?... Jesus will restore the kingdom of David in Israel..this has not happened yet

Do you notice that Jesus didn't even address restoring the kingdom to Israel? Why do you think the apostles like Paul, Peter, James, and Jude don't even speak of Israel being restored?

It's not a contradiction when you understand that Christ must fulfill Old Testament prophecy as well as new...

Christ fulfilled the OT prophecies when He came. Then you also must understand there are OT prophecies that speak to the NT as when they will be fulfilled.

So let me partial preterist believe that all that remains to be fulfilled is the new heaven and new earth ? What exactly do you believe takes place at this time?

I believe that what remains to be fulfilled is the salvation of the Jews and the coming of Christ to judge the world.

What I gather so far is .no curse.. No meat eating ..posibally No clothes...will there be marriage?.. Will god be here on earth ? Will the angels? A resurrection? Judgement day?..what else?

There will be no marriage in eternity, remember that the prupose marriage was to multiply on earth.

There is resurrection on the last day which is judgement day Rev 20:11-15.

 

[dfw69]

Jesus began His reign in Matthew 28:18 when He return to the disples and said:
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

When you have "all authority", please tell me how it can be you're not reigning.[/QOUTE]

You can have authority and not yet exercise that given authority... But in a specific time Christ will cast down kingdoms and his government shall never end

[QUOTEPaul makes it pretty clear in Ephesians 1:18-22 that Christ reigns:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

That is Christ position right now...HE IS REIGNING!!!

no Obama is reigning in America .. Well ..governments are reigning the world ... Satan is still the prince and power of the air...look at the wars famines plagues look at all the evil in the world...it's not hard to see who is reigning the earth...

But you are correct... Jesus is reigning on all who put themselves under his commands... All who obey and accept Christ teachings are ruled by him... Those that deny him ... Rule themselves

Do you read the gospels? Jesus told the Jews several times He was their Messiah.

Jews will one day accept him as we now believe in him

Just as God moved Kings and Empires to accomplish His purposes in the OT my friend Christ is doing that now.

Do you think god is responsible for ww1 ww2 gulf war Vietnam war?.... I don't... Greed and power was responsible ...among many things...

As for your 1000 years, they are symbolic of the full time of the reign of Christ, as well as the binding of Satan.

Nope my friend this is future but as I said before we can't see eye to see so long as we have differ interpretations... Only time will reveal all things

No more than at any other time...and please give scriptural evidence for this "false millennium"...I don't no where you're getting that idea.

Perhaps I can give a better understanding on this another time..

Do you notice that Jesus didn't even address restoring the kingdom to Israel? Why do you think the apostles like Paul, Peter, James, and Jude don't even speak of Israel being restored?

Not true...Jesus said he will come again... The angels said he will come back as you see him go up in acts...Paul said Israel will be grafted back in and god has not cast away Israel forever ...John reveals many things to take place in Israel in rev... So the evidence is there... But you can't dismiss Old Testament scriptures that are unfulfilled

Christ fulfilled the OT prophecies when He came. Then you also must understand there are OT prophecies that speak to the NT as when they will be fulfilled.

This is a great error in preterism ... Not all fulfilled

I believe that what remains to be fulfilled is the salvation of the Jews and the coming of Christ to judge the world.


There will be no marriage in eternity, remember that the prupose marriage was to multiply on earth.

There is resurrection on the last day which is judgement day Rev 20:11-15.

What will the resurrection people look like? How will Jesus judge? By what standard? What law?...so no sexual relations? Will god be seen at this time? Will god be with man? What is new Jerusalem ? What will new heaven and new earth look like?

 

[ebedmelech]

no Obama is reigning in America .. Well ..governments are reigning the world ... Satan is still the prince and power of the air...look at the wars famines plagues look at all the evil in the world...it's not hard to see who is reigning the earth...

...and Nebuchadnezzar was reigning in Babylon when God moved Him against Judah to take them captive.

But you are correct... Jesus is reigning on all who put themselves under his commands... All who obey and accept Christ teachings are ruled by him... Those that deny him ... Rule themselves

Jesus said "all authority" was given Him in "heaven and on earth".

Do you think god is responsible for ww1 ww2 gulf war Vietnam war?.... I don't... Greed and power was responsible ...among many things...

Indeed I do, I just don't know God's full purpose in those wars. Did not God say he would bring Assyria against Israel and Babylon against Judah? Why would it be any different?

Not true...Jesus said he will come again... The angels said he will come back as you see him go up in acts...Paul said Israel will be grafted back in and god has not cast away Israel forever ...John reveals many things to take place in Israel in rev... So the evidence is there... But you can't dismiss Old Testament scriptures that are unfulfilled

I didn't deny that Jesus would return. I said "Jesus didn't address restoring the kingdom to Israel"...and He didn't. Jesus said in Acts 1:7:
“It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

What will the resurrection people look like?

I don't think we will look any different from how we looked at our prime but we will have bodies that don't age.

How will Jesus judge? By what standard? What law?

Romans 2:12:
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

...so no sexual relations?

No.

Will god be seen at this time? Will god be with man? What is new Jerusalem ? What will new heaven and new earth look like?

Those answers are in Revelation 21.

 

[dfw69]

I didn't deny that Jesus would return. I said "Jesus didn't address restoring the kingdom to Israel"...and He didn't. Jesus said in Acts 1:7:
“It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

So when Jesus returns where does he reign from?

Romans 2:12:
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

So all sin is judge in the new heaven and new earth... Who decides what sin is?.... Who are the judges?....the mosaic law judges Israel ... Does Muslim law judge Muslims sins committed?.. I don't understand what is 'sin without the law'

No.

....no sex?...by law?....by choice?...what happens if someone does commit a sexual act? What happens if one gets pregnant during these days ?....what happens to the married couples already married ? Are they forced to seperate?

 

[dfw69]

The new heaven and new earth era

No death
No sex
No children born
No pregnancy
No husband
No wife
No meat
No sin committed
Death for sin committed
No old age


No sex football or BBQ ? Someone kill me now! This world to come suxs!