Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

[DamianWarS]

If you mean God separating the Ten Commandments from all other laws, Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and then adding no more Deut 5:22 as I stated previously that will have to be taken up with Him.

The 10 represents the entire covenant. They are called the "tablets of covenant law" And bound to their covenant. They are placed in the ark of the covenant, again a other covenant marker. You have taken their placement to mean they should be regarded as universal and this meaning is not supported. You've applied interpretation on the uniqnesses of the 10 that simply are not confirmed in scripture. Indeed they have unique aspects (like on tablets, placed in the ark...) that can show they had high value but it does not support they are universal or that they extend outside the covenant they are created in. The Abrahamic covenant and Circumcision are also very unique but you've assigned higher value to the 10 that to the Abrahamic covenant and have done so arbitrary. Scripture does not support your view of assigning value to use the 10 as something more important.

Once again you are making arguments I never made- all of God's Word is inspired and never said anything to the contrary, so again, introducing new arguments and ones I have not made. In God's inspired word there are different laws that serve different purposes which God Word reveals, if we allow It to.

Then both are inspired, and both are authoritive. Neither are more inspired or more authoritive. So why does it matter that one is on stone by the finger of God and the other is by God passing through cut portions of sacrafices as fire? Why take one to be more special than the other? Use whatever language you want to but in practice one is dropped and the other valued in your perspective. Why is this? Isaiah 8:20 certainly should be seen as including them both but you used it to show favour for one and discriminate all others. Where does this rational come from, because scripture doesn't tell us to do this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The 10 represents the entire covenant. They are called the "tablets of covenant law" And bound to their covenant

There is no Scripture that says this. The Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant Exo34:28 and no more was added Deut 5:22. In addition, Moses wrote the law of Moses that was placed besides the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 they are not the same laws, serve different purposes, that the Bible reveals. The Ten Commandments may have been codified at Mt Sinai but started long before as God revealed right in the Ten Exo 20:11

. They are placed in the ark of the covenant, again a other covenant marker. You have taken their placement to mean they should be regarded as universal and this meaning is not supported. You've applied interpretation on the uniqnesses of the 10 that simply are not confirmed in scripture. Indeed they have unique aspects (like on tablets, placed in the ark...) that can show they had high value but it does not support they are universal or that they extend outside the covenant they are created in. The Abrahamic covenant and Circumcision are also very unique but you've assigned higher value to the 10 that to the Abrahamic covenant and have done so arbitrary. Scripture does not support your view of assigning value to use the 10 as something more important.



Then both are inspired, and both are authoritive. Neither are more inspired or more authoritive. So why does it matter that one is on stone by the finger of God and the other is by God passing through cut portions of sacrafices as fire? Why take one to be more special than the other? Use whatever language you want to but in practice one is dropped and the other valued in your perspective. Why is this? Isaiah 8:20 certainly should be seen as including them both but you used it to show favour for one and discriminate all others. Where does this rational come from, because scripture doesn't tell us to do this.

Again, making some arguments I never made and we are too far apart in our understanding of God’s Word, but appreciate the discussion and wish you well.

 

[DamianWarS]

There is no Scripture that says this. The Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant Exo34:28 and no more was added Deut 5:22

Ex 34 details far more than the 10. But if we are to suppose the 10 are the only covenantial commandments (circumcision is also a covenantial) then it has a lot of gaps. I may do everything in the 10 but have no love even for God and miss the whole point. 1 Cor 13 tells us without love we are just like a bunch of noise, yet the commandment to love is missing in the 10. You may say it is implicit but is not that adding? Does it not say "no more was added"

I know SDA include dietary laws and view them as implicit in the 10 although not mentioned which seems like "adding". If implicit how do we know what laws are implicatly ncluded and what are not? So it seems to be this 10 commandment "plus" But I'm unclear of the support for the plus. How is this reconciled in this 10 only "and no more was added" view?

Again, making some arguments I never made and we are too far apart in our understanding of God’s Word, but appreciate the discussion and wish you well.

That's why I'm asking for clarification. What commandments does Isaiah 8:20 include? You've use this to support your view and I'm pushing back on this and asking for clarity on what this verse include or does not include. Should it not include circumcision too?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ex 34 details far more than the 10. But if we are to suppose the 10 are the only covenantial commandments (circumcision is also a covenantial) then it has a lot of gaps. I may do everything in the 10 but have no love even for God and miss the whole point. 1 Cor 13 tells us without love we are just like a bunch of noise, yet the commandment to love is missing in the 10. You may say it is implicit but is not that adding? Does it not say "no more was added"

I know SDA include dietary laws and view them as implicit in the 10 although not mentioned which seems like "adding". If implicit how do we know what laws are implicatly ncluded and what are not? So it seems to be this 10 commandment "plus" But I'm unclear of the support for the plus. How is this reconciled in this 10 only "and no more was added" view?


That's why I'm asking for clarification. What commandments does Isaiah 8:20 include? You've use this to support your view and I'm pushing back on this and asking for clarity on what this verse include or does not include. Should it not include circumcision too?

I'll stick with what the Text says.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

 

[Leaf473]

If the Ten Commandments are the only words in the new covenant, then that's what we focus on

God said that he will put his law in our mind and write it on our heart

So all those in the New Covenant have that law in their mind and heart

 

[DamianWarS]

I'll stick with what the Text says.

sure, accept the 10 as the exclusive commandments of the covenant on mt sinani. But there are still other covenant laws with covenant commandments, like circumcision. Do you also accept dietary law, how do you reconcile this as not "adding on"

 

[DamianWarS]

I believe God at His word, He states what He means. Its what we are told to do Pro 30:5-6 as our own ideas, thoughts, conclusions etc. is not equal to God's word. This is where people go wrong, instead of letting Him direct our path through His written word.

I have already been through these questions some even addressed on this thread so no point in re-answering.

I would like to get back to the topic of this thread.

the issue is one you've brought up about not adding on to the covenant and viewing the covenant as the 10 only. dietary laws are not the only thing, there are plenty of gaps in the 10 commandments that if we keep them all to the letter, there is a great deal of wrong doing we may allow in without violating the 10. the 10 do not work as a complete guide to living, they are a polemtic to surrounding cultures and a type of calibration for Israel; it's point is to emphasize monotheistic practices, de-paganize, and a conduct of living that was counter-cultural of the day as well as used to foreshadow his redemptive plan. It, however, is missing a great deal if we are looking only at the the 10, to start, we miss all the prophetic applications of the rest of law.

denial of this doesn't make it go away. Jesus himself asks what is the greatest and he does not quote from the 10. clinging to "finger of God" and "placed in the ark" are not good enough to establish the 10 as you have to this odd level of reverence and what appears to be arbitrarily including or rejecting other commandments then pretending this isn't a problem and you don't need to explain yourself or refusing to talk about it, accusing me of making things up. I'm trying to have a meaningful conversation and you keep avoiding everything I ask, it goes from being disrespectful to accusing me of corrupting God's word to denial of everything and refusing to speak. If you don't want to answer that's fine, but it tends to have an effect like you're hiding something, not being honest with yourself or able to answer the question or a "because I said so" sentiment. How you represent yourself is on you, but I will be candid and say it is frustrating to have a meaningful conversation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

not being honest with yourself or able to answer the question or a "because I said so" sentiment.

What you are accusing me of, is exactly what you have been doing. I have at every turn, pointed back to what the Scriptures say. I do not want you to believe me, I want people to believe God, because He says so. Yet, at every turn, you have wanted me to believe your ideology despite no Scripture evidence so basically to take your word, even when God Himself said otherwise in His own Testimony. Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Deut 5:22. There is too much conjecture to respond to the rest of your post. I think its best we both move on but wish you well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am asking we get back to the topic- Is God’s Ten Commandments including the Sabbath commandment a moral commandment. Can we pluck out one of the Ten Commandments that God Himself said is doing just and righteousness Isa 56:1-2 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142 and the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14. Do we have the right to deem something that God placed in a unit of Ten and reduce it to 9 based on what we feel is right or wrong when its something God Himself blessed and sanctified and wrote it with His own finger. God placed the unit of Ten under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon. James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 God said profaning the Sabbath is doing evil Neh 13:17 Isa 56:2 because who is it we are really profaning Eze 22:26 It seems like a moral issue to me. Did God have the foresight to say Remember because He knew everyone would forget His forgotten commandment, the one commandment that points us to the God of Creation. Exo 20:11

 

[Dan Perez]

I really like this video, they break down 5 reasons why the Sabbath is a moral commandment .

After watching the video let me know if you have any comments. This is not a video of just commentary, it is packed with Scripture.

Why the Sabbath , should read Col. 2:16. !!

dan p

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why the Sabbath , should read Col. 2:16. !!

dan p

My suggestion would be to prayerfully read more context and try not to make Paul contradict the Testimony of God, which He promised not to alter His covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle. Mat5:18-19 Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant, to make a change Jesus would have to die again and His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10


Here is more context….hopefully you will consider.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about

1. handwritten
2. ordinances
3. against and contrary to us

1. Was the Sabbath commandment "handwritten" ?

Lets look at what the Bible says
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Context doesn't fit- the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath commandment was written by the finger of God not written by hand or handwritten,

2. ordinances

Lets look at the Testimony of God
Right in the Ten Commandments God wrote this about the Ten Commandments:
Exo 20:6 Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Context doesn't fit

3. Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Context doesn't fit

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and theburnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There is so much more evidence I could provide like comparing what Jesus said which in using Col 2:14-16 against the Sabbath commandment contradicts His teachings. Hopefully this will be looked at in prayer as I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23

 

[Hentenza]

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul

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None of these worship on Saturday or teach the Saturday sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its what makes it worse, they know the Truth, yet choose to do something different

Why Jesus said about this teaching of traditions over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments

Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men


Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found: Not in the New Testament – absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.
—Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the ‘Baptist Manual’.

To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false [Jewish traditional] glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during the forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instructing those founded, discuss or approach the subject.

Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism.
—Dr. E. T. Hiscox, report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention, in 'New York Examiner,' November 16, 1893

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first. The early Christians began to worship on the first day of the week because Jesus rose from the dead on that day. By and by, this day of worship was made also a day of rest, a legal holiday. This took place in the year 321.

The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first... Our Christian Sabbath, therefore, is not a matter of positive command. It is a gift of the church...
—CLOVIS G. CHAPPELL, Ten Rules for Living, page 61.

Sabbath in the Hebrew language signifies rest, and is the seventh day of the week... and it must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day.
—Charles Buck, A Theological Dictionary, Sabbath

The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath.
—Dwight's Theology, Vol. 14, p. 401.

God instituted the Sabbath at the creation of man, setting apart the seventh day for the purpose, and imposed its observance as a universal and perpetual moral obligation upon the race.
—American Presbyterian Board of Publication, Tract No. 175.

The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue-the Ten Commandments. This alone for ever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution ... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand...The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath.
—T.C. BLAKE, D.D., Theology Condensed, pages 474, 475.

The observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.

They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments.
—Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par. 9.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

They [Roman Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord's day, as it seemeth, to the Decalogue [the ten commandments]; and they have no example more in their mouths than they change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church's power to be very great, because it hath dispensed with the precept of the Decalogue.
—The Augsburg Confession, 1530 A.D. (Lutheran), part 2, art 7, in Philip Schaff, the Creeds of Christiandom, 4th Edition, vol 3, p64 [this important statement was made by the Lutherans and written by Melanchthon, only thirteen years after Luther nailed his theses to the door and began the Reformation].

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?
—D.L. MOODY, Weighed and Wanting, page 47.

 

[Hentenza]

Its what makes it worse, they know the Truth, yet choose to do something different

Why Jesus said about this teaching of traditions over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments

Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men


Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Typical sect emotional fallacy. Tell me, did Abraham keep the sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Typical sect emotional fallacy. Tell me, did Abraham keep the sabbath?

God identified His commandments and claimed them as a unit of Ten as His Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mar 2:27

Yes, Abraham kept the Sabbath.

Gen 26: 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

God’s people do the same

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Hentenza]

God identified His commandments and claimed them as a unit of Ten as His Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mar 2:27

Yes, Abraham kept the Sabbath.

Gen 26: 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Not the Mosaic law which is the FIRST time that the 10 commandments were given. The tablets of stone were not given before that. So what commandments, statutes, and laws did Abraham keep? Abraham had the covenant of circumcision.

God’s people do the same

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

We’ve discussed this verse hundreds of times now and still does not help your case. Jesus is God, the commandments are those of Jesus not those of the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not the Mosaic law which is the FIRST time that the 10 commandments were given. The tablets of stone were not given before that. So what commandments, statutes, and laws did Abraham keep? Abraham had the covenant of circumcision.

Not according to God Exo20:11. When the God of the Universe tells us something, all we need to do is believe. It’s what faith is all about. God told us His commandments- He literally wrote them out. Exo 31:18 Do we really know better than He, what are His commandments Deut 4:13 know better than He when they existed Exo 20:11 and know better than He Whose commandments they are Exo 20:6, never called the commandments of Moses and have nothing to do with our relationship with Moses, but have everything to do with our relationship to God,

We’ve discussed this verse hundreds of times now and still does not help your case. Jesus is God, the commandments are those of Jesus not those of the law.

According to Jesus the commandments of God are the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. He would know since Jesus is God. The same ones Jesus revealed through John are in the Temple of God in heaven Rev 11:19 Rev 15:5 because it is God’s standard of Judgement John 12:48 Exo 31:18 Exo20:1 James 2:11-12 Rev22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev11:18-19 why they are under God’s mercy seat Exo25:21 and He tells us who He shows mercy to Exo20:6

Guess it will get sorted out at His soon return.

Take care

 

[Hentenza]

Not according to God Exo20:11. When the God of the Universe tells us something, all we need to do is believe. It’s what faith is all about. God told us His commandments- He literally wrote them out. Exo 31:18 If one thinks they know better than He, what are His commandments and knows better than He when they existed Exo 20:11 and knows better than He Whose commandments they are Exo 20:6, never called the commandments of Moses and have nothing to do with our relationship with Moses, but have everything to do with our relationship to God, well that has nothing to do with me.

All you have is scripture that relates to the Mosaic laws which had not been given to Abraham. The Ten Commandments and the laws were given to Israel 430 years after Abraham. Again, find a verse that states that Abraham kept the Jewish sabbath.

According to Jesus the commandments of God are the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. He would know since Jesus is God .

Minus the 4th commandment. All other commandments are summarized in Jesus two love commandments. Again, find a verse post crucifixion that teaches that the Christian is required to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All you have is scripture that relates to the Mosaic laws which had not been given to Abraham. The Ten Commandments and the laws were given to Israel 430 years after Abraham. Again, find a verse that states that Abraham kept the Jewish sabbath.

Minus the 4th commandment. All other commandments are summarized in Jesus two love commandments. Again, find a verse post crucifixion that teaches that the Christian is required to keep the 4th commandment.

So just forget everything God said Exo 20:11 and do the opposite. Exo 20:8-11. Remember means forget and man can take away God’s blessing and sanctification. Man can sanctify themselves and a day when God tells us how this is going to work out Isa 66:17 Eze22:26


Like Joshua said, its all about choices

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 we will either have true worship Rev 14:12 or false worship Mark7:7-8 Mat 15:3-14. What the controversy is all about. Where is our loyalty which is revealed through our actions. Eze 20:20 Eze20:12 this is the God we are called to worship Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth and the only God who has the power to sanctify a day Gen 2:3 and us, Eze 20:12 both connected to God’s Sabbath, which is His seal.

 

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So just forget everything God said Exo 20:11 and do the opposite. Exo 20:8-11. Remember means forget and man can take away God’s blessing and sanctification. Man can sanctify themselves and a day when God tells us how this is going to work out Isa 66:17 Eze22:26

All here told to Israel. Again, provide a verse that says that Abraham kept the sabbath.

Like Joshua said, its all about choices

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 we will either have true worship Rev 14:12 or false worship Mark7:7-8 Mat 15:3-14. What the controversy is all about. Where is our loyalty which is revealed through our actions. Eze 20:20 Eze20:12 this is the God we are called to worship Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth and the only God who has the power to sanctify a day Gen 2:3 and us, Eze 20:12 both connected to God’s Sabbath, which is His seal.

Unresponsive and irrelevant. All has been addressed many times before.