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Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

DamianWarS

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If you mean God separating the Ten Commandments from all other laws, Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and then adding no more Deut 5:22 as I stated previously that will have to be taken up with Him.

The 10 represents the entire covenant. They are called the "tablets of covenant law" And bound to their covenant. They are placed in the ark of the covenant, again a other covenant marker. You have taken their placement to mean they should be regarded as universal and this meaning is not supported. You've applied interpretation on the uniqnesses of the 10 that simply are not confirmed in scripture. Indeed they have unique aspects (like on tablets, placed in the ark...) that can show they had high value but it does not support they are universal or that they extend outside the covenant they are created in. The Abrahamic covenant and Circumcision are also very unique but you've assigned higher value to the 10 that to the Abrahamic covenant and have done so arbitrary. Scripture does not support your view of assigning value to use the 10 as something more important.

Once again you are making arguments I never made- all of God's Word is inspired and never said anything to the contrary, so again, introducing new arguments and ones I have not made. In God's inspired word there are different laws that serve different purposes which God Word reveals, if we allow It to.

Then both are inspired, and both are authoritive. Neither are more inspired or more authoritive. So why does it matter that one is on stone by the finger of God and the other is by God passing through cut portions of sacrafices as fire? Why take one to be more special than the other? Use whatever language you want to but in practice one is dropped and the other valued in your perspective. Why is this? Isaiah 8:20 certainly should be seen as including them both but you used it to show favour for one and discriminate all others. Where does this rational come from, because scripture doesn't tell us to do this.
 
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The 10 represents the entire covenant. They are called the "tablets of covenant law" And bound to their covenant
There is no Scripture that says this. The Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant Exo34:28 and no more was added Deut 5:22
. They are placed in the ark of the covenant, again a other covenant marker. You have taken their placement to mean they should be regarded as universal and this meaning is not supported. You've applied interpretation on the uniqnesses of the 10 that simply are not confirmed in scripture. Indeed they have unique aspects (like on tablets, placed in the ark...) that can show they had high value but it does not support they are universal or that they extend outside the covenant they are created in. The Abrahamic covenant and Circumcision are also very unique but you've assigned higher value to the 10 that to the Abrahamic covenant and have done so arbitrary. Scripture does not support your view of assigning value to use the 10 as something more important.



Then both are inspired, and both are authoritive. Neither are more inspired or more authoritive. So why does it matter that one is on stone by the finger of God and the other is by God passing through cut portions of sacrafices as fire? Why take one to be more special than the other? Use whatever language you want to but in practice one is dropped and the other valued in your perspective. Why is this? Isaiah 8:20 certainly should be seen as including them both but you used it to show favour for one and discriminate all others. Where does this rational come from, because scripture doesn't tell us to do this.
Again, making some arguments I never made and we are too far apart in our understanding of God’s Word, but appreciate the discussion and wish you well.
 
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There is no Scripture that says this. The Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant Exo34:28 and no more was added Deut 5:22
Ex 34 details far more than the 10. But if we are to suppose the 10 are the only covenantial commandments (circumcision is also a covenantial) then it has a lot of gaps. I may do everything in the 10 but have no love even for God and miss the whole point. 1 Cor 13 tells us without love we are just like a bunch of noise, yet the commandment to love is missing in the 10. You may say it is implicit but is not that adding? Does it not say "no more was added"

I know SDA include dietary laws and view them as implicit in the 10 although not mentioned which seems like "adding". If implicit how do we know what laws are implicatly ncluded and what are not? So it seems to be this 10 commandment "plus" But I'm unclear of the support for the plus. How is this reconciled in this 10 only "and no more was added" view?

Again, making some arguments I never made and we are too far apart in our understanding of God’s Word, but appreciate the discussion and wish you well.
That's why I'm asking for clarification. What commandments does Isaiah 8:20 include? You've use this to support your view and I'm pushing back on this and asking for clarity on what this verse include or does not include. Should it not include circumcision too?
 
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Ex 34 details far more than the 10. But if we are to suppose the 10 are the only covenantial commandments (circumcision is also a covenantial) then it has a lot of gaps. I may do everything in the 10 but have no love even for God and miss the whole point. 1 Cor 13 tells us without love we are just like a bunch of noise, yet the commandment to love is missing in the 10. You may say it is implicit but is not that adding? Does it not say "no more was added"

I know SDA include dietary laws and view them as implicit in the 10 although not mentioned which seems like "adding". If implicit how do we know what laws are implicatly ncluded and what are not? So it seems to be this 10 commandment "plus" But I'm unclear of the support for the plus. How is this reconciled in this 10 only "and no more was added" view?


That's why I'm asking for clarification. What commandments does Isaiah 8:20 include? You've use this to support your view and I'm pushing back on this and asking for clarity on what this verse include or does not include. Should it not include circumcision too?
I'll stick with what the Text says.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
 
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If the Ten Commandments are the only words in the new covenant, then that's what we focus on

God said that he will put his law in our mind and write it on our heart

So all those in the New Covenant have that law in their mind and heart :heart:
 
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I'll stick with what the Text says.
sure, accept the 10 as the exclusive commandments of the covenant on mt sinani. But there are still other covenant laws with covenant commandments, like circumcision. Do you also accept dietary law, how do you reconcile this as not "adding on"
 
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sure, accept the 10 as the exclusive commandments of the covenant on mt sinani. But there are still other covenant laws with covenant commandments, like circumcision. Do you also accept dietary law, how do you reconcile this as not "adding on"
I believe God at His word, He states what He means. Its what we are told to do Pro 30:5-6 as our own ideas, thoughts, conclusions etc. is not equal to God's word. This is where people go wrong, instead of letting Him direct our path through His written word. Why there is no point in trying to reason. God said, its up to us to believe or not believe Him at His word.

I have already been through these questions some even addressed on this thread so no point in re-answering.

I would like to get back to the topic of this thread.
 
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I believe God at His word, He states what He means. Its what we are told to do Pro 30:5-6 as our own ideas, thoughts, conclusions etc. is not equal to God's word. This is where people go wrong, instead of letting Him direct our path through His written word.

I have already been through these questions some even addressed on this thread so no point in re-answering.

I would like to get back to the topic of this thread.
the issue is one you've brought up about not adding on to the covenant and viewing the covenant as the 10 only. dietary laws are not the only thing, there are plenty of gaps in the 10 commandments that if we keep them all to the letter, there is a great deal of wrong doing we may allow in without violating the 10. the 10 do not work as a complete guide to living, they are a polemtic to surrounding cultures and a type of calibration for Israel; it's point is to emphasize monotheistic practices, de-paganize, and a conduct of living that was counter-cultural of the day as well as used to foreshadow his redemptive plan. It, however, is missing a great deal if we are looking only at the the 10, to start, we miss all the prophetic applications of the rest of law.

denial of this doesn't make it go away. Jesus himself asks what is the greatest and he does not quote from the 10. clinging to "finger of God" and "placed in the ark" are not good enough to establish the 10 as you have to this odd level of reverence and what appears to be arbitrarily including or rejecting other commandments then pretending this isn't a problem and you don't need to explain yourself or refusing to talk about it, accusing me of making things up. I'm trying to have a meaningful conversation and you keep avoiding everything I ask, it goes from being disrespectful to accusing me of corrupting God's word to denial of everything and refusing to speak. If you don't want to answer that's fine, but it tends to have an effect like you're hiding something, not being honest with yourself or able to answer the question or a "because I said so" sentiment. How you represent yourself is on you, but I will be candid and say it is frustrating to have a meaningful conversation.
 
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